Here follow some the posts I wrote to TriLite and other Lists.
... Have fun and Enjoy ...
! WOW - All I can say is that I sure wrote a lot of posts - WOW !
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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 16:10:18 -0800
To: gerardus@otvcablelan.net
From: Gerardus
Subject: Gerardian Karma...
Karma AnyOne?
Bodies are instruments or tools, by means of which, we as Souls are able to
experience a matter creation. All in all, we as Souls or as duplicates of
the One, are the creators and or/witnesses of a play or performance in
matter, showing us, "what" Spiritual Beings do and experience when living in
matter. They have this experience in order to experience living in matter.
They do not live in matter, in order to determine, what is right or wrong,
and what is karmatic or not...
These Souls experience that they are influenced by the body and/or body
mind, as well as that they discover that their brains are controlled by STS
Alien Beings beyond their will sometimes. This only means that they are
subjected to the human condition. This is what being human is all about in
this Grand Illusion...
What is experienced is different for each Soul and/or Body, and the
performance in which they play these roles, gives them different varieties
of expressions and experiences. When the game is over they all go back into
the same box called God or 7D. With all this, I am trying to say that while
we are engaged with our roles in the matter world, there really is no right
or wrong way to play the game...
However, if one or two, or five billion players, think/believe/feel/intuit
there is a right and wrong, they think/believe/feel/intuit that they have to
go back into the play and experience this play from the opposite side. This
is a personal belief or feeling which might become, or already is, an
accepted reality by the masses of humanity...
I am in the process of "re-thinking" this entire belief system of right and
wrong, taken in consideration that I am a duplicate of the One in a almost
infinitely small version. However, it just might be possible to pierce the
veil of illusion from this infinitely small viewpoint and see Karma as an
individual belief system, based on body brain and not on Soul or God...
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:07:33 -0800
From: Gerardus
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:07:33 -0800
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Subject: Re: [cass] Re: Questions: The Wave & The Harvest
Hi Rickard...
I have responded to this posts again, but it is possible that you and I say
the same thing. It's different enough though that it sometimes seems to me
that you say something different or do not answer my questions.
So here she goes:
Gerardus wrote:
I realize that I am dancing on both sides of the Karma-Line. Makes
for good thinking and learning I feel. I also had another thought in
conjunction with the No Karma System. As you know we are influenced
by the Predator's Mind and a person like Hitler, as the Cs said, was
completely controlled by the STS Predator's Mind.
Rickard here:
Because he let it control him. If he was deceived to let this happen,
or if he did this consciously (unlikely) doesn't really matter.
Gerardus here:
Indeed being deceived or not consciously knowing what's happening is the
same thing. What I am trying to say is: because of the control over Hitler
and the control over other world leaders, the world experienced a variety of
happenings. This is the manner by which world happenings come about and the
STS Aliens are responsible for this. It's their job to create world
happenings...
So, this is meant to be so! Hitler therefore is "used" or plays his role on
the stage of the world. I do not blame him, nor his Soul for anything that
happened to the world of the millions that were killed. In one way or
another - the world of mankind needs its negative experiences and the STS
Aliens bring this about. I see this as the normal workings of the
world/universe and I neither blame Hitler, nor any other world leader, nor
the STS Aliens for the misery mankind experiened. The world and mankind are
engaged in a play or performance. This performance creates our experiences.
And all experiences are positive in my view...
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Gerardus here:
Let's assume that this indeed was so - where
does that leave the Hitler Soul? Is it responsible when it is
completely taken over?
Rickard here:
Again: there are lessons to be learned.
Until you've learned them, you repeat them.
Gerardus here:
Yes, I already knew this.
But what you say does not answer my question.
My point is:
The world is a stage and somehow certain actors upon that stage need to
implement a Play or Performance. I do not think that it is just to blame
any actor for playing his or her part. IOW: the actors are without blame.
All they do is play their part. They are deceived or unconsciously
controlled by 4D forces that are able to travel time and set things up
according to their liking. The masses of mankind are sitting ducks!
What I say here is that we need to see through this world-action and
understand how it comes about. That to me is the lesson! And if one does
not learn it - one will subjected to the same scenario again. By seeing
through this - one's Soul becomes more aware and takes the possibilities of
unconscious control as a possibility...
Knowledge protects like the cassies say - Gerardus
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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 19:56:08 -0800
To: cassiopaea@yahoogroups.com
From: Gerardus
Subject: [cass] The Nature of our Reality...
Hi Group...
I was reading Wave13j.htm last night
and I ran into the following question:
What is the nature of this reality? Meaning our reality.
Here is what I noted down last night.
Question:
What is the Nature of our Reality?
Answer:
We can never explain the true Nature of our Reality!
Because we Are this Reality! Isness cannot be explained only experienced!
Then:
We can only speak about the true Nature of our Dream.
Our Dream is our Creation and our Creation is an expression of our Reality.
This means that we are able to know ourselves by our Creation.
We ARE what we create!
I hope you don't take all this too seriously.
I was just musing on the first Question last night - Gerardus
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:52:33 -0800
To: gerardus@otvcablelan.net
From: Gerardus
Subject: Creating Our Own Reality...
Gerardus here:
Creating our own reality in 3D is a matter of awareness.
An incarnated 6D being could create anything it wants in 3D. Point is, why
would it want to? It's kid stuff to them! In all ways, all things are
relative and the actuality of our 3d world is an example of a reality
created by a massive amount of Entities, high and low, who in turn and
collectively create what happens here. On top of all this, there might be
Lizzies and/or Greys who also have their say so...
One thing to me is for sure, that "wherever" you put your attention - THAT
- is the reality that is re-enforced or created. IOW: The Cs and everyone
reading the sessions are re-enforcing what the sessions say. This is as
much a trap as any other. Once one get used to this trap, well, one thinks,
feels and experiences what the trap contains. No doubt some traps contain
more truth than others, but a trap is still a trap. If we are Duplicates of
the One - no other force can truly touch us or do anything to us. To know
that this is so, to the utmost limit, is true protection. Knowing that we
are the Truth for example is a good start. To come to that point - well -
that is what 3D might be for in the first place. Know ThouSelf...
Life is what you believe it to be - Gerardus
(Saying is from Yada)
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:48:43 -0800
To: 4d-sto-c@yahoogroups.com
From: Gerardus
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:48:43 -0800
Subject: [4D-STO-C] Psychic Surgery...
Gerardus here:
For as much as 40 years I have always has a loose bowel. It's easy to keep
my weight down therefore, but on the other hand it is quite embarrassing.
Most of my trouble is caused by the 'emotionality' of my body and also
the harder I work - the more it acts up. So, many years ago, I believe
it was 1978, I had read about psychic surgery and I figured, what have I
got to lose. I found a group of Canadians who went to the Philippines for
psychic surgery and I joined them.
I had two purposes:
1) I wanted to see this phenomena first hand - which is always better than
reading about it naturally.
2) Maybe I could find some help there with my problem. (The ordinary
doctors I had visited again and again had no solutions)
To the Philippines...
We arrived in Bagio City after two days of air travel and the next day
about 300 people were scheduled for psychic surgery. An enormous amount
naturally and the entire show was a spectacle. There were people there from
all over the world including the USA, Japan, Europe and other places.
The surgery was done by a group of four people who worked independently by
means of going into trance and letting other Spirits work through them.
This is the way I know it to be now, but at the time I was not sure at all
what was going on. They did mighty funny things I figured. Often I thought
that we were hypnotized en mass. Some doctors/surgeons meditated or prayed
before they went into trance.
The 'work' on the entire group of 300 people took about three to four
hours. The surgery was done in a very small room that looked like a garage
and the flies and dust were flying in and out of the room for the windows
were open. It was warm there. There were four cots in this room and one by
one we would lay down on these cots and the 'doctor' would open the body
with moving his hands right in there and took out several pieces of fleshy
material that presumably was the cause of the trouble for most of us.
I remember that it took a lot of guts to lay down on these cots and I
prayed the night before, even in the morning maybe. I forgot...
No pain or any other sensation was noticed by me. A little blood showed up
for some of us. Since we more or less had to wait in the room where this
surgery spectacle was happening we had a full view of what was going on. We
also took pictures! We were assisted by our Group Leaders who had been
there several times before with other groups of people. No money was
involved for the surgery but they asked for donations. I forgot what I gave
them. Maybe 200 dollars or so. Which was peanuts for eight to nine visits
or operations...
Indeed it was the most unbelievable spectacle I had ever seen and it
literally blew my mind. My western mind was shaken to its foundations and
on the second or third day it caved in. Yes, we had healings as we called
them, many days in a row. In any case, I definitely was so upset and
undone that I needed time to myself to recuperate from this sight.
On one of these night I awoke and my chest area was hot inside, if not
burning. Not sure what happened then but I think my Heart Chakra opened up.
It was pretty scary! Since I was half asleep I did not give a hoot...
I remember speaking to others of our group and compared notes. None of us
knew what really went on. Simple thing was that these surgeons could
operate on us as if we were just flexible energy of some kind. Which we
naturally just are. Clouds of Energy or Light!
One nurse was there and she passed out looking at herself in a mirror that
was placed on the ceiling. She could see her insides and it hit her! Out
cold!! A medical doctor was called in and he massaged the heart area and
she woke up again. White as a sheet! We figured she had had it...
Patient after patient would lay down and was worked on. The entire show
for each of us took about 3 to 4 minutes. Some had their legs operated on
others their head, many in their stomachs, eyes, lungs and what have you.
There were all kinds of people and many were quite desperate for they were
dying. Some were partially healed. Others were not...
The body flesh just opened up like is was a cloud or mist. (Which it is
naturally) There were three gentlemen doctors and one lady doctor. One of
the younger gentlemen was the lady's son. The lady operated on me most of
the time. She usually looked the other way while her hands were doing
things in my body. Weird!! All of them were beautiful Souls naturally -
but at that time I knew next to nothing about Souls let alone about
beautiful ones. During the operations the younger son would sing spiritual
songs and his voice was out of this realm altogether. Most beautiful and
chilling!! For hours we were in different worlds...
In any case, I was there for about ten days and on at least eight days we
had healings. One day they cleaned my eyes. When that happens your eye
balls float about two inches above your head. This psychic surgery
experience was the most spiritual experience I ever had or witnessed and
there is no way that I can convey the feelings and thoughts that went
through my western closed mind. It broke like an eggshell under a ton of
pressure - wow! I must have seen at least twenty five operations at close
range. They are real - but what is real?
In the daytime we sat in the sun, had community meetings, lectures and
stories and we sang songs. Yes, there also was a chaplain of some kind, who
was there to help anyone who needed it. I never went to see him
specifically for I needed more than just one of them I figured...
Now - to sum it all up - I cannot say that I was physically healed, but no
doubt it was the most unbelievable miraculous experience I had ever had or
had heard of. Incredible!! I feel that this was the beginning of a
westerner (me) opening up to the impossible. It changed my life more than
anything else!! I came away a changed man and have been nuts ever since!
(Family talk see)
By means of pacing myself I have finally learned to be a bit easier on my
body and am able to gain weight when I want to and at the moment, I feel a
lot healthier than I was thirty or twenty years ago. My trouble is that I
have always been too purpose conscious, and somehow I cannot stop myself
from doing something I feel to be useful. Vanity maybe?
There are books about Psychic Surgery in the New Age Book Stores. I read
many of them after I came back home from the Philippines. The reality of
Psychic Surgery blew my mind and nothing in the physical world has been real
like it used to be before. It's all Illusion...
For a complete report see THIS...
~ Gerardus
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February 2001
Hi R-C...
I have responded to this posts again, but it is possible that you and I say
the same thing. It's different enough though that it sometimes seems to me
that you say something different or do not answer my questions.
So here she goes:
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Gerardus wrote:
I realize that I am dancing on both sides of the Karma-Line. Makes
for good thinking and learning I feel. I also had another thought in
conjunction with the No Karma System. As you know we are influenced
by the Predator's Mind and a person like Hitler, as the Cs said, was
completely controlled by the STS Predator's Mind.
R-C here:
Because he let it control him. If he was deceived to let this happen,
or if he did this consciously (unlikely) doesn't really matter.
Gerardus here:
Indeed being deceived or not consciously knowing what's happening is the
same thing. What I am trying to say is: because of the control over Hitler
and the control over other world leaders, the world experienced a variety of
happenings. This is the manner by which world happenings come about and the
STS Aliens are responsible for this. It's their job to create world
happenings...
So, this is meant to be so!
Hitler therefore is "used" or plays his role on
the stage of the world. I do not blame him, nor his Soul for anything that
happened to the world or the millions that were killed. In one way or
another - the world of mankind needs its negative experiences and the STS
Aliens bring this about. I see this as the normal workings of the
world/universe and I neither blame Hitler, nor any other world leader, nor
the STS Aliens for the misery mankind experienced. The world and mankind are
engaged in a play or performance. This play creates our experiences.
And all experiences are positive in my view...
--------------------
Gerardus here:
>>Let's assume that this indeed was so - where
>>does that leave the Hitler Soul? Is it responsible when it is
>>completely taken over?
R-C here:
>Again: there are lessons to be learned.
>Until you've learned them, you repeat them.
Gerardus here:
Yes, I already knew this.
But what you say does not answer my question.
My point is:
The world is a stage and somehow certain actors upon that stage need to
implement a Play or Performance. I do not think that it is right to blame
any actor for playing his or her part. IOW: the actors are without blame.
All they do is play their part. They are deceived or unconsciously
controlled by 4D forces that are able to travel time and set things up
according to their liking. The masses of mankind are sitting ducks!
What I say here is that we need to see through this world-action and
understand how it comes about. That to me is the lesson! And if one does
not learn it - one will subjected to the same scenario again. By seeing
through this - one's Soul becomes more aware and takes the possibilities
of unconscious control as a possibility...
Knowledge protects like the cassies say - Gerardus
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February 2001
Hi Group...
I was reading Wave13j.htm last night and I ran into the following question:
What is the nature of this reality? Meaning our reality.
Here is what I noted down last night...
Question:
What is the Nature of our Reality?
Answer:
We can never explain the true Nature of our Reality!
Because we Are this Reality! Isness cannot be explained only experienced!
Then:
We can only speak about the true Nature of our Dream.
Our Dream is our Creation and our Creation is an expression of our Reality.
This means that we are able to know ourselves by our Creation.
We ARE what we create!
I hope you don't take all this too seriously.
I was just musing on the first Question last night - Gerardus
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February 2001
The Boiling Water Pot...
Imagine an enormous big glass pot full of water on a stove. Turn on the
stove and the water will boil. When the water boils watch the bubbles rise
to the top and disappear into the air. Now, the Air is Consciousness and the
Water is Creation. We are the Bubbles rising from the bottom of Creation to
the Top - all the way through 1D 2D 3D 4D 5D 6D and 7D. Once at the
top of the water we become Air/Consciousness again and are absorbed by
the water to rise once again. Naturally this is a very simple Grand Cycle but
it works. Do you see that tiny bubble, just below the middle of the pot,
rising to the top? That's Mankind...
In a small way, the big bang IS the "idea of the boiling water pot". It
repeats its process infinitely as long as you keep the air and the water
in a closed system. The universe is a closed system for it is only one mind
infinitely changing...
Simply bubbling - Gerardus
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February 2001
Gerardus here:
Creating our own reality in 3D is a matter of awareness.
An incarnated 6D being could create anything it wants in 3D. Point is, why
would it want to? It's kid stuff to them! In all ways, all things are
relative and the actuality of our 3d world is an example of a reality
created by a massive amount of Entities, high and low, who in turn and
collectively create what happens here. On top of all this, there might be
Lizzies and/or Greys who also have their say so...
One thing to me is for sure, that "wherever" you put your attention - THAT
- is the reality that is re-enforced or created. IOW: the Cs and everyone
reading the sessions are re-enforcing what the sessions say. This is as
much a trap as any other. Once one get used to this trap, well, one thinks,
feels and experiences what the trap contains. No doubt some traps contain
more truth than others, but a trap is still a trap. If we are Duplicates of
the One - no other force can truly touch us or do anything to us.
To know that this is so, to the utmost limit, is true protection. Knowing that
we are the Truth for example is a good start. To come to that point - well -
that is what 3D might be for in the first place. Know ThouSelf...
Life is what you believe it to be - Gerardus
( Saying is from Yada )
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March 2001
>Hi Gerardus,
>Just read S-4's post, I am becoming more aware of the neg energies,
certain places that I drive by seem to trigger that recognition.. I do not
'see' with my outer eyes, but an inner knowing, manifests as wariness,
anger.. if my attention is not turned on, it follows me home. My question
to you, S-4, and any group members, how do I construct a protection wall
to keep this out, are personal shields the same as say protection around
your property.
>Something odd is going on, actually this interference is coming from more
than one direction. Comments, suggestions, web sites are appreciated.
>
>Thanks, S-4
Hi S-4...
Good point!
I feel that Knowledge is Protection!!
This is reached by experience. This also means that we need to experience
certain teachings as false. Life is the Teacher! In the mean time, many of
us still will have to go through some of these Teachings and learn from
them...
In actuality, I see nothing as either false or true, for in the end, all
things are only stories. We have been hoodwinked by some of these stories
and they keep hanging around in our belief system and our experiences are
created by these. Possibly by believing absolutely nothing - we will not
be creating anything anymore and shoot right back to the Plane of Bliss and
know that we are the Truth in the first place and that all stories are only
ingredients to consume, digest and expel...
Wiping is not necessary - Gerardus
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:48:43 -0700
To: gerardus@otvcablelan.net
From: Gerardus
Subject: Who Am I - Gerardus
Gerardus here:
From what Laura writes and from many other teachings I have concluded that
the human personality is not just one being or entity. It could be a
"collection of energies" and this is demonstrated by Multiple-Personality
cases. I feel that I have different moods, and or resources, to draw from
so to speak. Some joke a lot, some worry, some are serious, some are
restless, some are nervous...
The older I become for example, the more anxious or insecure I become. This
does not mean that I'm shaking all the time or have the quivers. No, but I
do have a different "feel" about, and of, myself than when I was 25 or 35
or 45 or even 55 or 65. It creeps up on old guys maybe. Why? Getting
older for example is not what I thought it would be! I thought that one
would be the same guy and just do less. Not so!
There are emotional and
mental changes that not necessarily makes one feel older - one IS older.
Not only that - I have thought it over and I cannot find a thing positive
about it. Does that mean that recognizing reality is negative? I do not
think so. All I can say is - it is an experience. Not necessarily a nice
one...
So these "Mood Changes" of myself and of others - where do they come from?
I do not think that these characteristics find their source in the meat
Gerardus is - could they be attachments in the form of Guides, Helpers and
Hinderers? Do we live life alone? I would say certainly not!
The dominant personality however might be my own. Whoever he is - is a riddle
in the first place. It is Genes? DNA? Or the type of food I eat? Are my
emotions caused by chemicals in the brain? So, to conclude - I have many
Guardian Angels, Demons, Emotions and Feelings that make up what Gerardus
thinks he is...
I am a multi-dimensional and multi-personal GodBeing - Gerardus
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:49:43 -0700
To: gerardus@otvcablelan.net
From: Gerardus
Subject: The Big Bang and More...
Hi Jennifer...
Life is what we focus upon!
So if there are scientists who are focussing on a Big Bang and or Splat -
They will find it!! They will find it - for it is their creation...
In the mean time, the universe or life is neither this nor that - it is
everything! Whatever we find it to be - is what we have created of it!
About the article:
I have read some of the theory about and of before the Big Bang.
The universe as known by the Sciences is a happening limited to Time and
Space. I do not think that they have concluded yet that Time and Space is a
certain condition of an illusionary reality we find ourselves in. IOW: what
I am saying is, that there really is no time and space, except in our dream
we call Human Life - it is a Dream or a Dance in Consciousness. Our
Consciousness. Time and Space and the physical universe are only real when
you look at it by means of a human body. The body is a lens - drop the lens
and Time and Space disappears...
About this illusionary reality:
Physical reality is a "Reality of Mind" in a certain form. IOW: the energy
we call mind FORMS the actitivity and or objects that appears to look like
the physical universe, when we live in a human body and focus upon it. It's
a self-created illusion with the help of the body - the lens. It's an
illusion...
The physical reality is a form of mind, and what we call it, and how we
experience it however, does not change what it is - Mind in Form. It is a
construction in Consciousness - which is Mind. Mind is timeless and
spaceless! However, physical reality is real - for we experience this
Dream as Real. A Real Illusion!
So, was there a Big Bang, after a big Splat? And are there other universes
out of which others have developed? Yes, there are other universes - but
they are also only Mind in certain forms. Well, the big bang and all
"splats" are only a theory and are nothing but speculation. It's not
something we can go to and witness and say - I've seen it and it was an
actually happening. It is a speculation...
Here is my speculation:
The only big bang that ever happens is a personal one, and at that
LightBulb Moment we understand that we are dreaming. Dreaming creation as
we experience it. To awaken from this dream, is the personal big bang, all
of us sooner or later will have it. It's a thing or happening in the Head...
The universe is a timeless and spaceless phenomena that under certain
conditions and with a certain body can be experienced as something
physical. How physical is it? Not much physicality there at all when we
take into consideration the emptiness between atoms. The same scientists
say that the spaces between atoms and electrons are so great that an atom
is 99.9999% emptiness. What happened to our solidness as we experience it??
Solidness or solidity, as well as Time and Space, as well as Big Bangs and
Splats are part and parcel of an illusion we are subjected to - the
Physical Dream. We created it, then went to live in it and find that it is
real. A real Illusion...
We have come here to experience this dream and it fools us. We say that the
reality we live in is real, this is so because we are focussed on an
illusion that fools us. Dreams at night are just as real! As a matter of
fact, all realities are virtual and nothing is real except the Observer.
The Observer is The God That Is All! We are this God in the form of Man
and are fooling ourselves with our own Creation. As a matter of fact, we
are lost in it, and now we are looking at other people (Scientists) to
explain to us where and what we see and what is happening before big bangs
and/or before splatses.
There never was One of them - for the phyiscal
universe is a Timeless phenomena that rebuilds itself piece by piece, atome
by atom like the cells of our body - continuously. The physical universe is
forever new, looking forever old or older. It is such a crafty creating
that it fools all scientists. And they keep saying this is the way it is,
for they are paid by the New World Order People - who would like humanity
to believe in nonsense...
Slowly awakening - Gerardus
BTW:
I repeated myself a few time above because I had three different goes at
it. I was interupted too many time. Also an illusion naturally...
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April 2001
Hi J-4...
Life is what we focus upon!
So if there are scientists who are focussing on a Big Bang and or Splat -
They will find it!! They will find it - for it is their creation...
In the mean time, the universe or life is neither this nor that - it is
everything! Whatever we find it to be - is what we have created of it!
About the article:
I have read some of the theory about and of before the Big Bang.
The universe as known by the Sciences is a happening limited to Time and
Space. I do not think that they have concluded yet that Time and Space is a
certain condition of an illusionary reality we find ourselves in. IOW: what
I am saying is, that there really is no time and space, except in our dream
we call Human Life - it is a Dream or a Dance in Consciousness. Our
Consciousness. Time and Space and the physical universe are only real when
you look at it by means of a human body. The body is a lens - drop the lens
and Time and Space disappears...
About this illusionary reality:
Physical reality is a "Reality of Mind" in a certain form. IOW: the energy
we call mind FORMS the activity and or objects that appears to look like
the physical universe, when we live in a human body and focus upon it. It's
a self-created illusion with the help of the body - the lens. It's an
illusion...
The physical reality is a form of mind, and what we call it, and how we
experience it however, does not change what it is - Mind in Form. It is a
construction in Consciousness - which is Mind. Mind is timeless and
spaceless! However, physical reality is real - for we experience this
Dream as Real. A Real Illusion!
So, was there a Big Bang, after a big Splat? And are there other universes
out of which others have developed? Yes, there are other universes - but
they are also only Mind in certain forms. Well, the big bang and all
"splats" are only a theory and are nothing but speculation. It's not
something we can go to and witness and say - I've seen it and it was an
actually happening. It is a speculation...
Here is my speculation:
The only big bang that ever happens is a personal one, and at that
LightBulb Moment we understand that we are dreaming. Dreaming creation as
we experience it. To awaken from this dream, is the personal big bang, all
of us sooner or later will have it. It's a thing or happening in the Head...
The universe is a timeless and spaceless phenomena that under certain
conditions and with a certain body can be experienced as something
physical. How physical is it? Not much physicality there at all when we
take into consideration the emptiness between atoms. The same scientists
say that the spaces between atoms and electrons are so great that an atom
is 99.9999% emptiness.
What happened to our solidness as we experience it??
Solidness or solidity, as well as Time and Space, as well as Big Bangs and
Splats are part and parcel of an illusion we are subjected to - the
Physical Dream. We created it, then went to live in it and find that it is
real. A real Illusion...
We have come here to experience this dream and it fools us. We say that the
reality we live in is real, this is so because we are focussed on an
illusion that fools us. Dreams at night are just as real! As a matter of
fact, all realities are virtual and nothing is real except the Observer.
The Observer is The God That Is All! We are this God in the form of Man
and are fooling ourselves with our own Creation. As a matter of fact, we
are lost in it, and now we are looking at other people (Scientists) to
explain to us where and what we see and what is happening before big bangs
and/or before splatses. There never was One of them - for the physical
universe is a Timeless phenomena that rebuilds itself piece by piece, atom
by atom like the cells of our body - continuously. The physical universe is
forever new, looking forever old or older. It is such a crafty creation
that it fools all scientists. And they keep saying this is the way it is,
for they are paid by the New World Order People - who would like humanity
to believe in nonsense...
Slowly awakening - Gerardus
BTW:
I repeated myself a few times above because I had three different goes at
it. I was interrupted too many times. Also an illusion naturally...
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Subject: RE: [4D-STO-C] The Objectivity of Karma...
Gerardus here:
Objectivity of Karma is
the lessons we are learning and or are subjected to at present
Mahrouk...
Geeee what on earth does that mean? We can perhaps ?? learn lessons
based on the experience that come our way BUT to assume to know the
'why' of the lessons would imply we remember what we have been up to
over the few thousand lives we have lived. Yes?
what is objective about any of this?
Hi Mahrouk...
It's been a while since I wrote that and I can't remember the mood/trance I
was in at that time. Possibly what I meant was, that when you look at the
present moment, things are happening to us that are the result of lessons
we did not learn in the past. I agree that there is no Karma, but yet each
lifetime is a complement of all other lifetimes. IOW: the Whole of Life is
like a Mosaic (A Complete Mosaic), but in each lifetime only certain pieces
are shown to us. So, in order to fit together the entire mosaic only
certain lessons are learned/remembered in one lifetime in order to complete
the Mosaic. These certain lessons I call the "objectivity" of our present
life. Meaning they are the actual happenings that make up our present
lifetime...
My dictionary says that "objective" is external to the mind. So, the way I
use this word then, means that what's going on is not necessarily known to
us as to why this is happening, but in order to complete the Whole of Life
we go through it without knowing or remembering why...
You say/ask:
........ BUT to assume to know the 'why' of the lessons would imply we
remember what we have been up to over the few thousand lives we have lived.
Yes?
Gerardus here:
We do or might not remember what we have been up to in all our thousands of
lifetimes, but I feel that we have a "plan" within our subconscious mind or
Soul for each lifetime that directs us from within. We could even call what
directs us "urges" and we act upon them. IOW: when we live in an
unconscious manner we get ourselves into all kinds of troubles because of
these "urges". We do not know whether they are Soul-Urges or Body-Urges.
They just urge! We need to learn to discern! In our so called later
lifetimes - we have different "urges" again, as well as, that we have a
better handle on our Body-Urges. We begin to think more and know the
results of irresponsible actions...
This means that we are slowly become "conscious" of how to live our life
and call it progress. Our Soul begins to shine through! This progress
naturally has been a pre-planned "deal" so to speak, for in these so called
later lifetimes we are older Souls now. Naturally, all lives are lived
simultaneously, but within illusionary time frames, they seem to be at
different times and places. Times and places are states of mind -
locations as thoughts or thoughts as locations...
Glad you asked and I hope this helped - Gerardus
BTW:
I knew that someone would come back with a question about that impulsive
sentence. Great!!
Fiona here:
We do not need karma because we are living all of our existences right now,
past, present and future are all playing themselves out right now. We also
have multiple dimensional selves who are playing and living in all the other
dimensions all having multiple experiences. So we do not need karma to
balance anything out because in our multidimensional experiences we are
experiencing everything there is to experience in these realms right now.
Awesome isn't it !
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Subject: [cass] My name is Karma and I play my role...
Margot:
Since reading C's material and joining this group, I have more
questions, not less, and believe that's helped me learn. Because, you
have to ask a question to get an answer. If there is no answer, at least
you'll keep looking for one, and may be more open to learning.
Hugh, how would you describe "what 'is'"?
[Moderator's note: In the future, please preface such posts as this with
the note that this is your opinion or your belief. No preaching.]
Hi Margot... Hi Hugh...
Karma is an aspect of a belief system. It is a virtual reality. If you
believe in it - you will live or have it. Karma or belief systems are the
impetus or actions of physical life or lifetimes. Nothing is chiseled in
stone or steel - except for what we believe in. It creates our realities.
We are the Creator in a mode of distortion and therefore believe in certain
philosophies and or realities. We do all this in order to play the Game of
The Light We Are. We express ourselves in Light and Shadows. Looking from
the bottom, Karma looks like a real thing or actuality, looking from the
top and therefore from a No-Time perspective - how can Karma be real? More
or less it is a script by which we play our roles - written by our so
called previous actions...
What is - What 'is' ?
All experiences of all Life are What Is. We can only experience this on an
individual basis and Truth therefore is an individual thing. The only
absolute Truth that exist is Individual Truth. No one being in the universe
knows it all. Except The Infinite Light itself and it ain't talking much,
because it is busy expressing itself in All That Is. In a sense we could
say - What 'is" IS "All That Is" - The Infinite Light or TIL. It is the
grass and the rose, it is the human and the enlightened Master, it is the
Co-Creator of the Solar system creating with the infinite wisdom of the
Infinite Light - TIL. Yet, all blades of grass, roses, human beings,
masters and Co-Creators are equal - for all are the same Light. Keeping
itself busy being All...
Only one Candle - Gerardus
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Subject: Re: [4D-STO-C] Interesting links: Spiritweb and Pathwork
At 05:38 PM 6/17/2001 +0200, you wrote:
Hi All,
Found some very interesting info:
You might already be familiar with the Spiritweb site. I found that John
Payne's contributions to this site are very good. One of the quotes in his
channeled material which touches on the discussions here some months ago is:
----
So, ascension my dear friends, is truly about descension. It is bringing
the light down - it is landing the light. It means incarnating 100% as your
soul-self.
That is how paradise will be brought to earth. You are not waiting for a
savior or a guru or a messiah or spaceships from one enlightened planet or
another. You are waiting for the arrival of your soul.
---end quote---
Hello Els...
If I am not mistaking John Payne used to be on my Trilite List for a while.
Is there anybody here who might remember? And yes, what John says is
true. It is all about bringing "The Light" down into our physical creation
- the locality in mind within which we think we live in physical bodies.
This is only done bit by bit, for the Soul-Self needs to experience all the
"fluff and stuff" before it is able to command a human vehicle in such a
way that it will be in a continual listening mode for the Soul to shine
through. This truly means that possible only one out of a million is able
and ready to do such. Another thing, it is not only to bring down The
Light, but also to be able to create a physical reality within which we all
get lost and play the game of searching for what we really are. There is
nothing else to do! It's a con-game naturally, for we are The Light or
Truth in the first place. The joke is on us...
Great quote - Gerardus
(Thank you Els)
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June 2001
>Hi All,
>Found some very interesting info:
>You might already be familiar with the Spiritweb site. I found that John
Payne's contributions to this site are very good. One of the quotes in his
channeled material which touches on the discussions here some months ago is:
>----
>So, ascension my dear friends, is truly about descension. It is bringing
the light down - it is landing the light. It means incarnating 100% as your
soul-self.
>That is how paradise will be brought to earth. You are not waiting for a
savior or a guru or a messiah or spaceships from one enlightened planet or
another. You are waiting for the arrival of your soul.
>---end quote---
Hello E-4 Gerardus here:
If I am not mistaking John Payne used to be on my TriLite List for a while.
Is there anybody here who might remember? And yes, what John says is
true. It is all about bringing "The Light" down into our physical creation
- the locality in mind within which we think we live in physical bodies.
This is only done bit by bit, for the Soul-Self needs to experience all the
"fluff and stuff" before it is able to command a human vehicle in such a
way that it will be in a continual listening mode for the Soul to shine
through. This truly means that possible only one out of a million is able
and ready to do such. Another thing, it is not only to bring down The
Light, but also to be able to create a physical reality within which we all
get lost and play the game of searching for what we really are. There is
nothing else to do! It's a con-game naturally, for we are The Light or
Truth in the first place. The joke is on us...
Great quote - Gerardus
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June 2001
Gerardus here:
What difference does it make what the real story is about Jesus, or maybe
Hesus as some people call him? What difference does it make what the real
story is about Buddha, Moses, Krishna, Lao Tzu or any other Great One? All
we know is that some of their words survived, and by golly by
thinking/feeling and experiencing Life for what it is, again and again, we
slowly learn that the real story is about ourselves!
Hello Gerardus,
While I agree in part with your above comments, because certainly there are
those who live a fine life without ever having even heard of these fellows,
isn't it wiser to know as much as we can and so doing make better choices?
Otherwise it seems as though lots more untruth could be laid at our feet.
Which amounts to lies.
If one does not care enough to find these answers that is okay, I guess, but
wouldn't we then still be looking out form our caves? What I mean is...
isn't this wanting to know/grow all a part of the evolution?
I think so.
You say:
What is our story?
Our story is the experience of Life. Our Life!
I say: I agree, but experience is colored by what one knows.
K-C
Hi K-C... Gerardus here:
Yes, even more than colored I feel. For knowing is influenced by the
inspiration/knowing of the Soul We Are. It already knows the past. So
again, why bother about any past. Is all this research done because our
human body-mind finds it interesting and possibly thinks that this is
important? I still think/feel that one can go too far in trying to uncover
the past. It's easy to become an ego-mind thing...
What about the past of 200,000 years ago? Does it really matter? In the
same sense, it does not really matter what happened 2000 years ago. All is
present within the moment. I take into consideration here however that we
are aware of what those beings stood for and what they might have
said. This means to me that one is not to stumble or ponder endlessly
about who said what about them and whatever details might come up, which
might be contradicted by other historians...
I stick with L-C here who says that the more one thinks one knows, the
more one knows nothing. Exactly! That is why it is more important to
listen than to discover the details of history. After all it is only
his-story! In the mean time - whatever works for you - follow it...
Following mine - Gerardus
BTW:
I find that too many people think that the Truth is out there. What is out
there is only a specific interpretation of an illusionary happening. There
are as many interpretations as that there are people. We all have our own -
all stories. We are the Truth! All our illusionary experiences will end
when this is fully realized. Until that point is reached, we will all only
experience our self-made dreams. So what needs to be done? Full
realization of who or what we really are - The Truth. We are the One That
Is! In the mean time, all that's "out there" is diversion...
Blessings and Smiles - Gerardus
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Subject: What's out there is diversion...
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:12:29 EDT
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Subject: Re: A lesson to learn
<< Gerardus here:
What difference does it make what the real story is about Jesus, or maybe
Hesus as some people call him? What difference does it make what the real
story is about Buddha, Moses, Krishna, Lao Tzu or any other Great One? All
we know is that some of their words survived, and by golly by
thinking/feeling and experiencing Life for what it is, again and again, we
slowly learn that the real story is about ourselves!
Hello Gerardus,
While I agree in part with your above comments, because certainly there are
those who live a fine life without ever having even heard of these fellows,
isn't it wiser to know as much as we can and so doing make better choices?
Otherwise it seems as though lots more untruths could be laid at our feet.
Which amounts to lies.
If one does not care enough to find these answers that is okay, I guess, but
wouldn't we then still be looking out form our caves? What I mean is... isn't
this wanting to know/grow all a part of the evolution?
I think so.
You say:
What is our story?
Our story is the experience of Life. Our Life!
I say:
I agree, but experience is colored by what one knows.
Kathy
Hi Kathy - Gerardus here:
Yes, even more than colored I feel. For knowing is influenced by the
inspiration/knowing of the Soul We Are. It already knows the past. So
again, why bother about any past. Is all this research done because our
human body-mind finds it interesting and possibly thinks that this is
important? I still think/feel that one can go too far in trying to uncover
the past. It's easy to become an ego-mind thing...
What about the past of 200,000 years ago? Does it really matter? In the
same sense, it does not really matter what happened 2000 years ago. All is
present within the moment. I take into consideration here however that we
are aware of what those beings stood for and what they might have
said. This means to me that one is not to stumble or ponder endlessly
about who said what about them and whatever details might come up, which
might be contradicted by other historians...
I stick with Linda here who says that the more one thinks one knows, the
more one knows nothing. Exactly! That is why it is more important to
listen than to discover the details of history. After all it is only
his-story! In the mean time - whatever works for you - follow it...
Following mine - Gerardus
BTW:
I find that too many people think that the Truth is out there. What is out
there is only a specific interpretation of an illusionary happening. There
are as many interpretations as that there are people. We all have our own -
all stories. We are the Truth! All our illusionary experiences will end
when this is fully realized. Until that point is reached, we will all only
experience our self-made dreams. So what needs to be done? Full
realization of who or what we really are - The Truth. We are the One That
Is! In the mean time, all that's "out there" is diversion...
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Subject: Re: [4D-STO-C] Hidden knowledge...
All things need to be pondered about - Gerardus
Olga here:
I agree G - the more I read and study the less I know -
Another illusion fell this week end ~ I had always believed
that the 'still small voice' within was telling me the truth
- but it seems not so - it seems the matrix is being
tampered with - and definitely NOT in our best interest !
Hi Olga...
Yes, I have my suspicions who is inspiring what.
How did you come to these conclusions? The Cs ??
My view about the small still voice also is that it comes from other human
individuals some people call Guardians or Helpers. Not all know necessarily
better than we do. No doubt however, that some of us are connected to very
good sources. In the mean time, if we are here just to experience - Truth
of any kind is not important. What we experience is our Truth...
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Olga here:
So now I have to rely on my own experience to find 'truth'
for me ....
I am a Reiki Master - and since the stroke have not used the
energies. Last Thursday eve I got to use it in real life. I
told my patient that I did not know how well it would work -
my dominant hand is my right one - and the stroke affected
my right side. Well the energies flowed the patient was
cured - and I learned a lesson. I realized - made real to
myself- that the physical impairment has nothing to do with
the universal energies.
Gerardus here:
Well, I feel that truth of any kind is an individual thing. Therefore we
have to find it ourselves by means of our own experiences. Absolute Truth,
Life, the Universe, The Light are all the same Force and it is a changing
Force. If it was not changing - it would become stale. It is a Flow! We
are this Flow - changing...
Apparently as you say, your physically impairment does not stop that Flow.
Sounds reasonable to me since a stroke is a impairment of the brain.
Sometimes by exercise and time it is fixable. I have seen stroke patients
recuperate. I hope that will be the case for you too...
Smiles and Blessings - Gerardus
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Subject: [4D-STO-C] I think my Soul is Crazy!
To all 4-Ders...
Sometimes I just fooled around with words.
This time it as not me however but my Soul the Scientist.
So do not blame me - and truly shove it all on my Soul.
I think my Soul is Crazy!
I was talking to someone about the Unified Field Theory
and I came up with my definition for it.
Here it is:
I think a Unified Field Theory is:
A Morphogenetic Energy Field homogenized
by the theory that in the end that is the beginning
all things are One and Unified already by means of
the relativity of Time and the openness of Space naturally
coordinated by the notion that all things only exists
when you look at them the right way because the reflected light
that hits the eyeballs is the only thing understood by human machines.
All the rest is guess work...
Good for a Laugh - Gerardus
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Subject: RE: [4D-STO-C] Swerdlow
Hi Fiona...
I read the Swerdlow response in your other post. I noticed that he did not
say very much, except for the acknowledgement that you know about this
5%. Big Deal. You already knew that. As for me, asking him about Edgar -
no deal. As I look at some of his answers, and from what you told us about
his connections with the secret service, kind of stops me dead being
interested in him. He says for example that he does not want to be
anybody's Guru. Fine!
I do not want to be anybody's disciple either. How do
we know for example that he is not a multi-personality who speaks from his
"Altar" and acts from his back stage? How do we know that he has not got an
earphone in his ear and listens to his satellite to answer questions. No
doubt he is slick. He might even be a Great Master. So what - we all are!
We are all playing our roles in this game. No doubt he plays his very
well. Somehow I feel that he is too popular to belong to the few private
nameless ones...
Oscar for Swerdlow - Gerardus
Fiona here:
Yes again to your comments - I think I said in my very first comments about
him last week that it could be he who is still plugged into the satellite
programme and the rest of them have connected to the real thing !!
Therefore, it will be very intersting to see if any of his predictions
manifest in the coming months and years.
Hi Fiona - Gerardus here:
Yes, you are right. In a way, we are all plugged into a Satellite - The
Infinite One. Another thing is, I do not know what he means by satellite.
Possibly it might mean a window or orifice through which his info comes in.
The thing is, physical reality is not something in and by itself. All we
know is that there is Energy out there and we perceive it as something
familiar and call it our physical reality...
Satellites for example in many ways ARE windows for they can see further or
register different realities. Realities that are beyond our reception range.
We could call ourselves "satellites" for we are receiving and are broad
casting signals to our SoulSelf, who in a way is a throughput to the
Infinite One. This SoulSelf, well, presumably it lives within us, but what is
within us? In actuality I do not feel/think that there is a within or
without. There is only Mind - and somehow we are aware of an infinitely tiny
fraction of it and we think we know something. Not so... We know N2N...
Pondering again - Gerardus
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Hi Kathleen and All - Gerardus here:
I honestly do not know what to say about this one. Except: are these
satellites indeed put into space in order to tell us that we are Godbeings
and basically free? That we create our own reality? Are not the Illuminati
all about promoting the body and the one-life deal?
What I fail to see or understand is - what we are told by the New Age Light
and Love Land Satellites (presumably) is STILL a lot better than any
religions has ever told the masses. What gives here? It seems to me that
telling people anything contained in channeled material (Satellite wise or
not) is contradictory to what the Illuminati want the masses to know. What
is the logic? Or who benefits by the educational teachings from satellites?
The Illuminati?? I doubt that. I am lost...
And again I know N2N - Gerardus
BTW:
Maybe I do know something.
I feel that the satellite story is nonsense! Yes, I know that brain washing
and conditioning is true - but not in the style that tells me that I am a
Godbeing and that the Illuminati are controlling this world to create
difficulties for us all to transcend. And not to the extent that Aliens
eat humans and torture them to get their fix? Bogus. Is not that what
Laura receives. Is not that what Marciniak receives? Makes no sense to
me. Might be senseless because my microchip went haywire... who knows...
Fiona here:
Yes Gerardus, may be your implants need upgrading ! May be they are rusting
and losing their oomph! I still think all the channelling is accurate in so
much as what is received is real - perhaps not "real" for this reality, but
possibly quite valid info for the dimension from whence it came. EG. Many
channelled sources are telling us that the planet is going 5D - I now tend
to disagree with this - I believe it is more like our mindset or
understanding as a race is going to jump to 5D but that our bodies and our
habitat will still be 3D. We will be a race of awakening beings residing on
a 3D planet.
Another interesting Swerdlow comment was that there is an alternate Earth
living under Nazi rule, that they won the war in that particular split off
reality. We probably all have alternate selves living in that dimension as
well. Interesting.
Hi Fiona...
Yes, I believe in Alternate Worlds, but only as fantasies in someone's head.
There are billions and billions of them. (Please multiply that with another
billion or two). All wishful thinkers. By this I mean, that we all live in
this world, for this is the one we need to learn from and/or experience. Why
dream of other worlds? Alternate selves to me are theoretical
possibilities, that just do not become real and/or actual. On the other
hand, the entire universe is mind, so to those who live in their fantasies -
the Alternate Worlds will be real one day...
Taken into consideration that the universal mind is infinite, it is
certainly possible that the Nazis won the war in one world or another - at
one time or another. But then you see - who said they lost the war in THIS
world?? The Nazi Party is going strong and is doing well as the NWO - same
thing - different name. Maybe the winner is the loser...
I'm going for a new implant this afternoon - Gerardus
(They are on sale at Costco)
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July 2001
Hi All...
Well, I feel that truth of any kind is an individual thing. Therefore we
have to find it ourselves by means of our own experiences. Absolute Truth,
Life, the Universe, The Light are all the same Force and it is a changing
Force. If it was not changing - it would become stale. It is a Flow! We
are this Flow - changing...
Apparently as you say, your physically impairment does not stop that Flow.
Sounds reasonable to me since a stroke is a impairment of the brain.
Sometimes by exercise and time it is fixable. I have seen stroke patients
recuperate. I hope that will be the case for you too...
Smiles and Blessings - Gerardus
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Subject: [4D-STO-C] BE STILL... For I am You and Speak.
Gerardus here:
BTW:
Maybe I do know something.
I feel that the satellite story is nonsense! Yes, I know that brain washing
and conditioning is true - but not in the style that tells me that I am a
Godbeing and that the Illuminati are controlling this world to create
difficulties for us all to transcend. And not to the extent that Aliens
eat humans and torture them to get their fix? Bogus. Is not that what
Laura receives. Is not that what Marciniak receives? Makes no sense to
me. Might be senseless because my microchip went haywire... who knows...
Kathleen here:
Hi G,
I wonder the same things. I think it comes down to this: All the material
out there is a mixture, some "good" some "bad", no matter what the
source. Yes, I think a lot of the New Age stuff is very empowering and
positive and a good deal better than what we've had til now.
Also, I tend to believe the stuff about HAARP and satellites, knowing
that the technology was very advanced in the 50's and that they have
been "fine tuning" it all these years. They can apparently "beam"
information and voices into people's heads, without any wires or
anything. I think it explains some of the whacko killings - I think some
of them are experiments in this technology, the Black Ops guys want
to see how far they can take it - experiments have been going on for
years and years. We'll see if it's leading up to what Stewart says it is.
I still don't accept "transcending" or "going to 5D" - at least it's just
not realistic to me.
If all this information is meant to confuse people, it is doing a good
job, no? I try to stick to what is basic and important in life, and all
>that basic stuff is really quite simple. Just not very exciting!
Hi Kathleen - Gerardus here:
Well, you know how it is with the man with two watches. He does not know
what time it is. Then, I agree with you that whatever goes on - all we can
do is wonder about it and say - interesting. The German Soldier in the old
Laughin Show knew that already. What took us so long?
The information out there is just exploding and everyone thinks this is it
man - better pay attention! Nonsense. It even seem to work out that we
think that the information we have not received yet - THAT is the
truth! Nonsense again...
The entire scene has become most deluding and/or illusionary. I say: if
you Soul wanted you to know something - it would tell you. After all that
is what Souls are for. They impart knowledge. However, one needs to
withdraw from all the noise out there called information. IOW: BE STILL...
For I am You and Speak!
Nice title for a Book - Gerardus
(Still 500 left - who wants one?)
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... About Karma and Experience ...
As I see it, and I am gut-guessing here, there is no Karma from the point
of view of the OverSoul. However, there is Karma from the point of view of
the human being...
For example, let's say that I am an average OverSoul, and I want to have a
thousands human instruments living on earth in a widely varying arrangement
or proliferation. So, by means of thought, I distribute certain aspects of
my Energies among a thousand human vehicles, who in and by themselves
become human soul energies on their own. These human soul energies live
what we call incarnations within a period of say 20,000 years. I as the
OverSoul do this on earth for I want to experience the Human Condition on
earth...
So, there they are, a thousand different human beings living over a period
of 20,000 years and they are living and experiencing human lives. Since I
as an OverSoul am not familiar with the Human Conditions on earth, there
are many things and details to learn. I do this by means of my instruments
and the Energies invested into them are called human souls. Human souls are
learning - not human bodies. IOW: these human instruments make mistakes in
judgement and in order to learn how to correct this, they experience their
mistakes from the other point of view in other lifetimes. This means, each
human soul energy, as an aspect of the OverSoul Energy, is a unit on its
own and it is responsible for this human soul energy. Each human soul
energy cycles back and forth from the earth to the astral after the death
of the body and from the human point of view, they cycle and re-cycle
according to the lessons that need to be learned. Bingo - Karma!
From the point of view of the OverSoul however, there is no Karma! There
is only learning and experiencing. In the mean time though, because the
OverSoul is responsible for the one thousand human beings and their
energies, it is possible that some human energies will not be completely
balanced in thoughts and experiences, after the set time of 20,000 years.
Now what?
All this means is, that the OverSoul needs to pay particular attention to
these stragglers and it needs to help these human soul energies in order to
finish their journeys in a balanced manner. If not, the OverSoul cannot
leave the Earth plane completely, since some of its Energies are still
living in human instruments. It is still attached to earth. No big deal
naturally, for the OverSoul exist beyond time and all it takes is to go
back into time and "help" its human soul energies to complete their
cycles. Voila, the little voice speaks louder...
Since we at present are at the end of an enormous universal cycle, it is
clear that there is an enormous effort put forward by many many OverSouls
to finish their learning on Earth. They all want to collect their
energy-interests that are living on the earth. No wonder, so many people
on earth are waking up and want to finish their 3D experiences. They know
that it is time to move on and up. For by now the little voice is shouting...
Karma - the Laugh of the OverSoul.
Karma - the Human Being's Dilemma.
Laughing here - Gerardus
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The OverSoul at Play...
About Karma and Experience ...
As I see it, and I am gut-guessing here, there is no Karma from the point
of view of the OverSoul. However, there is Karma from the point of view of
the human being...
For example, let's say that I am an average OverSoul, and I want to have a
thousands human instruments living on earth in a widely varying arrangement
or proliferation. So, by means of thought, I distribute certain aspects of
my Energies among a thousand human vehicles, who in and by themselves
become human soul energies on their own. These human soul energies live
what we call incarnations within a period of say 20,000 years. I as the
OverSoul do this on earth for I want to experience the Human Condition on
earth...
So, there they are, a thousand different human beings living over a period
of 20,000 years and they are living and experiencing human lives. Since I
as an OverSoul am not familiar with the Human Conditions on earth, there
are many things and details to learn. I do this by means of my instruments
and the Energies invested into them are called human souls. Human souls are
learning - not human bodies. IOW: these human instruments make mistakes
in judgement and in order to learn how to correct this, they experience their
mistakes from the other point of view in other lifetimes. This means, each
human soul energy, as an aspect of the OverSoul Energy, is a unit on its
own and it is responsible for this human soul energy. Each human soul
energy cycles back and forth from the earth to the astral after the death
of the body and from the human point of view, they cycle and re-cycle
according to the lessons that need to be learned. Bingo - Karma!
From the point of view of the OverSoul however, there is no Karma! There
is only learning and experiencing. In the mean time though, because the
OverSoul is responsible for the one thousand human beings and their
energies, it is possible that some human energies will not be completely
balanced in thoughts and experiences, after the set time of 20,000 years.
Now what?
All this means is, that the OverSoul needs to pay particular attention to
these stragglers and it needs to help these human soul energies in order to
finish their journeys in a balanced manner. If not, the OverSoul cannot
leave the Earth plane completely, since some of its Energies are still
living in human instruments. It is still attached to earth. No big deal
naturally, for the OverSoul exist beyond time and all it takes is to go
back into time and "help" its human soul energies to complete their
cycles. Voila, the little voice speaks louder...
Since we at present are at the end of an enormous universal cycle, it is
clear that there is an enormous effort put forward by many many OverSouls
to finish their learning on Earth. They all want to collect their
energy-interests that are living on the earth. No wonder, so many people
on earth are waking up and want to finish their 3D experiences. They know
that it is time to move on and up. For by now the little voice is shouting.
Karma - the Laugh of the OverSoul.
Karma - the Human Being's Dilemma.
Laughing here - Gerardus
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>Hey Gerardus, I like this.... makes a lot of sense.... and it makes you
>think.. ;)
>
>I-4
Glad you liked it I-4...
F-4 is right about the no Karma bit - for her that is! She lives from
the point of view of the OverSoul. For ordinary human beings though,
especially the masses, they live from the human level. From that level the
idea of Karma or Balance is good! All this is set up with much thought in
mind. And yes, by living so many lives "thinking-out" what's what, and by
means of the different teachings, we find out that all teachings or
religions are but stories. Some are more ridiculous than others, and it is
up to each individual human soul to discover the lies about them. In the
mean time, all of us are subjected to the conditioning of our parents and
our society and/or the times we grow up in...
In the mean time, what I wrote above - is also but a story. Mine!
I am afraid that each one of us has to go by what is true for us. As I see
it - the Truth is that there is only individual Truth!
--- ALSO - we are the Truth! We are the Reality! ---
What we experience is what we are and is where we are at. Where we are at,
depends upon our belief systems and/or views. What we experience depends
upon our awareness...
Story Teller - Gerardus
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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:52:28 -0700
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Gerardus here:
Yes, and then the self-responsibility bit.
I wonder what happens to people who are not self-responsible?
Do they come back and need to learn this?
Is not this equal to Karma or being out of balance?
.................................................
Fiona here:
No, I do not think anyone has to come back to learn anything - that is
unless they truly want this type of experience. It does not matter how we
experience these realms, it is the experience alone that I favour as being
what it is all about.
Gerardus here:
In the mean time I posted a post about this Karma Subject. Did you receive
it? Then - YOU are right from the OverSoul's point of view. YOU live there
- your awareness is and comes from there! For many billions of others
there is a different rule. This rule is a self-made rule by means of belief
systems. Karma to them is existing and real. And yes, especially so when
anyone wants to come back and truly want that certain experience. This is
what you mentioned above...
I think/feel the clue lies in the fact that we ARE the Universe, we ARE
Life, we ARE the Truth!
This means that if we would treat someone in a negative manner - we treat
ourselves in that manner. There is no "other" - so we create a gap by means
of the way we treated another aspect of ourselves. This needs to be
corrected sooner or later. These treatments of others are caused by the
fact that all of us have blinds spots in our awareness system (human
soulness) on purpose!! This "blindspot" is the "activator" of the 3D world
and its incarnational programs or the proliferation of the OverSoul by
means of its Instruments and the energies invested there. IOW: all of us
are created exactly the way our OverSoul wanted us to be! Blindspots and
all! These blindspots are the impetus that makes the world what it is. A
dysfunctional mess! It is the CAUSE of all our experiences...!
This entire scenery is a challenge for the OverSoul, as well as for the
human soul. The human soul living in a human body for example, pulls off
some dandies here and there, because it has free will. The task of the
OverSoul is to direct the human soul in trying to see or understand what
happened and correct what need correcting. It is at least a two way
scenario. This is why it is important for the OverSoul to finish with its
incarnational energies, for it cannot move on completely unless it is free
of attachments in the lower planes...
I have attachments in cyberspace - Gerardus
(It's 4D and the Cookie List)
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July 2001
Hi All...
Karma is an aspect of a belief system. It is a virtual reality. If you
believe in it - you will live or have it. Karma or belief systems are the
impetus or actions of physical life or lifetimes. Nothing is chiseled in
stone or steel - except for what we believe in. It creates our realities.
We are the Creator in a mode of distortion and therefore believe in certain
philosophies and or realities. We do all this in order to play the Game of
The Light We Are. We express ourselves in Light and Shadows. Looking from
the bottom, Karma looks like a real thing or actuality, looking from the
top and therefore from a No-Time perspective - how can Karma be real? More
or less it is a script by which we play our roles - written by our so
called previous actions...
What is - What 'is' ?
All experiences of all Life are What Is. We can only experience this on an
individual basis and Truth therefore is an individual thing. The only
absolute Truth that exist is Individual Truth. No one being in the universe
knows it all. Except The Infinite Light itself and it ain't talking much,
because it is busy expressing itself in All That Is. In a sense we could
say - What 'is" IS "All That Is" - The Infinite Light or TIL. It is the
grass and the rose, it is the human and the enlightened Master, it is the
Co-Creator of the Solar system creating with the infinite wisdom of the
Infinite Light - TIL. Yet, all blades of grass, roses, human beings,
masters and Co-Creators are equal - for all are the same Light. Keeping
itself busy being All...
Only one Candle - Gerardus
( Sometimes people say: You are preaching! )
(( Did you know that that is only their opinion?))
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July 2001
Gerardus here:
>Yes, and then the self-responsibility bit.
>I wonder what happens to people who are not self-responsible?
>Do they come back and need to learn this?
>Is not this equal to Karma or being out of balance?
>.................................................
>F-4 here:
>No, I do not think anyone has to come back to learn anything - that is
>unless they truly want this type of experience. It does not matter how we
>experience these realms, it is the experience alone that I favour as being
>what it is all about.
Gerardus here:
In the mean time I posted a post about this Karma Subject. Did you receive
it? Then - YOU are right from the OverSoul's point of view. YOU live there
- your awareness is and comes from there! For many billions of others
there is a different rule. This rule is a self-made rule by means of belief
systems. Karma to them is existing and real. And yes, especially so when
anyone wants to come back and truly want that certain experience. This is
what you mentioned above...
I think/feel the clue lies in the fact that...
We ARE the Universe, we ARE Life, we ARE the Truth!
This means that if we would treat someone in a negative manner - we treat
ourselves in that manner. There is no "other" - so we create a gap by means
of the way we treated another aspect of ourselves. This needs to be
corrected sooner or later. These treatments of others are caused by the
fact that all of us have blinds spots in our awareness system (human
soulness) on purpose!! This "blindspot" is the "activator" of the 3D world
and its incarnational programs or the proliferation of the OverSoul by
means of its Instruments and the energies invested there.
IOW: all of us...
are created exactly the way our OverSoul wanted us to be! Blindspots and
all! These blindspots are the impetus that makes the world what it is. A
dysfunctional mess! It is the CAUSE of all our experiences...!
This entire scenery is a challenge for the OverSoul, as well as, for the
human soul. The human soul living in a human body for example, pulls off
some dandies here and there, because it has free will. The task of the
OverSoul is to direct the human soul in trying to see or understand what
happened and correct what needs correcting. It is at least a two way
scenario. This is why it is important for the OverSoul to finish with its
incarnational energies, for it cannot move on completely unless it is free
of attachments in the lower planes...
I have attachments in cyberspace - Gerardus
(It's 4D and the Cookie List)
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July/Aug 2001
F-4 here:
>Hi Gerardus,
>Yes, I did read your discourse on the OverSoul from yesterday - I wanted to
>respond but knew I had to read it a few more times to really get it into my
>brain before commenting. I do however agree with a lot of what you said -
>except of course anything to do with Karma ! It was overall a very
>insightful view.
Gerardus here:
Thank you for your kind words.
I know that you do not agree with the Karma bit. I respect that view.
Possibly, as soon as one sees through the illusion or beliefs about it - it
falls away. Then it is like passing off the Tooth Fairy. There are factors
however that are unknown to me. More below...
F-4 here:
>Karma is real when it becomes a belief, the same as sitting
>on a cloud playing a harp will be real for the entities who truly believe
>that this is what they will do after physical death.
Gerardus here:
Yes, same thing!
We create our own reality.
But the reality we create is not necessarily the whole bottle of wax...
F-4 here:
>When you look at the big picture and see that all lives are occurring
>simultaneously there is no way we can be paying for something we did last
>life time in this one - because the last one is still viable and still
>happening to us - just in a different time line. We do of course need
>belief systems to create a world to experience - but when we realise that
>that is what they are - merely belief systems, we can observe them as just
>that and not give them any more power.
Gerardus here:
Yes, living all lives simultaneously might seem to exclude Karma. But there
is still the issue of the influences of one life upon another life, or upon
many lives for that matter. There is also the factor of "no time". Going
back into time for example plays a great part in the activity of certain
beings who are dependent on human food and/or human energies. They are able
to arrange a different future for many human beings, if not for all...
If THEY can do this, so can any OverSoul! Therefore - I might hit some
Karma head on possibly. Personally, I am not quite aware enough on being
completely sure of what is possible by taking the 'no time" factor into
account. I assume that this only can be learned from existing in 4D or
beyond. YOU may say Karma is out, but I cannot join you on this one. At
one time I thought I could agree, but I must leave it open for now...
I do know for sure, that OverSouls still encounter surprises from their
human instruments when humans pull off an unexpected maneuver. Humans have
free will! If OverSouls were not surprised by some human maneuvers - all
lives to them would be an open book and the universe would be a programmed
machine that no one could change. Things are not that simple I feel...
The human free will plays a part in the future of mankind and the universe.
By this I do not mean that they can completely upset the apple cart. Humans
minds have influence upon all things within the one Mind...
Then - time is a very flexible ingredient within the universal scheme of
things. Therefore I cannot say with absolute certainty that Karma is out.
You can do so possibly, but I personally feel that I do not know enough of
the Time Factor and the possibilities of returning to the past and correct
or change things. The Cs speak about this abundantly. Might be true -
might not be true. I take their words with caution and in the mean time I
leave all possibilities open. From past experiences I have learned that I
changed my mind on things when I acquired more knowledge or information. No
doubt I will on this one as well...
Hope so - Gerardus
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:53:48 -0700
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Fiona here:
With regard to Karma -
my thought of the day is that if it were not for the emotion of "guilt" we
would not need karma !
Hi Fiona - Gerardus here:
Yeah, good thought!
Here is another one...
Many emotions if not all, are part and parcel of life in the physical as a
human being. Then, on top of this, what we think and or feel about this, is
introduced into our thinking and feeling, by the body/brain/mind we
inherited (got) from the Lizzies. I am assuming here that they are the DNA
masters who created the human body/brain/mind...
Like Carlos Castaneda says: They have given us their mind! Meaning, we are
set up to be the way we are. All this is an "orchestrated scenery" in order
to "live" the human experience. We have subjected ourselves to this on a
voluntary bases. To outgrow this "set-up" takes time and guts...
In the mean time, we were speaking of self-responsibility. You said that
this existed for you. Well, possibly even the self-responsibility "feelings"
and or commitments, are also part and parcel of the Lizzies' setup. Now
what?? IOW: we as human beings are "what we are" in order to experience
"what we are". Humanness!! Meaning - the human experience is the "thing"
we come here for and it is set up and/or an orchestrated exercise...
Nothing but a fake...
My question now is: Is it sufficient to know this in order to be able to
transcend it?? Is this the criteria to go to 4D ??
What do you think? - Gerardus
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Aug 2001
Fiona here:
I totally respect your need to keep the "karma" possibility alive. This is
what makes for good interaction and discussion !
You are right in that our other lives influence our current one. We
definitely do get bleed thru from one life to another. We can unknowingly
pick up on the thought patterns and possibly even the experiences of other
selves living different lives. Unexplained fears or phobias could easily be
bleed thru (like some peoples irrational fear or spiders or snakes - yet in
their current life time they have never been bitten of killed by these
creatures). This once upon a time would have been thought to be past life
stuff - which in fact it is, but at the same time we can be influenced by
current lifetime existences of other aspects of our beings.
I have encountered some really neurotic "other selves" in my sleep state,
they are a real mess, and I can understand why I have some of these
tendencies in this life time, it is bleed thru.
I also believe it could be right that time lines and mass experiences can be
altered or changed, that is because there are so many realities within
realities that can split of and continue independently of the original
reality. It is mind boggling.
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Fiona here:
With regard to Karma -
my thought of the day is that if it were not for the emotion of "guilt" we
would not need karma !
Hi Fiona - Gerardus here:
Yeah, good thought!
Here is another one...
Many emotions if not all, are part and parcel of life in the physical as a
human being. Then, on top of this, what we think and or feel about this, is
introduced into our thinking and feeling, by the body/brain/mind we
inherited (got) from the Lizzies. I am assuming here that they are the DNA
masters who created the human body/brain/mind...
Like Carlos Castaneda says: They have given us their mind! Meaning, we are
set up to be the way we are. All this is an "orchestrated scenery" in order
to "live" the human experience. We have subjected ourselves to this on a
voluntary bases. To outgrow this "set-up" takes time and guts...
In the mean time, we were speaking of self-responsibility. You said that
this existed for you. Well, possibly even the self-responsibility "feelings"
and or commitments, are also part and parcel of the Lizzies' setup. Now
what?? IOW: we as human beings are "what we are" in order to experience
"what we are". Humanness!! Meaning - the human experience is the "thing"
we come here for and it is set up and/or an orchestrated exercise...
Nothing but a fake...
My question now is: Is it sufficient to know this in order to be able to
transcend it?? Is this the criteria to go to 4D ??
What do you think? - Gerardus
Fiona here:
I think being aware of what is going on in the wings is valuable - but we do
not need to transcend it - just being aware is sufficient. Obviously some
part of our being knows this anyway. I do not worry about criteria to go to
4D. I think we could do a lot better than 4D. But then again I do not see
the whole thing as a ladder climbing from 3D to 4D to 5D etc. We just are,
and we are already manifesting in all the other dimensions. We here in 3D
are no better or worse than other aspects of ourselves in so called "higher"
realms. We are all having equal experiences wherever we happen to be
placing our consciousness for the moment.
Gerardus here:
I agree with you that other aspects of ourselves live in all densities
and/or dimensions. However, I see Life from an individual point of view
now, and the individual I am is slowly learning to grasp what is going in
the entire Universe. This individual know that it IS this Universe. By
traveling through it, it slowly learns about itself! It wants to know the
whole!
Fact is however, that this individual is only aware of a small aspect of
the whole thing. To learn more to me, means slowly climbing the ladder of
progressing in Awareness or Consciousness. From where I look and see
things, Life is lived by individuals who slowly but surely climb and accept
greater responsibilities within the entire Universal Structure and become
and slowly become aware of greater aspects of themselves. It's a journey of
recognition or realization as I see it. A Self-recognition and/or a
Self-realization of the Whole Self...
In the mean time, this does not mean that one tiny aspect, or a big aspect
for that matter, is either better or worse than another. As an individual
aspect it learns and/or remembers more and more of itself. In a way it is
a progression from "delusion" to "entertainment" to
"enlightenment". Naturally, there are many intermediate stages within
these three main stages. It's a journey within and through our own Mind.
Who or what am I totally?
Traveling at full speed - Gerardus
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:47:16 -0700
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Hello 4-Ders...
For years and years Ellen and I were slanted to donate our organs upon the
death of our bodies. We figured that this was a good thing to do for it
possibly might help some other person in the 3D physical...
Our thinking about donating our organs has changed however. Suppose for
example that my body would die and some of my organs would be used to
replace the organs of a 3D person who is not destined to move to 4D when the
time comes, while the soul-energies I am do move to 4D. This would mean that
some of my organs (some of my energies) keep existing in 3D, while I as a
soul-energy would move to 4D. Now what? It would mean that I would have
"energy-ties" in 3D and possibly cannot move freely in a 4D environment
since aspects of my energy still exist in 3D.
So, in order to prevent this situation, Ellen and I have rescinded our organ
donations. NOW, I am wondering about this whole thing and possibly I am all
wrong about this. Maybe I still suffer from 3D thinking. I would like to
discuss this subject with you and your comments are welcome...
Wondering - Gerardus
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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:15:18 -0800
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Subject: T R O S
Sol here:
btw...about the syllables of 'Truth'
what is your take on lexigrams and the 'spiral of unfolding' that is
supposed to reveal the so called mystery of language. Some call it a
'spiritual thing'
just curious what your Thought is...
Hi Sol...
I am a Non-English brought up Dutchman and never studied languages or
English. I cannot be sure what you mean by "lexigrams" - the word is not in
my dictionary. However, I assume that my dictionary (Concise Oxford) must
have been complied by lexicography. Now, there is a good one!
Maybe you mean the words one can make from the letters of a specific word
or
maybe you mean the sentences one can make from the letters one specific word.
Say, take my Sir Name for example: TROS
I can make lots of sentences/expressions from it:
The Reality of Self
The Recognition of Self
The Remembrance of Self
The Rascality of Self
The Romance of Self
The Radiance of Self
The Resemblance of Self...
Reverse TROS ---> SORT
Simple Radiant Obvious Truth
or
Simple Rotten Obvious Truth
Better stop here before it hits my head - Gerardus
There must be lots more.
Need a computer program maybe...
BTW:
I do not know much about language. I just use it and try to stick to the
most simplest form I know how to muster in order to express what I want...
Dig me?
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:06:48 -0700
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At 06:32 PM 8/29/2001 -0500, you wrote:
Gerardus:
Our thinking about donating our organs has changed however. Suppose for
example that my body would die and some of my organs would be used to
replace the organs of a 3D person who is not destined to move to 4D when
the time comes, while the soul-energies I am do move to 4D. This would
mean that some of my organs (some of my energies keep existing in 3D)
while I as a soul-energy would move to 4D. Now what? It would mean
that I would have "energy-ties" in 3D and possibly cannot move freely in
a 4D environment since aspects of my energy still exist in 3D.
So, in order to prevent this situation, Ellen and I have rescinded our
organ donations. NOW, I am wondering about this whole thing and possibly
I am all wrong about this
Shirl here:
I was not even aware that organs are harvested while the donor patient is
still alive until a friend of mine rec'd a liver transplant. They actually
take the liver from a patient that is deemed terminal and in their last
hours or minutes of breathing, life.
Hi Shirl - Gerardus here:
I did not know that either. The whole scene is a touchy subject. Better not
faint in a hospital or you might wake up less a few organs - who knows...
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Shirl here:
So, I don't know what the implications
are as I've heard stories (as have we all I suppose) of how the recipients
can have 'memories' or unusual food cravings that the donor preferred..
Gerardus here:
Yes, this is not hard to believe.
How about pickles dipped in peanut butter?
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Shirl here:
Hey, maybe you could be in two realms simultaneous. Wonder which one would
be more conscious? Really, I don't think it much matters what you do, since
the tissues remain in the "all in all and that's all" anyway. I do admire,
tho, the implication that you are not differentiating between flesh, mind
and soul/spirit.
Gerardus here:
I feel that there is but one Energy and that we give this Energy our own
signature, be this kidney, brain, mind or soul. I feel that the
individuality of the universe is accomplished by means of its inhabitants.
I also feel that we as "eternal-entities" have certain tendencies right from
the start. Our Creator Soul gave us these to begin with. In future, we will
do the same to other "eternal-energies" we create and call them our
"living-thoughts" possibly.
I see creation and all entities within it, as a
perpetuating creative cycle, within which certain energies from the
top-entities are recycled, and begin as photons, electrons, atoms, minerals
and or whatever else that is too small to be seen by the human eye. From
there on in all things find their way to the top again by means of different
routes...
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Hello Gerardus - Robert Here:
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Robert is responding here to the same Gee-Post.
For convenience sake I responded to all responses on this post.
G-man.
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Welcome back!
It is given out that the soul is in every cell of the Human body, sounds
good. This is why some like cremating as opposed to embalming, kind of get it
over with! But...
Hi Robert...
Yes, I feel that our "signature" is within all our cells and organs and this
is why we encounter the rejection of foreign organs and need to be doped up
to overcome this rejection. After a while I suppose enough of our own blood
supply will replenish the adopted organ and the body stops rejecting it...
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Robert here:
This is not a concern for senior citizens. What do you or I have that
some young stud would want? (They have no need of a brain)
Gerardus here:
About brains:
I have met lots who have a superior one compared to mine.
Yet, no one ever would want to interchange anyway I figure...
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Robert here:
In other words: We are too old to be donors, However not too old to be
carved up like a tough Xmas turkey by some med student and flushed down
a commode.
Gerardus here:
Not sure whether one could be too old to be a donor.
I have next to perfect eyes for example as long as I can find my glasses.
And what about my finger nails?
Christian Dior would be jealous if he saw them...
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Robert here:
Even so how many cells does one sacrifice when donating a liver etc.
considering the whole body?
Gerardus here:
Enough to die if you were still alive...
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Robert here:
I'm selfish, it's mine and I'm taking it with me!
Gerardus here:
Don't forget your slippers...
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Kate responding here:
Anyway, Gerardus, I'm with you on the no-organ-donation thoughtline.
I requested a donation form in 1980. Then became hesitant for just
such reasons and followed through with my intuition to just 'not fill
it out'. I got support 'mentally' from a different arena. I've heard
of some 'nightmares' some survivors had. Evidently, somehow they were
charged for the services of removing etc. etc. That was the final 'no-
no' for me, even tho the underlying cause was what you talked about.
Like you, I know nothing for sure............ but....
Hello Kate - Gerardus here:
Yes, I agree with you.
I feel that for 3D people human life is a combination of parts and chemicals
only. Once one becomes aware of the Oneness of Life, human life takes on a
different melody. In the mean time, choices ought to be left up to the
individual - 3D or 4D. After all, the body is an instrument and as long as
one is able to use it without too much discomfort, anything goes. I am not
against Organ Donations. We are here to experience the Human Condition. At
this particular period in time this might include a heart transplant or a
new liver. Still, personally I would not want to leave a signature-energy
behind if moving time would come along...
Still all in one piece - Gerardus
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Subject: Re: [4D-STO-C] Re: Organ Donations...
At 07:19 PM 8/31/2001 -0500, you wrote:
For years and years Ellen and I were slanted to donate our organs
upon the death of our bodies.
Our thinking about donating our organs has changed however. Suppose
for example that my body would die and some of my organs would be
used to replace the organs of a 3D person who is not destined to move
to 4D when the time comes, while the soul-energies I am do move to
4D. This would mean that some of my organs (some of my energies keep
existing in 3D) while I as a soul-energy would move to 4D
So, in order to prevent this situation, Ellen and I have rescinded
our organ donations.
Wondering - Gerardus
JoJo here:
In my opinion... If you donate your organs, that would have
more of an affect on the person receiving the organ than on you in
whatever density you go to
Shirl here:
Seems to me if you are STO candidate, donor is appropriate eh? If you are
thinking that your flesh holds certain frequencies that are "higher"
than.... But to refrain from donating is a self serving idea, STS, no
matter how you look at it.
Hi Shirl - Gerardus here:
You have very good points here!
However, all we can be in 3D is STS! I feel that as long as we kill to eat -
we are STS. Fair enough! Having said that, we do have the option of being
an STO Candidate. I am a bit fuzzy on organ donations and that's why our
discussions might clear my mind on this one...
In the mean time, as I see it, in many ways, it is semi-interfering with the
lives of others and feeding the Medical Society by having organs readily
available. As things are in our society, it is the way of 3D life at
present Whether or not we ought to agree with it all is another matter
altogether...
The entire idea changes naturally if a person offers an organ to a child,
niece or anyone else in need, within the human family. Then it becomes STO -
maybe. (Maybe!) It all depends on what the publicity behind it becomes. I
feel that things are never cut and dried so that we can say: this is what it
is! It's an individual thing. All in all, it is all a variation of 3D
living and adds up to just another experience. One way or the other - all
ways are right...
As I hear, we have come to the point where scientists are going to
breed/grow test-tube-babies for spare part and other projects. Is this the
way to do things? Do we need to grow human babies and then cut them to
pieces in order to fulfill the need of those how make money off it for those
who can afford it?
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Shirl here:
I tend to think there is a reality "pattern" if you will. Even if you cross
over with a thought form of this or that, the this or that will eventually
wisen up, whether with help or not, to better get online in the big picture.
Gerardus here:
What you say is true. My point is, why cross-over with something that needs
to be wizened up on the other side. Our actions now ought to be farsighted
enough to do it right...
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Shirl here:
As IS what we are doing now. I still tend to think that life's deeper
messages have to do with emptying rather than gaining., emptying what you
think that you know, which is limiting to the ntthhhh degree.
Gerardus here:
Emptying life's deeper meaning is what our discussions are all about I feel.
And even if our knowledge is limiting to the ntthhhh degree, it still might
be worthwhile to discuss and use what we do know to the maximum. I feel
that only by discussions like this and by the experiences of Life itself do
we gain the wisdom to continue to higher levels. Personally, as Gerardus, I
have no idea what else my Soul would want to learn in 3D and this is why I
would like to move on and up...
Although this 3D place is beautiful...
it also is pretty messy and limited in scope - Gerardus
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:11:39 -0700
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At 09:10 PM 9/4/2001 +0200, you wrote:
O.k. Gerardus
Here is a excerpt from one of the lectures of medium Eva Pierrakos.
Hopefully her(his?) english is better than mine!
Els
Eva here:
In your present state, a part of your innermost being is developed and
governs your thinking, feeling, willing, and acting. Other parts, still
in a lower state of development, also govern and influence your thinking,
feeling, willing, and acting. Thus you find yourself divided, which
always creates tension, pain, anxiety, and inner and outer
difficulties. Some aspects of your personality are in truth, others in
error and distortion.
The resulting confusion causes grave
disturbance. A person usually pushes one side out of the way and
identifies with the other. This superficial denial of part of what exists
cannot bring unification. Quite the contrary, it widens the split. What
must be done is to bring out the deviating, conflicting side and face it -
face the entire ambivalence. Only then will you find the ultimate reality
of your undivided, unified self. As you know, unification and peace
emerge to the degree that you recognize, accept, and understand the nature
of your inner conflict and split.
Gerardus here:
Thank you for Eva's quote Els!
This person speaks as if my innermost being is divided!
I do not agree with this thinking. (Sorry Eva!) My innermost being is fine
and whole! It is just that I as Gerardus possibly might not be able to
completely follow its directions, due to built in distortions. IOW: it's
Gerardus and other human beings, or the bodily forms, that introduce the
diversity and the variety of realities needed to make this world what it is
- a enormous mixed up world, but at all times a Celebration!
To create this world from the top down would be a mistake! Distorted
aspects of the Creative Force, like we are, also have to have their
input. This is what makes it interesting! IOW: Gerardus and all other
people, including their distortions are tailor made to make this all
work. Mankind, with all its misfits, functions as the representatives of
the Creative Force. And all is well or as it should be...
The following is what this person says:
Part of my innermost is developed and other parts are still in a lower
state of development. I disagree! We all are playing a role here and
Gerardus as well as anyone else in this world has a specific role to
fulfill. Gerardus, as a bodily being is made exactly as he should be in
order to pay this role. This means that there are a few "openings" within
the world's scenario, within which Gerardus exercises his free will and
uses his personal distorted choices to express himself. This is what he is
supposed to do - right or wrong. After all, he is the Creator in physical
form - like all other human beings are. In the mean time, the creator in
physical form includes ants and all other insects. Most of them are most
ingenious and creative geniuses. They make our day so to speak...
The built in possibility of free will in creativity and free choices in
expression make this world what it is. An interesting mixed up of
possibilities that could possibly drive one nuts, but so be it. The
intention is the make it varied and divers to the point of nutness...
Point is, how else could we have a world of diversity and surprises if
every person was perfect? The scenario would be boring as hell. It is the
diversity of the game and the sudden developments that give us, as well as
our Innermosts, experiences that make the game worthwhile. IOW: as I see
it - we are playing the game as it should be played and according to the
plan as outlined by our innermost beings. All this because there is the
introduction of free will and the personal distortions in expression that
make it a real game. An adventure in the physical! These introduced
variants are a must in order to make it interesting. If this was not so -
I do not think I would be done here...
Glory to my Innermost Being - the Perfect God I Am - Gerardus
(The perfection of Life is the allowance of imperfection)
((Feel free to send this to Eva if you like Els))
BTW:
Actually what Eva says is not much different than what I say, but she seems
to imply that we need to smarten up in order to go somewhere. She does not
see through the game we are playing here on Earth. I do not think there is
any place to go. The only thing to be done is to become aware of what is
going on where we are. The why and how of the moment is the clue...
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Subject: [wisdom-l] Some words to consider...
Some words to consider:
The world is a place where unconscious minds, called sleepers, grow up and awaken.
Most of these sleepers are born into religious families and they automatically
inherit the belief system of the family. Most human beings stick with their
beliefs for the rest of their lives...
Unconscious minds, or sleepers, are aspects of the Creator's Mind and are born
as human beings. These human beings live human lives until they have discovered
and/or realized who or what they really are. They are the Creator awakening to
its own Greatness. The human being, as an aspect of the unconscious Creator,
becomes conscious by living in Creation. It slowly but surely becomes aware who
or what it is --- the Creator in Human Form. Sons of God so to speak...
In order to awaken, the Creator in Human Form, goes through the most horrible
lives. This is so since other awakening aspects of the Creator are of different
beliefs and orientations. Disagreements between religions and orientations create
the world and all its unrests. This is the way things are! AND this is the way it
should be - for suffering awakens human beings. While they are suffering they
begin to ask: ---- Why is all this happening? Asking questions is the beginning
of the Awakening of the Soul. The Soul IS the Creator...
To escape from the human condition and promote oneself to a higher level of life
(Density Four) one must start to investigate what is going on in this world and
pierce its illusions. One must awaken! Not until then, will one be able to stay
away from Density Three and be born as a human being again and again and again
into all kinds of families with religions and belief systems that in the end all
turn out to be but stories...
- Gerardus
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At 07:11 PM 9/14/2001 +1200, you wrote:
Kate here:
Well, I kind of see what you are saying. But methinks, it is not the
case that we are all players. Those in the loop might be the players,
others are the figures (or the ones being played). E.g. Chess game,
the figures don't oversee the game, they are just being moved by the
players. And the players don't necessarily know the outcome. Of
course the figures could never even imagine what a game is.... they
just thinking ............. deeply................!
Fiona here:
Hi Kate - yes, very profound and thoughful. Yet don't you think that just
by being here in this now we are still players in the game, or may be
"witnesses" to the game, but players all the same one way or the other (I
see from your terminology above that you have been reading the Matrix
material. I am still only about half way thru Matrix 5 - must have a look
on their site to see if they have any comments on recent events).
Kate replying,
I'm kind of confused about your statement regarding 'my terminology and
Matrix material'. I have read Matrix III, second volume I think... about ELF
and mnd cntrl, that's it. What I wrote above is my own thinking and if the
same is in any matrix books then they must have got it from the same
think-tank as I did. Wherever or whatever that is? Eh, maybe I'm approaching
to become a player and am in training
Fiona here:
They talk about being in the "loop" in the Matrix books as well as on the
Leading Edge Trufax site. I know exactly what you mean when you use that
word and I like the expression. I recall another channeller used the same
word when talking about world leaders etc. those who were and were not "in
the loop". According to this channeller (and I can't remember who it was)
President Bush is not in "the loop" !! May be their loop and our loops are
different loops.
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Gerardus here:
Life on this world is like a movie. The good guys and bad guys play their
roles and create very interesting and dramatic events. When the movie is
finished, they all come together and have a drink in the local bar. They
laugh a lot, have fun and joke about the roles they played. They come to
the conclusion that the movie is really a comedy. The movie last forever
and the players change roles as often as they want. Needless to say that
all players get tired of the whole thing. Eventually they all move on to
more interesting worlds. In those worlds, they slowly discover, that they
are the Light projecting the infinite movie...
So Be It - Gerardus
Fiona here:
Yes, I like the last line - we are the light projecting the movie as well as
the movie itself. Being multidimensional, as we are, there could quite
likely be other aspects of ourselves more involved in the unfolding drama.
In which case they are having the front-line experience for us. Therefore
we are all getting the experience one way or another.
Then we go back to the old saying "we are all one" therefore how can we not
be involved in what is happening in all corners of our planet.
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Subject: [SC] Response to Deepak's Letter...
At 09:47 AM 9/14/2001 +0800, you wrote:
From Deepak Chopra:
The Deeper Wound
As fate would have it, I was leaving New York on a jet flight that took
off 45 minutes before the unthinkable happened. By the time we landed in
Detroit, chaos had broken out. When I grasped the fact that American
security had broken down so tragically, I couldn't respond at first. My
wife and son were also in the air on separate flights, one to Los Angeles, one
to San Diego. My body went absolutely rigid with fear. All I could think about
was their safety, and it took several hours before I found out that their
flights had been diverted and both were safe.
Strangely, when the good news came, my body still felt that it had been
hit by a truck. Of its own accord it seemed to feel a far greater trauma
that reached out to the thousands who would not survive and the tens of
thousands who would survive only to live through months and years of hell. And
I asked myself, Why didn't I feel this way last week? Why didn't my body go
stiff during the bombing of Iraq or Bosnia?
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From Gerardus Tros:
I have attempted to respond to the questions from Deepak Chopra
I also added additional comments to his excellent letter...
Here we go:
Your body did not go stiff at these occasions, because it did not happen in
the country in which you now live. I do not know how long you have lived in
the USA, but I regard it to be your home country. IOW: bombing anywhere else
- is just that - a happening. A happening that occurs when you sit at your
desk or are on the phone. One would not know about it until one hears it on
TV or Radio. Only when we have experienced something similar to bombings, or
being shot at, can we know what it feels like. Naturaly this is why all this
happened in the first place...
Deepak here:
Around the world my horror and
worry are experienced every day. Mothers weep over horrendous loss, civilians
are bombed mercilessly, refugees are ripped from any sense of home or homeland.
Why did I not feel their anguish enough to call a halt to it?
Gerardus here:
Because at that time you were not directly involved like many many other
millions of Americans. For the last 50 years or so, the USA has behaved like
a bully all around the world. It seemed to me that they tried to force
democracy upon others with violence. The USA is immensely powerful but not
very wise. Is this why these towers went down? I heard via the Media a
question asked by a ten year old girl, who said: What have we done to them
Mommy that these people are so mad at us? The American history of the past
five decades is the answer...
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Deepak here:
As we hear the calls for tightened American security and a fierce
military response to terrorism, it is obvious that none of us has any
answers.
Gerardus here:
The earth, a Third Density planet, is the planet of Cause and Effect. What
we do to Others we do to Ourselves. There are no billions of people on this
earth - there is but one Being - it is called Humanity! The answer is
forgiveness and NO revenge whatsoever. Violence begets violence. That is why
it has come home...
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Deepak here:
However, we feel compelled to ask some questions.
Everything has a cause, so we have to ask, What was the root cause of
this evil? We must find out not superficially but at the deepest
level. There is no doubt that such evil is alive all around the world
and is even celebrated.
Gerardus here:
So called evil (live spelled backwards) is alive and well in order to teach
all of us the Laws of Cause and Effect. We all need to learn that we must
live according to the following slogan: Behave as if you are the World and
Everybody in it! Until we have learned to do so - we will repeat this Third
Density - again and again...
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Deepak here:
Does this evil grow from the suffering and anguish felt by people we
don't know and therefore ignore? Have they lived in this condition for a
long time?
Gerardus here:
The human condition or human life in Third Density, contains the full gamut
of human experiences. This is the nature of Third Density. All of us in a
personal manner go through all of these experiences. It is like going
through grade three of elementary school. We learn all the lessons of grade
three before we pass on to grade four. Grade four for Humanity of the Fourth
Density. A density of a completely different energy environment. We will
not reach Fourth Density if we still have a mind-set of revenge or a nature
of violence. With a mind-set like that, we will repeat Third Density for
another universal period of a certain duration. This could be 12,500 or
more years. I am not sure how long it takes...
In addition:
Evil not necessarily grows from the suffering and anguish of a certain
people. But the interference of mankind with these people in general, upsets
the natural flow of evolution. Any imbalances will be experienced by the
those who interfered. There are other factors involved here as well. They
basically all come down to interference with the free will of others. We
must learn to tolerate the way things are and not interfere without being
asked. We all must learn this - including me. It is a hard lesson for most
of us are hell bend to help others without being asked. Cannot be done
without repercussion. This is the universal law of Free Will...
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Deepak here:
One assumes that whoever did this attack feels implacable hatred for
America. Why were we selected to be the focus of suffering around the
world?
Gerardus here:
I think I have answered that above.
In addition:
America is top Dog in the so called Free World.
What better way to get the dog than snipping its tail...
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Deepak here:
All this hatred and anguish seems to have religion at its basis. Isn't
something terribly wrong when jihads and wars develop in the name of God?
Isn't God invoked with hatred in Ireland, Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan,
Israel, Palestine, and even among the intolerant sects of America?
Gerardus here:
God cannot be invoked for there is no God as Such! The only god that is -
is the God that lives within all of us. It is the Light Within. There is no
Light "out there" or "up there"! The Light Within is the One Light and it
experiences all we experience. By means of these experiences it awakens to
Itself (A living Christ)...
The awakening of the Light Within is the only purpose for living in matter
bodies. Only our experiences in human bodies can do this for us! This is
why humans go through the gamut of experiences as mentioned above.
Apparently, these expereinces include the ones experienced by Americans and
the world at present. In the mean time, religious fanatics are being "used"
to teach us the lessons that are needed to awaken. Awakening means
Understanding - Understanding is Love...
Note:
What is seen and experienced as Love in our world is mostly attachment.
Attachment is an emotional thing. It has nothing to do with Universal Love.
Love is Understanding! The understanding that we are One - One Humanity -
One Human Light - or Christness - or Buddhahood. To commit more violence,
of any kind, will mean that those who commit it or take revenge, will miss
the boat to Fourth Density. We must become an Observer and let's others do
as they may...
---------------------------------
Deepak here:
Can any military response make the slightest difference in the
underlying cause? Is there not a deep wound at the heart of humanity?
Gerardus here:
Any military response will make no difference whatsoever in the workings of
our world in Third Density. It will mean more violence - either delayed or
immediately! The law of Cause and Effect is patient and it will come into
effect upon the synchronicity of the proper circumstances. This could be
10,000 years from today. The Play of Cause and Effect will complete itself...
The deep wounds of humanity are self-inflicted wounds and can only be healed
by forgiveness. Meaning no revenge! Instead of revenge, it would be better
to send the parties involved - Gift of Forgiveness. Send them Groceries and
Wine instead of bombs! It is a lot less costly as well...
Note:
I wrote a piece about this some years ago when
the Gulf War was taking place. If you want it - ask.
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Deepak here:
If there is a deep wound, doesn't it affect everyone?
When generations of suffering respond with bombs, suicidal attacks, and
biological warfare, who first developed these weapons? Who sells them? Who gave
birth to the satanic technologies now being turned against us? If all of us are
wounded, will revenge work?
Gerardus here:
When people respond with bombs - they will receive bombs or violence. This
is the Law! As to who first developed the biological weapons is of no
concern to anyone walking the non-violent path. Much can be accomplished by
walking this path, as Gandhi has shown us in the past...
--------------------------------
Deepak here:
Will punishment in any form toward anyone solve the
wound or aggravate it? Will an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and limb
for a limb, leave us all blind, toothless and crippled?
Gerardus here:
It will indeed leave all those in favor of revenge blind and crippled. Not
only will it give them a crippled body - their Soul will be crippled as
well. Meaning, they will need to stay in Third Density for another long
round of lifetimes in order to be healed...
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Deepak here:
Tribal warfare has been going on for two thousand years and has now
been magnified globally. Can tribal warfare be brought to an end? Is
patriotism and nationalism even relevant anymore, or is this another
form of tribalism?
Gerardus here:
Patrioism indeed is Tribalism in a big way. It is outdated and means limited
insight! Warfare is the very nature of the Third Density. Period! It
possibly has been going on for millions of years. It is the nature of the
animal body we live in. This is what needs to be mastered by the Soul.
Reason over Emotion. Heart over Mind. Understanding over Revenge.
Light over Darkness...
----------------------------
Deepak here:
What are you and I as persons going to do about what is happening?
Can we afford to let the deeper wound fester any longer?
Gerardus here:
Life in the body is an individual affair. We are only responsible for
ourselves! This is the nature of the Plane of Separation - the Plane of
Earth. We are not responsible for what our brother, our neighbor or our
government does. Therefore, it is up to each one of us to do as we see fit...
Forgiveness and no revenge is my choice! Not necessarily will this be the
choice of many others. So be it! We are all in different stages of
evolvement or awareness. This does not mean that one person is better or
worse than another. We are all equal but different. We all play different
roles in what could be called the Play of God as Man, or the Manifestation
of Life on Earth as the Creator-Individualized...
Forgiveness and no revenge does not mean that we cannot prevent future
tragedies. However, no violence must be involved. This is difficult but can
be done by means of the co-operation of other countries. If this is not
possible, additional necessary security must be utilized. But no violence...
Deepak here:
Everyone is calling this an attack on America, but is it not a rift in
our collective soul? Isn't this an attack on civilization from without that
is also from within?
Gerardus here:
It is an Attack on America, but in actuality, it is an attack on the
civilized world and its so called freedom. It is caused by a rift within our
collective Soul, for all manifested actions are created by mankind's
collective consciousness or awareness. It is a wake-up call to all of
mankind, to realize again, that we live in the End of Times. It well might
be the last opportunity to align with our Light Within. The choice is ours
and it does not depend upon what others choose...
Deepak here:
When we have secured our safety once more and cared for the wounded,
after the period of shock and mourning is over, it will be time for soul
searching. I only hope that these questions are confronted with the deepest
spiritual intent.
Gerardus here:
Any time of the day and/or any time of our individual Lives is the time for
Soul searching. To do this sporadically is denying the Light within as a
constant. This Light is always within us for we are this Light - Body, Mind
and Soul!
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Deepak here:
None of us will feel safe again behind the shield of military
might and stockpiled arsenals. There can be no safety until the root cause is
faced.
Gerardus here:
Facing the root cause is facing ourselves! We can only do this on an
individual basis. As the saying goes: We have seen the enemy and they are
us! We must look within and the message is not - to turn to God as the
religions tell us. We must turn to forgiveness! Yet, this does not mean
that we can speak for others - others must do what they must do - Life is an
individual Affair.
Deepak here:
In this moment of shock I don't think anyone of us has the answers. It
is imperative that we pray and offer solace and help to each other. But if you
and I are having a single thought of violence or hatred against anyone in the
world at this moment, we are contributing to the wounding of the world.
Gerardus here:
WELL SAID!!
In addition I would like to mention that God is not a Listener. God is an
Allower! God is a Waiter and an Allower. It sees all, for we are this God,
living within our matter body, we have accepted this body in order to awaken
our Light or Soul to Enlightened Horizons upon all future worlds and days to
come...
Blessings and Smiles - Gerardus
(Thank you Deepak)
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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:53:58 -0700
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At 08:00 PM 9/17/2001 -0500, you wrote:
We find ourselves in an awkward position just now. We are shocked, saddened
and outraged by the most recent acts of terrorism which killed thousands of
innocents. At the same time, if we can lift ourselves above the red daze of
vengeance, we are shocked, saddened and outraged by the prospect of the
inevitable deaths of many more innocents in our equally inevitable attempt
to "punish" the terrorists. We don't want terrorism and we don't want war,
and one or the other or both seem inevitable. What to do!?
Hello Red - Gerardus here:
The answer to what to do is easy - it's a personal choice! We cannot decide
what others should or must do. We can only decide for ourselves. In the mean
time, it might well mean that the majority is for revenge and whatever that
entails down the line. So Be IT! Personally I forgive and am at peace...
I have been looking at the world for 73 years now, and just about everywhere
I have seen a continuous suffering. The conclusion I have come to is this:
struggle, war and suffering is the NATURE of this plane of manifestation -
it is the NATURE of Earth or living on it. It is the result of the Law of
Cause and Effect. This is a Universal Law and cannot be broken. BUt we are
all in a position to make a choice - a personal choice. It is enough. It is
your Life - it is your Choice - let your Soul chose wisely...
If you chose Violence - it will track you down. If you chose Peace you are
Home Free. Yes, your body might die anyway - so what? No one lives forever!
But the chances are that you will not have to come back to this plane of
suffering and do it all over again for another batch of lifetimes...
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Red here:
We find ourselves in much the same position as did Arjuna, the central
figure of an ancient story, the Bhagavad Gita. He was a member of one
branch of a royal family which was divided over who should rule the shared
kingdom. The dispute between the opposing branches of the family had
escalated to war. Arjuna asks Krishna, his charioteer, to take him to the
middle of the battlefield to survey the two armies arrayed to clash. Even
though he feels he is on the side of righteousness (and has God incarnated
as Krishna "on his side"), he is totally dismayed at the prospect of going
to war against his cousins, his beloved uncle, his revered teachers and
countless other relatives. He is shocked, saddened and outraged at the evil
that has brought things to this state, and at the carnage which will
inevitably follow. Sound familiar?
Arjuna is a member of the 'Kshatrya' caste in his society. This is like the
Samurai, the warrior or military class. It is his 'dharma' or duty to fight
for righteousness.
Gerardus here:
Righteousness? Was is righteousness to fight and bombs the Koreans?? Are
we aware of how this war was started and the phoniness of it?? Were we
deluded by the USA Government then?? Ask yourself and/or investigate. Was
Pearl Harbour really a surprise?? You will be most ammazed once you know
the true story. It even was shown on movie. Remember the movie JFK? Did
Oswald kill him? Who is lying here? Who killed JFK's brother? Can't find
his name right now...
What was the Vietnam War all about?? To fight against Communism?? What was
accomplished by that war and all the millions of tons of bombs that were
dropped there?? How many so called innocent people died in order to fill
the pockets of the Weapon's Industries??
What was accomplished in Somalia?? What was accomplished in all the other
places, cities and towns that were bombed in Bosnia?? What was EVER
accomplished by any war?? Who financed WW2?? Aha! The ruling classes make
money and gain power at the cost of the little guy. Do you want to make that
choice again?
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Red here:
As we read reports of the thousands fleeing Afghanistan, we see in the
disruption of those many lives, yet another aspect of the collateral damage
of terrorism. We know that it is right to strive to rid the world of this
evil, yet, if we are honest, we are dismayed that we must do so by more
killing. We may recall the words of the grief-stricken Rodney King, "Can't
we all just get along!?"
Gerardus here:
If and when the American People and the People of the so called Free World
look into their Soul, they will find that they have treated the world in the
last 50 years with unkindness and settled every dispute with violence. Well,
the violence has come home and we are told that innocent victims were
killed? There are no innocent victims in a Universal System of Cause and
Effect. We all get what we deserve - it's as simple as that. The choices we
make today - will determine what we get in the future. We all create our own
reality...
YES! There were also many acts of kindness by the USA and the World towards
their so called lesser brothers. But in general they do NOT outweigh the
violent actions that took place against them. Is my scale off? Investigate
and find out. Just stand still for a moment and ponder why these terrorist
got into these planes in the first place. The security in the last ten years
was a fake. A story that was believed by the masses. IOW: the entire WTC was
a set up. It was supposed to happen. Why was this so?
--------------------------------
Red here:
We may be tempted to fall into the too-easy duality of "us" and "them" and
pretend that if we can get rid of the terrorists this time, then
"everything will be all right" and we can go back to business as usual.
It's not that simple, and, thankfully, most of us are not that
simple-minded either. The "problem of violence" is not limited to a few
"evil terrorists". It is an aspect of humanity, and that's the good news in
this sorry scenario. We are all part of humanity, and every step we take to
rid ourselves of the evil of violence moves all of humanity toward
righteousness.
Gerardus here:
It would move humanity toward peace!! I am not sure that it would move all
of humanity to righteousness. We must remember here that the world and the
universe is a balance between the so called "good" and "evil" polarities.
That is the way things ARE and always will be! The balance between this
polarities create the experiences we need in order to promote ourselves
"OUT" of this plane of manifestation. Earth is a *prison* into which we
re-incarnate again and again and again until we know how to escape. IOW: we
all need to promote ourselves by the knowledge we gain and the choices we
make. We must see through the illusion of it - we must see through the
lies...
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Red here:
>At one level, we are simply spectators to the events unfolding now on the
>world stage, and can only hope that our hired warriors will behave
>honorably. But at a deeper more personal level, a level where we CAN make a
>difference, we are in the chariot with Krishna, on our own battlefield.
Gerardus here:
Yes, but our "battle field" is the very "choice" we make. Our choice IS our
battle! It is the battle of our Soul - and a choice of non-violence is our
Soul speaking. We may also follow the Forces of Revenge! There are no
sidelines here! There are no spectators! We chose in mind and say - let
things be as they are - but I have chosen. I chose to forgive...
We do not have to ride in the Chariot of Violence. The story of Krishna and
his disciple is a story that is as old as the world so to speak. Where does
this story come from - who wrote it and for what purpose??? Big questions
here! Is the story written for the benefit of others?? Is that why things
are still the same? Everyone follows it. Violence creating violence! I do
NOT agree with the story of Krishna and his advise. Millions probably do.
I do not! If and when I make my choices non-violent - my future lives will
be non-violent. Again - we all create our own realities. Life is a
self-made bed!
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Red here:
>It may not be easy, right away, to know what is the higher ideal, but we
>can all be easily aware of when we are acting for our own, personal
>satisfaction.
>
>Let us be calm and listen to our higher guidance.
Gerardus here:
To be calm and listen to our higher guidance is wise advise Red!
My higher guidance says:
NO revenge and No violence...
Just protect yourself with security measures if you like!
Is that why I am at peace and feel safe? - Gerardus
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Continuing Commentary on the WTC Attacks
David McGowan
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September 16, 2001
"Nothing just happens in politics...
If something happens you can be sure it was planned that way."
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
It seems as though more people have been watching the Discovery
Channel than the planners of the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon
may have accounted for. A good number of people are questioning
exactly why the collapse of the towers looked so much like a
controlled implosion. Anyone who has seen a documentary clip of a
building being professionally demolished using explosive charges
couldn't help but be struck by the remarkable similarity.
One demolition and explosives expert from New Mexico has already gone
public with his suspicions that the building was deliberately
imploded. Architects and engineers who designed the building were at
a loss to explain how it could react in such a manner. One expert,
prompted by his interviewer to comment on if more steel in the
structure could have prevented the tragedy, could only say that it
was hard to imagine how any more steel could have been incorporated
into any structure.
And it was, as we all know, not just one tower that literally
crumbled before our very eyes, but both of them in identical fashion.
As I myself was pondering that rather curious fact, I stumbled upon
yet another article giving a first-person report on the tragedy. This
particular account concerned an architecture student, who viewed the
unfolding drama from across the bay.
Some of his first thoughts - after the buildings had been struck, but
before they disappeared - were that it would be difficult, if not
impossible, to fight a fire at that height, and that it would without
question be impossible to repair the damaged building. He found
himself pondering what would become of the imposing towers, being no
longer fit to be occupied. And then, of course, they just sort of
vanished.
Suddenly the plan began to come into focus. The initial crashes and
explosions, which were essential for the shock value of being so
utterly audacious, would necessarily destroy the buildings. It would
have therefore been necessary, at some time in the future, to implode
the buildings. Why not then include it as part of the show?
It seems a little odd that the period of time that elapsed between
the suicide bombings and the implosions appears to have been just
about the amount of time that it took to evacuate the buildings. That
could account for why the casualty figures have been, assuming that
they are being accurately reported, remarkably low.
It could also account for why the first tower to crumble was not the
first one hit. According to claims made by some avenues of the media,
the collapses were the result of the structures being weakened by the
fires, with the upper stories essentially pancaking down upon the
buildings and the underlying floors giving way to the collective
weight of the chain reaction.
But if this were true, wouldn't it be expected that the first tower
hit, which had been burning for nearly twenty minutes longer, would
be the first to collapse? Of course, it would also be expected that
the second tower, having the benefit of beginning evacuation twenty
minutes before utter chaos reigned, would be the first to be emptied
out. Quite a lucky break then that it was the first to fall.
To stir up as much outrage as possible, it was of course necessary to
get footage of the crashes themselves, as well as the implosions,
although it seems a little odd that the first crash was recorded so
professionally, as if someone was waiting for it camera in hand. That
footage, of course, has incalculable propaganda value.
Propaganda is certainly something that we have seen a lot of in the
last week. The sheer volume of, and the monotony of, the media
coverage has been astounding. Every station across the television
dial playing the same footage and providing the same unquestioning
commentary continuously, around the clock, from the moment the first
plane hit the tower.
The media barrage is unavoidable. Absurdly large headlines scream out
from every newspaper and magazine, and every radio station seems to
sound the same. There is no escape. And there is likely a reason for
that. Somewhere in the halls of power, there just may be an awareness
that the official story of the 'terrorist' attacks isn't very
convincing.
It isn't by chance that there is nothing else to be found on the
television dial beyond images of planes crashing into buildings. It
was reported on Saturday that the networks had been demonstrating
what was said to be an unusually high level of cooperation during
this crisis. They've actually been talking amongst themselves to
decide how long the bombardment of the national consciousness should
go on.
It has likely been deemed necessary to browbeat the country into
accepting the unlikely scenario that is being passed off as fact. It
is the media's job at this point to prevent the people, as much as
possible, from actually thinking for themselves. And with such
extensive coverage, haven't our news commentators already thought
everything out for us anyway?
Apparently not, as people seem to be scurrying about the Internet
like cockroaches, trying desperately to snatch up any little morsel
of information that the media are holding back on - trying to make
sense of a story that makes no inherent sense.
Some additional details have been added that appear to be an attempt
to bolster some of the more flimsy aspects of the official story.
After reports began to air that home-made knives were the weapon of
choice, it was quickly added that bomb threats were made on at least
some of the flights. But does that really add to the credibility of
the story?
If a guy waving a "knife-like" object claims to have a bomb in a box,
would he be believed? Would it seem credible that a someone who
couldn't get anything more threatening than a razor blade on-board
had somehow smuggled aboard an unseen bomb? And if pulling off such a
bluff was so easy to do, shouldn't we have seen some other hijackings
in the last decade?
Some reports have claimed that cellular telephone calls coming from
the doomed flights, allegedly caught on tape, confirm the official
story. If true, this raises a number of interesting questions. The
first of these is: if these tapes in fact exist, then why haven't we
heard them? Why, with wall-to-wall coverage of this great American
tragedy, have these harrowing tapes not been burned indelibly into
the American psyche?
Such tapes would obviously have considerable propaganda value in
further inflaming the passions of the masses and promoting the
genocidal agenda being pursued. Strange then that we haven't been
treated to the poignant final words of some of the victims of this
mass murder. The media certainly weren't shy about airing such gut-
wrenching footage as the images of hapless victims leaping to their
certain deaths.
Why then haven't we heard the farewell messages of the passengers
aboard the suicide flights? Strange also that some of those alleged
calls just happened to be placed to one of the most notorious members
of the current administration, Solicitor General Theodore Olson
(see "A Supreme Injustice," Parts I and II).
There is also the question of how such tapes would even exist. There
are two possibilities here, and both of them have rather disturbing
implications. The first is that all cellular communications are
routinely recorded, which would speak volumes about the state
of 'democracy' in this country. The other possibility is that calls
coming from the hijacked aircraft were specifically monitored. That
of course raises the obvious question of why, if the flights were
being so closely monitored, they were nevertheless allowed to proceed
unimpeded to their intended targets.
It has been reliably reported that it was known fairly early on that
the flights had been hijacked. It was also known (even though the
transponders were disabled, by someone with a high degree of
technical knowledge) that the planes had changed their flight path.
It is inconceivable then that the wayward flights were not being
tracked and monitored.
According to the official timelines that have appeared in the New
York and Los Angeles Times, by 8:15-8:20 AM, air traffic controllers
had received clear indications that flight 11 out of Boston, in
flight for just twenty minutes, had been hijacked - the aircraft's
transponder had been shut off and the pilot was not responding to
radio calls.
By 8:28 AM, the aircraft had radically changed course and there was
no question that the flight had been hijacked, a fact acknowledged by
the FAA. By this time, flight 175 out of Boston and flight 77 out of
Dulles were also in the air. Just two minutes later, flight 175
deviated from its flight path as well, indicating that it had also
been hijacked.
It was still nearly a half-an-hour before the first plane would plow
into the WTC, and there were already very clear indications that this
wasn't a normal day for air traffic in America. Two civilian
passenger planes had been hijacked simultaneously, an unprecedented
occurrence, and yet no action was immediately taken to avert the
tragedy that was to come.
At 8:38 AM, the Air Defense Command was allegedly first notified of
the hijacking of flight 11, twenty minutes after air traffic
controllers first became aware of that fact. Reports give no
indication that notification was given at that time that the second
flight had changed course as well. Five more minutes passed before
the military was informed by the FAA of the second hijacking.
At 8:45 AM, flight 11 crashed into the north tower of the WTC. Ten
minutes later, flight 77 abruptly turned around and turned off its
transponder. Three flights were then known to have been hijacked,
with two still in the air and one having already spectacularly
crashed into a heavily occupied building. The most technologically
advanced and militarily prepared nation on earth proceeded to sit on
its hands.
After ten more minutes had passed, flight 175 crashed even more
spectacularly into the south WTC tower. There was absolutely no
question at that point that this was a serious national emergency.
Flight 93 out of Newark had by then radically changed course as well,
clearly indicating that yet a fourth aircraft had been hijacked and
was a potential guided missile.
With New York's most visible landmark in flames and two hijacked
flights in the air, America's formidable national security apparatus
sat idle. By 9:10 AM, the Pentagon's radar had reportedly picked up
flight 77, which was still a half-an-hour away from plowing into what
is described as the military's nerve center.
At 9:25 AM, the FAA purportedly notified Air Defense that flight 77
was heading for Washington, though radar had determined that fact
fifteen minutes earlier and it had been known for a full half-hour
that the plane had turned around and headed back east. At 9:35, two F-
16 fighter jets were scrambled, at least an hour and twenty minutes
after the first flight had been hijacked and nearly an hour after it
had crashed.
The jets were dispatched, appropriately enough, from Langley Air
Force Base, which isn't so much an 'Air Force' base as it is the base
of the CIA's own private fleet of military aircraft. The Pentagon was
struck just minutes later, some fifteen minutes before the F-16s
arrived on the scene, but nearly an hour-and-a-half after the rash of
hijackings began.
A steady stream of talking heads have taken to the airwaves to claim
that no contingency plans were in place for such an attack. Despite
decades of military planning for every possible type of attack on
these shores, and despite hundreds of billions of dollars spent on
air and civil defenses, no one - we are to believe - ever envisioned
such an assault.
We are not talking here, it should be noted, about some type of
technologically advanced 'terrorist' tactic that should have caught
the supposed guardians of our national security off-guard. The use of
aircraft as guided missiles has been a technique of warfare that has
existed since airplanes became a part of the world's military
arsenal.
To no one's surprise, the first name mentioned as a suspect, before
the first shards of glass hit the pavement from the impact of the
first plane, was everyone's favorite bogeyman, Osama bin Laden. He
is, as our media have been telling us for years, responsible for
every act of barbarism committed in the last decade, so why wouldn't
he be behind this as well?
Though a mind-boggling amount of media coverage has been devoted to
demonizing our all-purpose prime suspect, there seems to be a number
of things about bin Laden that the media insist on ignoring - such as
that he is almost entirely a creature of our own making. As any
number of more honest journalists (as well as MSNBC) have pointed
out, it was our very own CIA that armed, trained and funded his
organization during our escapades in Afghanistan.
In fact, there is certainly a possibility that we are still doing so
today. After all, he makes such a great villain, and of course having
a readily available villain is absolutely essential for scaring the
American people into line and justifying obscenely high military and
intelligence budgets. It's not like we have the 'Evil Empire'
anymore. And Fidel is getting a little long in the face to make much
of a credible villain.
As some reports have noted, bin Laden has very close ties to the
Saudi royal family. What none of these reports note though is that
the Saudi regime was installed decades ago in a coup sponsored by
lifetime intelligence asset Allen Dulles, working with British
intelligence asset Jack Philby.
The country, which is essentially a family-run oil conglomerate, has
largely been an American puppet-state ever since then. So if bin
Laden is still functioning as a covert U.S. intelligence asset, he
likely has a lot of company in his social circles.
It was interesting the other day to watch one of the talking heads on
TV let slip the fact that Harvard University had just recently
accepted a $1,000,000+ donation from Osama's brother to establish a
scholarship chair, or some such thing. The news anchor, who I believe
was Dan Rather nearing the end of a marathon run, stammered about for
some suitable response to that revelation. He didn't come up with
one.
I like to watch Dan when I want to get the real scoop on what's going
on in the world. I know I can trust Dan to deliver the truth. I know
that because he was the first journalist allowed to view the Zapruder
film, long before the public had seen it, and he dutifully reported
to the nation that the film showed President Kennedy's head snapping
forward when the fatal shot hit.
Dick Cheney made his first appearance before the American people
today. I hadn't seen him all week and I was beginning to wonder if he
hadn't taken the opportunity to have another one of those minor
little surgical heart procedures done. Then I realized that he was
just laying low to give Bush a much-needed chance to try and
look 'presidential,' as the press is fond of saying.
Dick was on the airwaves claiming that the White House had received
what he said was a "credible threat" that Air Force 1 was one of the
potential targets that the 'terrorists' were aiming for. This has to
be the most ridiculous claim that has yet been made. How could any
such threat, even if it were actually made, ever be considered
credible?
We are talking here, after all, about an unarmed, civilian passenger
plane. Was there really ever any danger of it eluding Air Force 1's
military escorts - state of the art fighter aircraft - and plowing
broadside into the presidential plane? First of all, the 'terrorists'
would have had to know precisely where it was.
Unlike the World Trade Center towers, Air Force 1 isn't a stationary
target. And it's a really big sky out there. The last time I checked,
it wasn't standard procedure to post the coordinates and the flight
path of AF 1 on the Internet. And even if it was, a civilian airliner
doesn't exactly have the capability to track and hone in on those
coordinates.
So this little fable of Cheney's was a rather obvious fabrication
whose intent was clearly to create the illusion that an assassination
attempt had been made on our president, thereby creating some kind
of 'rally around our leader' effect - all part of the plan to herd
the American people behind our fearless leader as he is given
unprecedented authority to wage war anywhere in the world that suits
the interests of corporate America.
The U.S. military response won't be long in coming and will arrive
with a vengeance. It's always best to strike, as they say, while the
iron is hot. There's no sense in whipping up all this blood-lust
among the American people if you don't use that emotion that has been
generated. What we will likely see is a massive, multi-pronged
military venture.
Who it is aimed at doesn't really seem to matter. The headline above
a column in the L.A. Daily News on Sunday read: "It's Time to Strike,
Not Compare: We Know Well Enough Who the Perpetrators Are." Well, I
guess if we know well enough, then by all means let the bombing
begin.
The funny thing is, this country's military response will look for
all the world as though it had been carefully planned and mapped-out
over many years. But we will all know that that isn't the case,
because no one knew these attacks were coming until a few days ago.
The other funny thing is, even as we are showcasing for the world
exactly what a wholesale assault on human life years of bloated
military/intelligence budgets can buy, commentators will continue to
talk of how we left ourselves vulnerable to this attack by neglecting
the military and intelligence sectors for years. And the people will
stare at their TVs and nod in agreement.
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Gerardus here:
Ruppert says: all rights reserved - Fine. But if you can read it on the net
you
can read it here. The background he has on his pages, makes it hard to read
for me. So I put it on a white background and sent it to those who have the
same trouble I have...
I hope you like it - Gerardus
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World War III - 'This Was Not An Intelligence Failure'
By Michael C. Ruppert
From: http://www.rense.com/general14/intel.htm
mruppert@copvcia.com
>From The Wilderness
www.copvcia.com
© 2001 All Rights Reserved
9-24-1
Some of us will come out of the shock sooner than others. Some of us will
acknowledge the fear and the hurt sooner than others. Sooner or later we all
will feel the pain. But the unfolding of events following the September 11
attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon will wait for none of us.
I do not rely on the fifteen or so times that I have seen the term "World
War III" used by major publications like the New York Times. I rely on my
knowledge of how the U.S. military, intelligence and economic infrastructure
will respond to a given set of circumstances. In this case, the relevant
context for these tragedies had developed long before last Tuesday's events.
Only a few, as yet, grasp the dynamics already in motion that will almost
certainly produce a long and protracted war, as well as huge economic and
perhaps physical dislocations in the United States and around the world.
Additional attacks on Americans are almost a certainty, even -- as I am
about to describe -- a necessity. The rhetoric from President Bush and his
Administration contains messages for the American people, which they do not
yet grasp, and for terrorist organizations, which they most certainly do.
"This is a war and it will not be a short war."
"This will not be over quickly."
"We have a war plan that will work, over whatever period of time it
requires."
"There will be many casualties. The military is prepared for that."
"This is not just an effort to get bin Laden. This is a war to wipe
out terrorism all over the world."
"We are not thinking just in terms of a few air strikes.
Ground troops will be involved.
And some of them will die."
"We will go after terrorism wherever terrorism threatens the United States."
"Americans need to be prepared for more sacrifices and more casualties."
"Just removing bin Laden won't suffice. We are going after terrorism in all
of the countries where it resides."
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Note by Gerardus here:
That means at home too George. There are lots of people who see through this.
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The last statement is the first great lie of this war. As the U.S.
government has announced its partnership with the drug-financed government
of Pakistan, which has supported terrorist groups from the Middle East to
the Balkans, to China, to Southeast Asia, the deception begins. Indeed,
after Afghanistan, Pakistan should have been the first great enemy in this
war. It's long support of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan ended only as
the Taliban destroyed most of that nation's opium crop in February of this
year. As in every conflict since World War II, the drug trade will now see a
new day of freedom.
And I guarantee that terrorist groups are well aware of one fact that we, as
Americans, have not yet grasped. George W. Bush carries on his shoulder the
political memory of a father who waged a war against Sadam Hussein and then
left him in power. He can afford no such image in the current context and
the military he commands must become engaged in a do or die battle. They
too, will accept no less.
That said, the terrorist groups in or from Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Libya,
Syria, the Sudan, Yemen, Jordan, Algeria, Somalia, Turkey, Chechnya,
Uzbekistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Germany, Ireland, France,
Spain, Italy, Albania, Peru, Colombia, Ecuador and Mexico know that they are
now in a "use it or lose it" position. For, not knowing where and when the
industrialized nations may strike, they now realize that almost any action
against any political group will go unchallenged in the world press. Even
separatist groups not posing an immediate threat can be conveniently
eliminated in the months and perhaps years to come. As evidenced by the
almost immediate admission of China into the World Trade Organization, after
15 years of unsuccessful attempts, the warp drive for globalization -
unfettered by any need to respond to public opinion - has now been engaged.
The most cynical part of me hopes that the headline for this war will not
be, "The G-8 Wipes Out Poverty." In this model I must say that the long
discussed, but rarely acknowledged, alleged plans for massive global
population reduction are no longer a "back burner" issue.
Therefore, in this context, the American people must expect additional
attacks that may even include biological warfare or nuclear devices on
American soil. And these attacks, already being hinted at by the
Administration, will serve an additional purpose. Two days after the attacks
every street and highway was a sea of American flags. Now, a week after the
attacks - at least in Los Angeles - they are hard to find. Whether we admit
it or not, what the vast majority of the American people really want is for
this to go away. Only sustained attacks on the American people will provide
George W. Bush with the political mandate to wage the war he has committed
to fight - to the bitter end. As the economic impact sinks in, and as
Americans feel the pain in their wallets, the willingness of American
citizens to experience the carnage that has been raging around the world for
decades - in the name of prosperity and for the benefit of the G-8's largest
corporations - is, in my opinion, a big question mark.
Do not expect a quick
recovery in the stock market based upon emotion. As we describe in this
issue, the fundamental weaknesses in the U.S. economy were not blown up with
these attacks. And the markets, if they can still be called that, are driven
by one 800 pound guerilla above all others - earnings. With the exception of
defense contractors, there is absolutely nothing hopeful to report and I,
for one, cannot and refuse to be an advocate for investing in the
destruction of the planet.
The United States has many enemies. It is the economic enemies that warrant
the most scrutiny now because the perception that America is the safest
place in the world in which to invest foreign capital has been dealt a huge
blow. Further blows will come with further attacks and this exposes the fine
line that the Administration must walk. Without more attacks at home, the
bold gambit of George Bush, et al will fail for lack of political support.
With them, the world may eventually conclude that the United States is
economically expendable as nations look to their own interests. Too much
economic blood in the water will start a feeding frenzy.
In the major media, in the alternative media, in Congress and around the
world the context now provides the opportunity for great lights with
courageous souls to emerge and to lead. We are walking a fine line on a
precipice that may lead to Armageddon or, please God, something better. The
Bush Administration is not equipped with a repertoire of responses
sufficient to navigate the long term perils. We must dig and find something
better within ourselves.
We are living in a whole New World. We just don't know what it looks like
yet.
___
The U.S. Had Advance Warning And Could Have Acted -- This Was Not An
Intelligence "Failure".
To grasp the meaning of the events of 9-11-01, it is critical to go past the
widely acknowledged reports that the U.S. had general warnings of a
terrorist attack and to look for evidence that the U.S. government had
specific warnings of attacks on airports and aircraft. Further, the task is
to look for any warnings that signaled the size and scope of the attack and
went beyond the vagaries that we have become used to. These will provide the
clues needed to understand that the devastating attacks of Sept. 11 served a
distinct purpose for the Bush Administration and those in control of the
U.S. economy. Given this year's revelations on The History Channel --
including classified documents and the on-camera testimony of intelligence
officers -- that the U.S. knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl
Harbor, and allowed it to happen in order to bring the country into World
War II, we cannot be so blind as to overlook evidence that it has happened
again.
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Gerardus here:
I agree to that immediately! I was a set up like anything we see these days.
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Leaving aside the intelligence reports that are still secret and will likely
remain so, and remembering the fact that the Federal Bureau of Investigation
had undercover informants working hand in glove with those who perpetrated
the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, a preliminary review of solid
information showing that this attack could have been prevented is only the
beginning of what must remain an essential line of inquiry.
It is premature to jump to conclusions about the rapidity with which the FBI
has gathered essential information. I used the word information, instead of
intelligence or evidence. Evidence is gathered for the court room.
Intelligence is the results of a process done at CIA to evaluate information
from various sources. Understanding the differences between work done by the
FBI and the CIA is a key to understanding the US counter-terrorist work.
Hence, use end-result thinking to interpret any counter terrorist discussion
and effort.
Any notice of a potential or alleged terrorist act has a well established
procedure for its handling. According to a reliable source, the United
States government, especially the intelligence community in the early
1980's, had established a clearly defined procedure for handling notices of
threat. The State Department was the lead coordinator and member
intelligence community agencies participated in evaluations. The key is that
everyone understood that the information might be untrue. That is, the
information was still circulated and disseminated to the community so that
protective measures might be considered if justified. That last word
considered was deferred to the agency involved.
However, one thing is certain, based upon what is now known. By itself,
neither the CIA nor the FBI can claim that a lack of resources or human
intelligence prevented them from predicting this attack. Indeed, there is
credible but preliminary and circumstantial information, that certain
segments of Wall Street and the U.S. financial community did know of the
pending attack. There is also evidence that the U.S. government already had
the technical expertise to know what was coming and was likely using it at
the time the attacks occurred.
The Cayman Islands - MS-NBC reported on September 14 that a caller to a
radio talk show made several warnings of an imminent attack by Osama bin
Laden against American Airlines.
Germany - On September 14, the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine
Zeitung (FAZ) reported that "U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received
warning signals at least three months ago that Middle eastern terrorists
were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack
important symbols of American and Israeli culture."
According to a report filed by the Post-Newsweek information service, "The
FAZ, quoting unnamed German Intelligence sources, said that the Echelon spy
network was being used to collect information about the terrorist threats,
and that U.K. intelligence services apparently also had advance warning. The
FAZ, one of Germany's most respected dailies, said that even as far back as
six months ago, western and near-east press services were receiving
information that such attacks were being planned.
"Within the American intelligence community, the warnings were taken
seriously and surveillance intensified"
NOTE: Echelon is a highly secret technical intelligence gathering system
used to monitor worldwide communications and coordinated in the U.S. by the
National Security Agency. Participating countries, who eavesdrop on the
citizens of the other member countries -- to avoid civil restrictions
preventing governments from spying on their own citizens -- then pool and
share their information. Participating countries include the U.S.,
Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Great Britain and Germany. The eavesdropping
covers both telephone and email communications.
According to a Feb 13, 2001 UPI story detailing Echelon's use against bin
Laden and other terrorist organizations, "The targets of Echelon center on
the penetration of the major components of most of the world's telephone and
telecommunications systems. This could cover conversations NSA targets. Also
included are all the telexes carried over the world's telecommunications
networks, along with financial dealings: money transfers, airline
destinations, stock information, data on demonstrations or international
conferences and much more."
Germany - The German news agency "online.ie" reported on September 14,
"German police have confirmed an Iranian man phoned U.S. police from his
deportation cell to warn of the planned attack on the World Trade Center.
The Lower Saxony Justice Ministry has confirmed the man warned of impending
series of terrorist attacks, but had not been believed. Spokesman Frank
Woesthoff said the man phoned America 'several times', but refused to give
further details. He said the U.S. Secret Service had not told the ministry
about the calls received from the Langehagen prison until after the attacks.
'I cannot say anything about the man and the ministry does not know the
content of the conversations,' he added. The Hanover daily Neue Presse
reported the 29 year-old was dismissed as mentally unstable when he gave the
warning of the terrorist attack to occur this week. The ministry would not
reveal when the calls had been made."
France - On September 13, Reuters reported, "The FBI arrested an Islamic
militant in Boston last month and received French intelligence reports
linking him to Saudi-born dissident Osama bin Laden but apparently did not
act on them, a French radio station said on Thursday.
"Europe 1 radio reported that U.S. police arrested a man with dual French
and Algerian nationality who had several passports, technical information on
Boeing aircraft and flight manuals.
"The man had been taking flying lessons, it added.
"Asked for information by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, French
security services provided a dossier clearly identifying him as an Islamic
militant working with bin Laden."
Russia - A former CIA officer told FTW that, according to a Russian
newspaper article, Russian intelligence had notified the U.S. government of
the attacks. They even stated that they were aware that 25 pilots had been
specifically trained for the suicide missions.
Russia - On September 15, Russian president Valdimir Putin told interviewers
on MS-NBC that the Russian government had been warning the U.S. of imminent
attacks on airports and government buildings in the strongest possible terms
for weeks.
The United States - A criminal case proceeding in New York courts at the
time of the attacks contradicts the position of conservative news site
WorldNetDaily.com which has taken the position that the Clinton
Administration had provided bin Laden's terrorists with encryption
technology so advanced that the National Security Agency was unable to
penetrate bin Laden's most secure communications.
A February 13, 2001 story by UPI terrorism correspondent Richard Sale
described Echelon's effectiveness against the bin Laden organization in an
active case against him in the U.S. District Court in Manhattan. That case,
wrote Sale, "is based mainly on National Security Agency intercepts of phone
calls between bin Laden and his operatives around the world - Afghanistan to
London, from Kenya to the United States."
The UPI story stated that the technology had been used since at least 1995
and Ben Venzke, director of intelligence and special projects for iDefense,
a Virginia information warfare firm, was quoted in a key paragraph of that
story.
"Since Bin Laden started to encrypt certain calls in 1995, why would they
now be part of a court record? 'Codes were broken,' US officials said, and
Venzke added that you don't use your highest levels of secure communications
all the time. It's too burdensome and it exposes it to other types of
exploitation.'"
The UPI story made it clear that much of the evidence in the case had been
obtained in Echelon intercepts subsequent to the 1998 bombings of U.S.
embassies in East Africa and were presumably still effective at the time of
the New York attacks.
The United States - Several press reports confirm the writing of veteran
journalists Alexander Cockburn and Jeff St. Clair in their Sept. 14 issue of
Counterpunch. "Reports kept coming in to us of advanced warnings that an
attack of some sort was eminent [sic]. San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown was
booked to fly from the Bay area to New York City on the morning of September
11. But Brown says that late Monday evening, a full 8 hours prior to the
attack, he received a call from a person brown described as his airport
security man telling him that he should be extra cautious about air travel
on September 11."
The Financial Markets - Cockburn and St. Clair report, "In addition to what
we have previously reported about heightened security at the World trade
center itself in the weeks leading to the attack and at the Picatinny
Arsenal in Rockaway, New Jersey, Counterpunch has also learned that internal
memo was sent around Goldman Sachs in Tokyo on September 10 advising all
employees of a possible terrorist attack. It recommended all employees to
avoid any American government buildings."
Morgan Stanley, the largest tenant of the WTC complex lost none of its 3500
employees occupying some 50 floors according to The Washington Post. Neither
did Oppenheimer Funds.
FTW has also verified that at least one Goldman Sachs Vice President had
taken the day off to go surfing. This may or may not be a lucky coincidence.
A Word About Promis Software
In the Sept, 2000 issue of FTW (Vol III, No 7) we described recent
developments in the decades-long saga of the legendary Promis software and
this writer's interaction with members of the Royal Canadian Mounted
Police's national security section over its current use by various
intelligence agencies. Promis (Prosecutor's Management Information System)
was specifically reengineered and mated with artificial intelligence during
the 1980s for the purpose of tracking terrorists. One of its main strengths
was its ability to integrate diverse pieces of data and predict the movement
of terrorists based upon financial (e.g. credit card transactions), entries
through various border checkpoints, car rentals and airline ticket
purchases.
This special software, refined and enhanced many times since
then, is capable of integrating and coordinating precisely the kind of
information described above and then setting off warning bells. We have
confirmed many times over that Promis' unique abilities have also been
specifically targeted at financial markets to track sudden shifts in
currency and stock speculation as well as the laundering of money.
That being said, we find it extremely disturbing that the UPI and the
Swedish daily newspaper Aftonbladet both published September 14 reports
indicating that Osama Bin Laden had possibly engaged in large scale stock
speculation in the U.S. and Europe just before the attacks. Both stories
suggested that Bin Laden had bought large amounts of "shorts.' Taking a
short position means that an investor, betting that a stock's price will go
down, places a large number of shares up for sale at a given price usually
just at or below the current market price. If a stock is in short supply,
buyers will purchase the stock rapidly and the "short seller" then has a
given period of time to produce the actual shares which he or she is not
required to own at the time of the sale.
The future sale of the stock at a given price is a fixed contract that
cannot be altered. The seller pockets the money before he has to go out and
buy the shares. Therefore, if the seller agrees to sell 10,000 shares of XYZ
company at $100 each and enters into a contract at that price, and if the
stock price falls to $60 the following day, he can make a quick profit of
$400,000 when he buys the stock to complete the contract.
It is inconceivable that such movements were not detected before the WTC
attacks.
Given all of the above, which is only the beginning of what will be revealed
as time passes, only a cretin would believe that the United States
government could not and did not know that these attacks were coming, and
then chose to remain silent. Given these tiny bits of knowledge that are now
public how much more was available to the intelligence community? How could
they have apparently ignored it?
Dissenters will say, "Yes but the CIA has been hamstrung and prevented from
taking pre-emptive action by those liberal do-gooders in Congress." Not so.
A September 14 Reuters story reported accurately, "The CIA has been
authorized since 1998 to use covert means to disrupt and pre-empt terror
operations allegedly planned abroad by Saudi-born dissident Osama bin Laden,
The Washington Post reported Friday.
"The newspaper said the directive, signed by President Clinton and
reaffirmed by his successor, George W. Bush, adhered to a legal ban on the
assassination of foreign leaders but sanctioned the use of lethal force in
self-defense.
"Quoting government sources, the paper said the CIA had used such force
several times to stop armed groups before they initiated attacks."
A final question: Why, in light of all the information we now know the
government had about imminent attacks, did the Bush Administration gift the
Taliban with $43 million in May of this year? The move by the White House,
sorely criticized by columnist Robert Scheer in the May 22, 2001 Los Angeles
Times, was an alleged reward by the U.S. for the Taliban's destruction of
Afghan opium crops in February. Now, the U.S. government is rushing to mate
with a Pakistani regime that sustains itself by, and derives liquid currency
from, the drug trade. The result of that is that opium production will
surely blossom again in Afghanistan - under U.S./CIA control. The obvious
suggestion here is that the U.S., directly or indirectly, helped to fund the
WTC attacks.
It took 60 years for The History Channel, this year, to disclose to us
through U.S. government documents and the statements of intelligence
personnel who participated in it, that the highest levels of both government
and finance knew that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor on
December 7, 1941. And they kept silent about it. Historically, the key fact
that made the attack suspicious was that all five aircraft carriers of the
Pacific Fleet were conveniently and safely out to sea when the attacks
occurred. In 2001, it appears that the aircraft carriers of American finance
enjoyed the same advantage, one that was not afforded to those who died in
New York, or even to members of the U.S. Congress. That should tell us where
the real power lies. ___
Osama bin Laden's Bush family Business Connections
Alliance With Pakistan Will Stimulate Drug Trade, Bring Revenues Under U.S.
Control - Colombian Opium Production Will Soar
The Taliban's Biggest Economic Attack on the U.S. Came in February With The
Destruction of Its Opium Crop
FTW - Money connections between Bush Republicans and Osama bin Laden go way
back and the political and economic connections have remained unbroken for
20 years. And what appears to be a "new" alliance with Pakistan is merely a
new manifestation of a decades-long partnership in the heroin trade.
Conveniently ignored in all of the press coverage since the tragic events of
Sept. 11 is the fact that on May 17 Secretary of State Colin Powell
announced a gift of $43 million to the Taliban as a purported reward for its
eradication of Afghanistan's opium crop this February. That, in effect, made
the U.S. the Taliban's largest financial benefactor according to syndicated
columnist Robert Scheer writing in The Los Angeles times on May 22. But --
as we described in FTW's March 2001 issue -- the Taliban's destruction of
that crop was apparently the single most important act of economic warfare
against U.S. economic interests that the Taliban had ever committed. So why
the gift?
Critics of the Gulf War well recall how, just prior to Sadam's invasion of
Kuwait, President Bush (Sr.) dispatched Ambassador April Glaspie to visit
Sadam with a letter and a "wink and a nod" telling the Iraqi leader that it
was OK to invade his smaller neighbor. The May gift from Uncle Sam could
well have been sending the same kind of message, along with necessary funds
to complete the attacks. Drugs and terrorism go hand in hand.
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Gerardus here:
Yes, I remember that distinctly. I knew it was a set up then!
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Until February, Afghanistan had been the world's largest producer of
opium/heroin, claiming close to 70% of the world's total production. That
opium, consumed largely in Western Europe and smuggled through the Balkans,
was a direct source of cash deposits in Western financial institutions and
markets.
I specifically commented on this at an economic crisis conference in Moscow,
Russia on March 7. In my formal statement to the Russian conference I said,
"Just before coming to this conference I read in the Associated Press,
Agence France Press and other reliable sources that the Taliban has recently
eradicated most of its 3000 ton opium crop in Afghanistan. If true, I view
this as a form of economic warfare against Russia [and the U.S.] because it
would drive opium production more into Southeast Asia and Colombia. However,
I now suspect that this will result in a shift of opium production to the
Caucasus under the Kurds which will see an increase in smuggling through
Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan. I should note that both Vice President
Richard Cheney and the designated Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage
are members of the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce. Such a move would have
the effect of drastically shortening smuggling routes and costs into Western
Europe and of bypassing unstable areas of the Balkans.
I have received additional reports that Uzbekistan is now awash in the opium
poppy and, as in the US with the CIA, that Russian military and intelligence
agencies facilitate the trade as a means of protecting access to hard
currency. The point here is not that the US is totally evil or the only
country doing these things. But the US is far and away the most advanced
nation when it comes to the use of such methods to achieve superiority. As
[Russian economist Michael] Khazin has noted, the US and Britain and Germany
started the conflict in Kosovo in 1999 to stave off a collapse of western
markets following the Asian collapse of 1997-8. Now Colombia is a last-ditch
effort to protect the US markets and European opposition is jeopardizing
that plan."
The Taliban's actions this year severed the ruling military junta in
Pakistan from its primary source of foreign revenues and made bin Laden and
the Taliban completely expendable in the eyes of the Pakistani government.
It also cut off billions of dollars in revenues that had been previously
laundered through western banks and Russian financial institutions connected
to them.
Now as US military action will replace the Taliban government and fresh
crops will be planted in Afghanistan, the slack in cash flow will assuredly
be replaced by dramatically increased opium production in Colombia; the
revenues from that effort being needed to maintain the revenue streams into
Wall Street. Prior to the WTC attacks, credible sources, including the U.S.
government, the IMF, Le Monde and the U.S. Senate placed the amount of drug
cash flowing into Wall Street and U.S. banks at around $250-$300 billion a
year.
In that context, the real history of Osama bin Laden, as America's useful
terrorist-du-jour reveals a long and continuous history, interwoven with the
drug trade and the Bush family, of supporting conflicts that have benefited
U.S. military and economic interests.
bin Laden
There are direct historical links between Osama bin Laden's business
interests and those of the Bush family. On September 15 I received the
following message from FTW subscriber, Professor John Metzger of Michigan
State University:
"We should revisit the history of BCCI, a bank used by the legendary
Palestinian terrorist known as Abu Nidal. BCCI was closely tied to American
and Pakistan intelligence. Its clients included the Afghan rebels, and the
father of Osama bin Laden. The father of bin Laden named Houston investment
broker James R. Bath as his business representative in Texas, right after
George W. Bush's father became CIA director in 1976. By 1977, Bath invested
$50,000 into junior's first business, Arbusto Energy, while Osama bin Laden
would soon become a CIA asset. George W. Bush's FBI director Robert Mueller
was part of the Justice Department's questionable investigation of BCCI. (On
BCCI, the bin Ladens, and the Bushes, see the books, The Outlaw Bank, A Full
Service Bank, and Fortunate Son)." Further details of the business and
financial relationships between the Bush and bin Laden family are found in
Peter Brewton's 1992 book The Mafia, CIA and George Bush. BCCI,
incidentally, was founded by a Pakistani.
Economics Professor Michel Chossudovsky of the University of Ottawa has just
completed a detailed history of bin Laden's career detailing his secret
funding and logistical support to terrorist organizations beginning from his
early CIA-supported roots in the 1980s as a "freedom fighter" through to the
present day. Chossudovsky's compelling and well documented article, Who Is
Osama Bin Laden? dated Sept 12, 2001 can be found on the Internet at:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html.
Bin Laden's role has not just been as a practitioner of terrorist acts but
as a trainer and supplier of terrorist organizations around the world.
Included in bin Laden's coterie are terrorist groups linked to the Balkans,
Albania, the KLA (a U.S. ally), and rebel groups leading the insurrection
against Russia in Chechnya.
As FTW described in 1998, and as confirmed by Chossudovsky, the key to
understanding U.S. support of bin Laden is to grasp that he has always been
controlled by a cutout, the Pakistani government and its intelligence
service the ISI. In this manner there has been virtually no direct contact
between bin Laden and the CIA. This has served the dual purpose of
maintaining his apparent "purity" with his followers and providing plausible
deniability for the CIA. The whole underlying pretext for this relationship
evaporated with the Taliban's destruction of the opium crop in February.
Chossudovsky writes:
"The history of the drug trade in Central Asia is intimately related to the
CIA's covert operations. Prior to the Soviet-Afghan war, opium production in
Afghanistan and Pakistan was directed to small regional markets. There was
no local production of heroin. In this regard [Professor] Alfred McCoy's
study confirms that within two years of the onslaught of the CIA operation
in Afghanistan, 'the Pakistan-Afghanistan borderlands became the world's top
heroin producer, supplying 60 per sent of the U.S. demand
"With the disintegration of the Soviet Union, a new surge in opium
production has unfolded. (According to UN estimates, the production of opium
in Afghanistan in 1998-99 -- coinciding with the build up of armed
insurgencies in the former Soviet republics -- reached a record high of 4600
metric tons. Powerful business syndicates in the former Soviet Union allied
with organized crime are competing for the strategic control over the heroin
routes.
"The ISI's extensive intelligence military-network was not dismantled in the
wake of the Cold War. The CIA continued to support the Islamic "jihad" out
of Pakistan"
" The Golden Crescent drug trade was also being used to finance and equip
the Bosnian Muslim Army (starting in the early 1990s) and the Kosovo
Liberation Army (KLA). In the last few months there is evidence that
Mujhideen mercenaries are fighting in the ranks of the KLA-NLA terrorists in
their assaults into Macedonia.
" With regard to Chechnya, the main rebel leaders Shamil Basayev and Al
Khattab were trained and indoctrinated in CIA sponsored camps in Afghanistan
and Pakistan. In this regard, the involvement of Pakistan's ISI and its
radical Islamic proxies are actually calling the shots in this war.
"Russia's main pipeline route transits through Chechnya and Dagestan.
Despite Washington's perfunctory condemnation of Islamic terrorism, the
indirect beneficiaries of the Chechen war are the Anglo-American oil
conglomerates which are vying for control over oil resources and pipeline
corridors out of the Caspian Sea basin."
The oil and drug connections were the subject of FTW's story, The
Bush-Cheney drug Empire in October, 2000. That story is online at
http://www.copvcia.com/stories/previous/bush-cheney-drugs.html. Both Bush
and Cheney are oil men.
George Bush, Sr. was Vice President and, by virtue of executive Order 12333,
in charge of all U.S. intelligence and narcotics operations from 1981
through 1989. As President from 1989 through 1993, he continued and expanded
his control in these areas. Thus, it was Bush (the elder) who directly
nourished and nurtured bin Laden's evolution.
Dramatic Confirmation From Indian Government
The web site of the Indian Embassy in Washington contains dramatic
confirmation for these positions. On September 4, 2000, B. Raman, Director
of India's Institute for Topical Studies wrote an open letter to the U.S.
Congress entitled Pakistan's Noriega's. That eight-page article exposed the
depth of Pakistani government involvement in the drug trade. It may be
viewed at www.indianembassy.org/int_media/saag_september_04_2000.html.
The letter said, in part:
"For more than a decade, the people of India have been living in a state of
half-war and half-peace due to the depredations of a large number of
terrorists, outrageously called jehadists, who have been trained, armed and
funded and infiltrated into the State of Jammu & Kashmir and other parts of
India by Pakistan in order to make the people of India and its security
forces bleed in the name of religion.
"More people belonging to different religions -- Hindus, Muslims,
Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists and others -- have been killed in India by
these mercenary-terrorists sponsored by the State of Pakistan than by any
other terrorist groups anywhere else in the world"
"Many other States have suffered and have been suffering due to the
depredations of terrorists, made in and exported from Pakistan and the
Taliban-controlled Afghanistan -- [these include] Algeria, Egypt, Saudi
Arabia, the Central Asian Republics, the Chechnya and Dagestan areas of
Russia, the Xinjiang province of China, Bangladesh, the Arakan area of Burma
and the southern Philippines..."
"After his [1993] removal, [as official head of Pakistani intelligence,
trusted advisor to Pakistani leader Gen. Pervez Musharraf] Lt. Gen. Nasir
traveled to Somalia, Chechnya, Dagestan, the Central Asian Republics, China,
and the Southern Philippines as a preacher and helped Islamic organizations,
including the group which killed U.S. troops in Somalia."
"It was he, who, during his tenure as the DG [Director General] of the ISI
has entered into an agreement with the LTTE of Sri Lanka [which secured]
LTTE's assistance in smuggling Afghanistan produced heroin in its ships to
West Europe, the USA and Canada"
"Another reason for the ISI's helping the LTTE, despite its anti-Muslim
policies, was to use it for smuggling heroin to West Europe, the U.S. and
Canada. During Zia-ul-Haq's regime in the 1980s, heroin had become a major
source of extra revenue not only for the State of Pakistan, especially the
ISI and Pakistan's nuclear and missile establishment, but also to many
senior officers of the Pakistan Army, including [Musharraf et al]"
"The way Mr. Sharif before October 1999 and Gen. Musharraf since then have
been using the heroin money to prevent the Pakistani economy from collapsing
has not received due attention in the U.S. ..."
"If one goes purely by economic indicators, Pakistan's must be in as bad a
shape as that of Russia, or even worse, since Russia has been in receipt of
Western and IMF assistance"
"Where does the money come from? From the smuggling of heroin to West
Europe, the U.S. and Canada. The U.S. Government might have stopped economic
assistance from the taxpayers' money. But why should the Noriegas of
Pakistan be worried when they get billions of dollars from the heroin sale
in the U.S.? "
Vice President Dick Cheney's recent comment that the CIA needs to get in bed
with "unsavory characters" is a joke. That's a bed that the CIA has never
left. And it's a marriage vow that President Bush has just reaffirmed for
all the world to see. ___
An Economic Conspiracy?
FTW - [Expanded from an initial report dated 9-13-01] - On Sept. 11, 2001
the two most visible symbols of American economic and military power -- the
World Trade Center (WTC) and the Pentagon -- were simultaneously hit in a
well-planned and well financed attack that will have enormous and permanent
impact on the world economy and American culture. Just a day after the
attacks, which brought the planet to a halt, both CNN and Reuters - after
interviewing many financial experts - reported the likelihood of a worldwide
recession. This prediction has apparently been confirmed with the reopening
of U.S. markets as the Dow Jones Industrial average lost 684 points or 7% of
its value on Monday September, 17th. Americans have not yet grasped the
implications for their jobs, pensions plans, home equity or future income.
As major central banks have acted swiftly, with as much as $70 billion in
instant cash infusions to stem immediate spikes in oil and gold prices,
their subsequent actions in multilateral agreements between the Federal
Reserve, British banks and the European Central Bank, indicate that this
policy will continue. But it cannot last forever and its long-term
effectiveness is in question.
Just two days before the attacks we had issued an urgent electronic bulletin
warning that, as a result of many years of manipulation of gold prices by
the Federal Reserve, the Treasury and major investment banks, and a $30
trillion derivatives bubble on the verge of bursting, the U.S. economy was
in peril of an immediate and cataclysmic crash. That crash now has a
convenient -- if untrue -- explanation.
It is then, perhaps, coincidental that on 9-11, the day of the attack, there
was a meeting in Basel Switzerland at the Bank for International Settlements
(BIS). The BIS is known as the bank for world's central bankers - is also
the world "policeman" of the gold trade. All G-10 central banks were
represented on the day of the attack. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan
Greenspan was there, safely out of harm's way. Another telling coincidence
is that a critical hearing in a suit brought by the Gold Anti Trust Action
Committee (GATA) -- which alleges BIS collusion in the rigging of gold
prices was scheduled to be heard in U.S. District court in Boston on October
9th.
In another coincidence, the headquarters of Comex, the precious metals
trading exchange, was destroyed in the attacks, along with whatever records
were kept there. The central banks of many nations also had WTC offices and
some also had vaults in the basement. Estimates of the amount of gold stored
in the WTC range from a low of $100 million to a high of $16 billion. The
status of the gold is unknown at this time. What is known is that there are
futures options on gold amounting to roughly five times the actual amount of
physical gold in existence.
The destruction of records in the attacks was not limited to banking
records. The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) maintained
investigative offices at the WTC. At the time of the attack the SEC was
investigating, among others, Credit Suisse -- a major player in the gold
trade -- for massive irregularities connected to the Wall Street Bubble. The
Wall Street Journal on September 13 reported the destruction of the regional
enforcement office of the SEC, located in 7 World Trade Center:
"The collapse of [building] No. 7 on Tuesday took with it documents and
computer records focused on hundreds of investigations, as well as records
related to broker-dealers. The New York office is well-known for handling
numerous insider-trading cases, as well as small-company stock manipulation
cases involving organized-crime families."
"According to an unnamed Journal source, there are off-site copies of some
of these records, but 'other material is lost forever, including many raw
notes taken by SEC lawyers during their investigations and audiotaped
evidence that was not shared with the U.S. Attorney's office or other
government investigators.' The SEC believes all staff was evacuated, but the
regional director said, 'It's going to be a monumental task getting back in
operation.'"
bin Laden, et al
In a number of media appearances beginning on the evening of September 11,
former CIA Director James Woolsey has now begun pointing the finger at
"state sponsorship," - the prime suspect being Iraq. FTW strongly suspects
eventual finger pointing and military action at the one Arab country known
to sponsor terrorism that has not been mentioned in any press reports -
Libya. Militarily, it is an easily conquered enemy with shores on the
Mediterranean and its oil reserves would quickly lower pressures on the U.S.
markets.
Continuing revelations as to the complexity of the attacks continues to
suggest logistical, intelligence and financial resources beyond bin Laden's
known abilities. In addition, bin Laden's lineage, as a protégé of the CIA
from the Afghan conflict of the 1980s, threatens to raise serious questions
which the American government might not want answered.
As some American news outlets, including MS-NBC and the Houston Chronicle
demonstrate great courage by looking into bin Laden's past links to CIA and
the Bushes, the most compelling leads are the flight training schools
attended by many of the pilots involved in the attacks. FTW has begun a
major investigation into links between these schools and U.S. interests and
even Newsweek has issued a report on Sept. 14 showing that some of the
pilots may have received training at U.S. military installations.
Dispelling One Rumor
As speculation ran rampant in the first hours after the attacks, reports
that explosives had been placed in the World Trade Center spread rapidly. We
quickly concluded, based upon expert opinions and a BBC report, that this
was not a plausible theory. Jet fuel, burning at 2000 degrees Fahrenheit,
some 400 degree hotter than the temperature required to melt steel, cascaded
quickly down elevator shafts and engulfed critical support pillars placed in
the center of the building. A BBC diagram of the building showed that the
main elevator banks and air shafts were centrally located. This would
explain why the building seemed to collapse inward as the interior columns
melted.
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Gerardus here:
Naturally I have no proof of anything, but I do not agree with the above.
==============================================================
This opinion was shared by retired Air Force General Ben Partin who has
spent his career studying the destruction of various structures by military
attack. Additionally, the placement of explosives in the building could only
have been carried out before the air attacks and that would have run counter
to known procedures for covert operations. WTC employees had experienced a
bomb in 1993 and were conditioned to look for explosives. So many explosives
would have been required that the likelihood of discovery before the plane
crashes would have increased. And evacuation of the buildings before the
attack would have greatly diminished their symbolic victory.
Quo Vadis?
World confidence in the security of US markets and the economy has been
shattered. FTW correspondents in Moscow report a divergence between public
and official government reaction. Three people reported from Moscow on
Wednesday, an immediate move by Russian citizens to sell US dollars - the
most common form of savings in the economically battered country - resulting
in a dramatic plunge in public exchange rates from 29:1 to as low as 15:1
overnight. However a Russian government source told FTW on Thursday that
rates on MICEX (The Moscow International Currency Exchange) have remained
stable. In early trading the Russian stock exchange lost 5% of its value.
Of a certainty, consumer confidence -- recently touted as the savior of the
US economy -- has been demolished around the globe. Asian economies, already
venturing deeper into recession, had been looking for increased US orders,
based upon consumer confidence, to boost exports as a life preserver. That
life preserver has evaporated. A CNN story today quoted Asian financial
expert Andy Xie of Morgan Stanley as saying that consumer confidence had
"tipped over."
"We are going down to the bottom," Xie said. "no one knows where that is."
Reuters quoted a Chief Economist at Wells Fargo as saying, "A full-blown
global recession is highly likely."
It is interesting to note that the plan for globalization of the world's
economy has been greatly aided by recent events. On September 17, 2001 the
World Trade Organization (WTO) announced that China would be immediately
admitted as a member country. If announced at any other time this move would
have drawn widespread criticism and perhaps large scale demonstration's.
A fine line is called for in the walk between panic and precaution,
especially in a New World that has not been defined and needs to be explored
even as it reveals itself to us. The very real possibility of a global
conflict that will claim millions of lives, perhaps more, is before us. At
the moment my best recommendation is buying physical gold - even in the form
of jewelry - and keeping extremely vigilant. And we can pray that a free
press will find its strength and purpose, and that people all over the globe
will find the will to keep the madmen from driving the planet off a cliff.
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Gerardus here:
I do not believe in 3D safety. IOW: what will be will be...
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FTW's Warning - Two Days Before The Attack
On September 9, just two days before the World Trade Center attack FTW
issued an electronic subscriber bulletin, warning of an imminent economic
collapse. That collapse was to have been triggered by a huge bubble on Wall
Street that was already bursting, a huge manipulation in world gold prices
and the overselling of gold by central banks, and an estimated $20-30
trillion derivatives bubble that was also on the verge of an immediate
implosion. We attached a shocking economic expose with that bulletin which
had been published on the website www.lemetropolecafe.com. We regret that
space limitations prevent us from placing that article here. To obtain a
better understand of the gold issue, previously covered in FTW we also
strongly recommend that you visit www.gata.org .
[As published on Sept. 9, 2001] I cannot overstate the importance of this
post in helping to understand the economic precipice on which we are all
perched. More importantly, there is also a huge socio-political precipice
that is just as dangerous because of the fact that trust in government
institutions is at an all time low. Every time there is a police shooting
these days, whether as corrupt as those revealed in Miami recently; as
indicative of bad judgement and poor training as the one in Santa Clarita;
or as justified as those in Indiana; the "automatic" reaction of many now is
that the cops are always wrong. This "barometer" of public trust indicates
that average people are beginning to have a first reaction that government
and major institutions are "the enemy" rather than that they should be
trusted. Right or wrong, the implications for society as a whole are ominous
when emotion overrides reason.
"Let them eat cake."
It is this mix of economic and socio/political nitroglycerin that scares me.
I am joined by many "thinkers" now in sensing the possibility of a "Reign of
Terror," or mindless bloodletting. It would have nothing to do with justice,
good and evil, right or wrong and it would not subside until the fear and
revenge quotients just below the surface of the collective consciousness
have spent themselves. This is especially true for the nations of the world
whose populations have suffered under US economic bullying and globalization
for many decades.
The sooner corrective action is taken the better. The more it is postponed,
the more certain is the bloody abyss, as emotional and rational "account
balancings" occur at the same time as the economic ones.
Read this posting carefully and then consider two points: Since the 1998
Russian economic collapse was triggered by the "looting" by Harvard and
Goldman Sachs and THAT in turn triggered the collapse of LTCM [Long Term
Capital Management], were we looking at a system of greed out of control
where competing pyramids fight each other for diminishing capital streams?
Would Goldman and Harvard wage war against LTCM or JPMorganChase knowing
that it could destroy the world economy and create a global depression? If
true, that implies a pending financial and economic donnybrook, that could
"Hiroshima" the economy of the entire planet. The lunatics are officially
running the asylum now. As the DOW plummets - and I expect that it may be in
the 8,000s or below by the end of October - I have now come to the
conclusion that it is POSSIBLE, IF NOT LIKELY - that the Bowers shootdown in
Peru this Spring was an intentional move.
Reason: the immediate and total
suspension of drug interdiction flights -- an apparent easy capitulation by
the CIA -- that has since allowed drug smuggling to multiply in the
intervening months. I have read some estimates indicating that cocaine
smuggling to the US is up 30% this year as a result. Add to that the fact
that the eradication efforts in Colombia have not reduced coca production
but have instead, increased it by 15-20% or more. What better way to pour
additional billions in drug money into markets on the brink of collapse
while trying to maintain a public image that fewer and fewer people are
buying anyway?
There's a reason why people in this country no longer get motivated by
individual cries for justice or any single human interest story, whether the
victim lost a house or $250 million. In the panic of a fire in a crowded
movie theater, no one gives a shit. We're all going to burn.
Mike Ruppert
"From The Wilderness" www.copvcia.com
Gerardus here:
Well, that was a long read! I feel that if only ten percent is true, that
there is enough evidence to proof that he entire world is run by greed and
deceit. I say - so what! That does not mean that we have to chose sides or
be concerned about it. We can still create our own reality - which is a
subjective thing anyway - and say: It's only an experience so let's watch it
and become a perfect Observer...
Are you with me? - Gerardus
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Subject: [4D-STO-C] Our Show and Puzzle...
To and for all Listers...
Not sure whether you have seen this or not.
I changed the whole thing a bit and I think it's better.
Enjoy - Gerardus
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Please consider the following:
Our show and puzzle...
We are the Essence behind or beyond creation! As this Essence we express
ourselves and issue Creation. Within our creation we find ourselves
individual actors playing roles. By means of playing our roles, the actors
we are, create a drama that is also a comedy. The show is very confusing
sometimes, because when we as actors play our roles, our lines become our
personal views. Our lines or views are different in order to make it a very
interesting show and a puzzle to be solved. We as the Essence of creation
are the Truth! When we as actors quit playing our roles for a while - we see
that our views have nothing to do with the Truth We Are. Sooner or later, we
learn to see through the show creation is and solve the puzzle! When this
happens, we immediately burst out laughing...
(; Gerardus ;)
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Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 08:52:33 -0700
From gerardus@otvcablelan.net Fri Oct 05 09:22:53 2001
To: gerardus@otvcablelan.net
From: Gerardus
Subject: Play the Game and play it well...
Gerardus here:
About Jesus by whatever name, Buddha, Krishna, Lao-Tzu, Yada or any other
member of the human family of Enlightened Beings - I suggest that - taken
into consideration the illusion of time - we are equal. I said all equal!
No one is an orphan or crippled. Nor is anyone either less or more than
another. The universe is not like Wall Street - where values are counted in
monetary possessions, or how much influence one has on the president, or on
how much money we are going to make as a demolition contractor. The entire
universal scene is a field of equals, projection their personalities playing
their roles upon many an earth simultaneously. The more we get stuck praying
in our role, the more roles we need to play in order to awaken...
All we need to remember is, that we as role-players suffer from amnesia and
have lost our perspectives of the Absolute Reality We Are. Think it
through, and we will not be concerned in the least who did what to whom or
whom to pray to - yes or no. We as equals play our roles in a endless
drama/comedy, dressed up in space suits we call bodies and change our roles
infinitely often...
After all, what else is there to do in an infinite mind manifesting solar
systems and planets ad infinitum, which function as stages to be performed
upon - acting out whatever crazy self-created script we might have come up
with. The trick is to play the game and play it well! After all, we play
the "Play of God playing as Man". Finish the game and no difference will be
noticed in either color or size between Souls or Energies - for all of us
will be laughing in delight when the box is closed. Voila, another Grand
Cycle... and Now What?
Pray if you want to, I feel that we need to remember that any personality
can make itself useful to itself only, by praying. The Infinite Soul or God
does not change its attitude because one of its infinite and tiny puppets
got caught in a spiel of unawareness and feels hurt now and is praying like
hell. Life is for learning that all of us are the One - individually! No
one is greater than we already are - just the way we are...
Jessinavarah Ben Marnouk Osama Bin Gerardus
the Infinitely Tiny - prays by smiling.
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Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 15:13:46 -0700
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From: Gerardus
Subject: Something interesting NUMBER 3 ISSUE
Gerardus here:
Here is a small portion of the C-channelings.
Put this together with the pictures of the UFOs from the Japanese website
and it might make more sense. Here is what I sent before, revised a bit...
-------------
In the following URLs there are many interesting pictures (Animated as well)
You can see the second tower being hit by the airplane while something
else flies by AT THE SAME TIME - and then continues. Just when the plane hits
the tower - the "whatitsname" flies BY the tower. There even seems to be a
bit of a hesitation (or stopping) when the object flies by the tower.
Add to this that these beings exist beyond time. So anything can happen in
a split second or less. It loks to me that something is going on that
could be as described by the Cs.
---------------
Q: (L) OK, now, you said a moment ago that some of these bodies were
used as receptacles, soul receptacles. When you say soul receptacles,
do you mean soul receptacles for whom?
A: Replacements for dead bodies, i.e. duplicated.
Q: (L) So, in other words, they make replacements for dead people and
put their souls in a replacement body, so that they can continue
living on, is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do they ever use dead bodies and reanimate them and
then put other souls in them?
A: No. For example: a soldier is KIA, his body is duplicated, his
soul is replaced into new body, then he is "reprogrammed for service"
to aliens and S.G. [Secret Government]
Q: (L) Where does the new body coming from?
A: It is duplicate of old body. TDARM. [TDARM is Trans Dimensional
Atomic ReMolecularization]
Q: (T) Otherwise known in Star Trek as a 'Replicator'. (TK) Does
somebody have to die in a certain way before they can do this?
A: No.
Q: (TK): Is there a time limit on how long they can be dead?
A: No. Zero time.
Q: (L) They use the frequency vibration of the soul pattern, they
take it into another density, use their TDARM technology to cause a
molecular re-assembly; in other words, the atoms begin to assemble
around it in the pattern that it had before, and then it is a full-
fledged body, and then they insert it back through the time doorway
into 3D again. Is that correct?
A: Close.
Q: (T): OK, you said... let's use Vietnam. You said there were 23,000
KIA's of the 60,000 that actually were not killed in action. True?
Yes?
A: Were killed, then reanimated.
Q: (L) We're not talking about physical bodies here, are we?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, there are some that were killed in action that the actual
bodies were reanimated? (J) As long as they weren't blown up in a
land mine, yeah. (L) There were actually bodies that were actually
reanimated, is that correct?
A: Some, but most were duplicated. War makes covert actions so easy.
Q: (T) It's just that the cover of a war, is easier to take the
bodies. (TK) They're not wanting people to realize ... They're not
wanting to just take them out of the graves, because if you did, it
would be more noticed. (L) Were some of these bodies taken... were
the bodies picked up, taken into another density for this
ReMolecularization patterning?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, so they had to have an actual body for the pattern. Were
the original bodies returned once the duplication was done?
A: More than one type of situation.
Q: (L) So, in other words, it could be sometimes, yeah, they were,
and sometimes, no, they weren't. (T) Were some of these
supposed "killed in action's" actually not killed? Were they still
alive when they were removed?
A: All possibilities.
Q: (L) So this is in a sense a "crime of opportunity." (J) War is a
supermarket of opportunities! (T) Some were just taken by the secret
government when they were alive, some were dead and brought back in
new bodies to continue on, and they were considered dead, but they're
all considered dead.
A: Taken by aliens, not SG. Secret Government is aware to some
extent, but not in control of operation.
Here are the UFO Sites again:
http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/%7Ekiti/Ufo/wtc/wtc.htm <--- Original
http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/%7Ekiti/Ufo/fs/fs.htm <--- Added !
http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/~kiti/Ufo/rd.htm <--- Added !
http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/~kiti/Ufo/sc.htm <--- Added !
http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/~kiti/Ufo/as12/as12.htm <--- Added !
http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/~kiti/Ufo/fs/ Go here and click on Files Names.
http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/~kiti/Ufo/magic/moonufo.htm ??? ???
http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/~kiti/Ufo/taiken/kiti/kititaiken.htm <-- Added !
http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/~kiti/Ufo/ <--- Added !
None of them work any more...
--Gerardus
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Subject: Re: [matrioshka] fellow Russian dolls
At 07:51 PM 10/11/2001 -0700, you wrote:
Gerardus:
Hello Brian...
Yes, you are right. "There is no final doll, there is just nothing".
This might be so, because there is only the Dreamer dreaming dreams.
Or is the fact that there is no final doll - because there is ALL in the
final analysis?
Gerardus here:
There is no final anything anywhere anytime anyplane anydensity
anydimension. There is only the journey. Better enjoy it now - if not - one
never will! We could call our journey our destination, but in a way, there
is nowhere to go so no destination. We are just here and move presumably
closer to higher enjoyment by means of higher levels of awareness, gained
by traveling...
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How does one separate the dream from the dreamer ? Or the figment from the
whole ?
Gerardus here:
The Dance and the Dancer are the same. The Dream and the Dreamer are the
same! Manyness is an illusion. God IS One IS Creation. We play games by
acting in a show that never ends. It does not even have chapters, except
for the illusions that we are born into different bodies. They are figments
of our Dream. Why do we dream all this? It is our Nature. Our Nature is
being a creative Dreamer. There are Dreams within Dreams within Dreams. All
virtually real. The only realness that is - is the Dreamer/Dream.
We are
creative by dreaming Creation and its seemingly manyness. Once we think we
live there - we are thrown for a loop and think that it is real and that it
is a reality in and by itself. There is but one thing: The Dreamer and its
Dream. Trouble is, when it is expressed in words - there seem to be two.
Not so...
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>I have used the matrioshka dolls as an illustration in my textbook on
>Spirituality [in the process of writing for the last 4 years]. They are
>well suited in explaining the different bodies of man - the Spirit within
>the center - and an ever more visible [dense] bodies in layers over it.....
>emotional, mental, et cetera, physical on the outside.
Gerardus here:
Yes, that is right. It is a perfect illustration of how the human is put
together. In the mean time, it took an enormous time (so to speak - as if
there was time) to make this human live in a reality that is a fake. Trick
is to enjoy it - I feel that it is one prerequisite of getting into
different dream reality. Like into higher planes of dreaming that I have
assumed will be available when we are ready. Knowledge is the ticket...
--------------------------------
>But it could just as well go the other way also -- Spirit enfolding within
>itself the other bodies, with the physical being the last, or innermost or
>smallest doll.
Gerardus here
Yes, one could go either way. In actuality there is no time and space, so
where is that body? Where is this physical reality? It's an aspect of our
dream. It ain't real! Awakening is the end of the Dream - but why awaken
so to speak? One never should. We can only be aware of what we really are
- and call that awakening. In the mean time, we possibly might awaken to
different levels within the total dream. It will be different for it is
dreamt by awarenesses that have learned to dream consciously. At the moment
people on earth dream unconsciously. Many do not even know that they are
dreaming! In the mean time, certain religions call for waky waky. By a
load of luck they got that one right...
Mankind is but in the beginning stage of what is humanly possible. In the
mean time, billions will have a hard time in days to come for the masses
dream or live unconsciously. Suffering is a sure thing to awaken them -
that's why things are the way the are...
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>Within the spiritual/metaphysical community things are separated and
>labeled - ONLY for ease of understanding each part. But they ARE NOT
>separate, or at least not as long as there are people in the physical.
Gerardus here:
Yeah, there are no parts or portions, or Souls for that matter. Only for
human convenience sake do we split One Whole - One Energy - in into pieces.
The human mind cannot fathom One Reality or Oneness as Diversity. We are
The Infinite Light dispersed through lenses that are our bodies and they
fool us...
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Within this dream, each dream-figment becomes real to itself. The trouble
starts when figments begin to take themselves too seriously.
Taking yourself too seriously [or seriously at all] is a sign of too much
ego. :) I know - I spent many years taking myself seriously ...... and it
did NOT work ... all it did is make me unhappy.......
Gerardus here:
Yes, it comes from a true lack of understanding or Cosmic Insight - maybe
we could call this wisdom - whatever. Seriousness and ambition are mankind
enemies. Caused by the limited ego thinking that it is important. That is
what the trouble is with many channelers. They begin to think that they are
special and more than someone else. Especially so if they happen to be
brilliant. Who created them? - who dreamt them up? - but the One Light or
a specific aspect of that Light - teaching other aspects of itself to
shine. Most become arrogant, fanatic or self-righteous. Goes to their
heads. Nothing new... it's a human trap...
---------------------------
>>They possibly start to accuse each other of things that they themselves
>>have allowed to happen.
>
>or fueled the fire ? I know this story all too well. Again years spent in
>doing this - and then wondered why everyone attacked me .... woe is me
>.... poor me ... what a victim I am
Gerardus here:
Yes, that's the way it goes.
We all do it to ourselves and that's the way it should be. It is our
ignorance of what is, that gets us into trouble. In the mean time, the
more trouble we are in - the more we can learn. The lesson however is not
always seen as our own doing. Some blame our mother or our upbringing or
whatever. The very upbringing or parent was needed to give the soul the
opportunity to get it straight this time. Well, and if not - no harm done.
There are more illusions than realizations...
---------------------------
>But I am now waking up - and deciding the Matrix sucks...
>
>Blessings. Olga
Yes, Life is on our side - Gerardus
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Subject: [matrioshka] Still not sweating it...
Michael here:
So I don't
think it's pompous to say that I am an agent of "God" and so are you
and everyone else. Indeed, you cannot not be an agent of God. And
agents DO things. So just what are our abilities and where do my
List buddies think we should apply them?
Gerardus here:
I almost agree with everything you said! Except for minor details not worth
discussing. This is what I think/feel: the very fact that we (you and I)
think differently than the NewWorldOrderPeople and a lot of other people
means that we are doing something already without even lifting a finger.
----- Our thoughts penetrate all people and planes of existences.
It's there for them to receive. Our very presence is doing something...
Another thing is, that as I see the world, it is nothing but a classroom -
say Grade 3. All human beings end up in this classroom and pass through it
by learning their lessons. These lessons include being manipulated by their
leaders and/or religions and becoming a slave. One cannot free a slave who
does not know that he is a slave. He is asleep. They would rather kill us
then listen to us for we speak nonsense. Going through grade 3 wakes him up
and eventually he is in our place...
So what is the situation?
People in grade 4 - say you and I, and a few other people, cannot wake up
Grade 3 people by telling them something they are not interested in. They
will reject it! In the first place because they do not have the brains to
understand it and secondly it is interfering with their free will. If they
need to be told something, it will have to come from within! This could be
their Guides or Soul itself. If they are not capable of waking up these guys
- we will not be either...
Basically we cannot skip classes. Like why did
you go to elementary school? Why didn't you go to high school right away?
Would have saved you a lot of time. People in grade 3 wake up by themselves
and sooner or later they think that they can help the stragglers by forcing
them into understanding something they are not ready for. When the student
is ready - the teacher will appear. Email forums are teachers. There are
more people lurking than there are people posting. That is doing something!
Beside all my words above, it just comes down to the following: we all come
here to experience the Human Condition! This includes the full gamut of
being human. Being killed, molested, falsely accused, stolen from, murdered
and being a murderer, being a politician, being a banker and being a
religious leader, having power over others, or seeing the whole thing like
you and I do and pondering on what to do about it...
Having said all that and the possibility that you might not agree with it
all - I am interest to hear what YOU propose to do about the situation in
this world. One never knows - I might have overlooked something. Have you
read the following article? http://www.soulwise.net/25a-tgs.htm
Michael here:
What is the point of knowledge if it is not applied? And what about your
metaphysical knowledge? Just what is it good for?
Gerardus here:
My metaphysical knowledge is used very well. I am the one using it and
having the benefit of it. Knowledge like wisdom cannot be passed around like
money of gifts. It's a personal thing or development/evolvement.
Life is a do it yourself thing...
Still not sweating it - Gerardus
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Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:02:12 -0700
To: 4D-STO-C@yahoogroups.com
From: Gerardus
X-Yahoo-Profile: imualso
Subject: Re: [4D-STO-C] Re: If you think that...
At 04:11 AM 10/18/2001 -0000, you wrote:
--- In 4D-STO-C@y..., "Fiona" wrote:
To all 4-Ders...
If you think that... there is something wrong with this world and that it
should not be the way it is, or that you feel that something should be done
about it - you are trying to save the world. It means that you still have
attachments to this world and that you are not ready to go to 4D!
Any comments are welcome - Gerardus
----------------------------------------------
Fiona here:
Well done Gerardus, never short of a few curly ones to drop into the
conversation. Of course I agree with your thinking. We do not need to
save
anyone or anything. Nothing needs to be done - it will do very well all my
itself. I am losing interest in this world day by day - I long for out
sometimes - but I know that I have something to DO before I depart. Who
knows what that something is - I just hope it gives me a good buzz !!
---------------------------------------------
TRIAKA HERE: I have a different perspective. I am ready for 4-5D and at
the same time justify my current incarnation to (hopefully) serve others in
making the transition from 3D. I, therefore, have attempted to show my
fellow humans the disharmonious baggage they co-created in 3D and the
release of which may help "open" them to make the transition. Triaka
---------------------------------
Hi Triaka...
That is Great!
What do you think my attempt is? Our very thoughts, our very discussions
reverberate as thought-energy throughout the entire universe hitting
mankind from all sides. What do think this wave is, or this quantum leap?
It is our own thought bouncing around and off each other? It multiplies
and multiplies until each and every human eventually sees the light. All
mankind needs to do is recognize itself. We are the light lost in the dark
hallways of our own mind in order to experience the infinite scope of
duality. No doubt we will all return to the brilliance of our own
Greatness. Possibly not all at once, but each in his own time...
Your perspective is my perspective - Gerardus
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At 09:44 AM 10/22/2001 EDT, you wrote:
Hi Guys, Ally here,
I've read your posts with great interest and find myself observing the
bizarre happenings in the world somewhat from afar.
Hi Ally - Gerardus here:
I'll take your post sentence by sentence maybe, and see what comes out.
First of all, thank you for your kind words. Watching the bizarre happening
from afar, as you say, well that's an excellent way to take them in.
Although life has changed for many of us, the changes that took place, do
not all have the same effect on all of us. For example, my personal life
has not changed one bit! Except that I write and discuss different things
now. The only changes as far as I am concerned are, that I have become more
and more convinced that the World is being brainwashed to the limit of
laughter. One could burst out doing so, if it was not so sad. In the mean
time, this is where the mass-mind is at... What else is new?
---------------------------------
Ally here:
>I don't care to keep up
>with the frenzy I see on mainstream media as so much of it invokes fear. What
>exactly is it that's happening? Why is this happening and why do you say it
>will get worse?
Gerardus here:
I feel that the fear factor is something to overcome by reasoning it out.
Thousands of people die everyday by means of all kinds of causes and no one
worries or is concerned about it. Most people do not even know how many
people die per day. The anthrax cases are so few and far in between at the
moment, that I do not think it is worth being concerned about. This does not
mean that we should not take precautionary measures when we open our mail.
Life teaches us to live with awareness. This is what life is all about -
live consciously. Phil McGraw on the Oprah show calls it - Living by design.
He is right...
Will it get worse? Not sure what you mean here. In general I feel that the
war and killing we see right now, is nothing compared to what it might be in
the future. We live in the "end of time" as the bible calls it. That's the
way I see it as well. It is a time within which we will be tested so to
speak by the circumstances in our world. We will be tested by our own
creations. The only hope there is I feel - is this: the American people, and
the people of the world, must ban together and protest in enormous
proportions against this war and killing mentality of the USA and English
Governments. In the mean time, they are not the only Governments involved
and unless the people of the world awaken - many many millions might be
killed. Either violently or by sinister means of anthrax and/or other
pollution or poisoning. Chemtrails for example is one of them. As I see it
the anthrax scare comes from the same people who fly the Chemtrails planes...
Now, is this all scary and does it cause fear? That's up to each and every
individual who either reads this or becomes aware of what is. Personally I
feel that it is a lot better to be aware of what could happen - than wander
about in a daze of ignorance...
---------------------------------------
Ally here
>I've read so much on so many wonderful websites with regard
>to our transition to the 4th dimension/vibration but I really don't
>understand why there needs to be such negativity in the process.
Gerardus here:
This wonderful transition to the 4th dimension/vibration is Great!
Questions are: What do we need to do in order to transcend? What is the
criteria? Who and who is going? Could it be possible that all this talk is
but wishful thinking and the criteria is "Knowledge" or knowing what is
going on - and still not be fearful? Could it be that the criteria is
"Maturity"??
Could this means that we live as before and have no concern for the future?
Do we trust the process Life is? Is that what living in the moment is all
about? Is all the commotion of the world at large just to be known about
and then say - I am looking at it from afar, like you do, and continue
taking care of our family or do whatever it was before we did before 911 ??
Negativity and positivity are a continuum. One cannot be without the other.
Life is both. It always has been this way! Most Americans however, in their
blind search for instant gratification and sensation, did not have a clue
what their Government was doing to others for the last 50 years. Is this why
the USA has so many enemies? Is this why some people became terrorists?
In the last 50 years the International Policies of the USA were of the same
barbaric behavior as what is called terrorism. Interference with all kinds
of Government in other countries to suit their own bank accounts and power!
How come so few Americans knows about this? Is this because they are kept
asleep by their own leaders? Is this why so called terrorists had to awaken
them? In the mean time - negativity is not of the last few weeks. This
planet is about duality - it has contained both since ever...
------------------
Ally here:
>Negativity
>being of course the disasters and bio-terrorism we are all seeing at the
>present time. Perhaps someone could enlighten me with their thoughts on the
>subject.
Gerardus here:
I think I answered that above.
So what do we do? We must awaken to the fact what this world is really for.
It is a planet where we as Souls come to have our human experiences. The
souls we are, come here to awaken, by means of these experiences. Naturally
these experiences need to be of a positive as well as of a negative
character...
Life is Everything - Gerardus
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:39:33 -0700
To: 4d-sto-c@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [4D-STO-C] What would you bet on?
Note from somewhere:
=====================================================
In all, about 800 people have been rounded up since
the attacks, most of whom are expected to be found to
be innocent. Investigators believe there could be
hundreds of people linked to al-Qaeda living in the
US, and the Bush Administration has issued a warning
that more attacks are probably being planned.
======================================================
Gerardus here:
If 800 suspects are in custody - who is spreading this anthrax around?
Another thought - the entire scene is very suspicious if you ask me. One has
to be pretty knowledgeable of who is who and where they work to get all the
addresses just right...
Look at these four points:
1) Hijackers not on Passengers Lists.
2) Possibility of remote controlled planes.
3) Rumors of some of the hijackers showing up.
4) The precise timing and numbers of the planes and dates
all focusing on the number Eleven. http://www.soulwise.net/numbers.htm
All this from a cave in Afghanistan? Could this entire show be an inside
job from beginning to end? What would you bet on??
Right! Here's another one:
Is the whole anthrax-idea to create wide spread fear so that people begin to
ask for this "Police State" they want to establish anyway - asked for or
not? Ah well, forget it...
I have always been a dreamer - Gerardus
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Date 24 10 2001
TO: matrioshka@yahoogroups.com
Andrew here in part of your Chapter Seven:
If you have ever wondered what it would be like to solve the most difficult
paradox ever known to the minds of the world's greatest physicists, let's
give it a try and see how easy this is. Scientists cannot figure out whether
a particle is a particle or a wave. As far as they are concerned, it cannot
be both.
It is both, however. But, the real question is: What is a particle? Is it
a billiard ball or do we need a more holistic explanation that says that
every particle is part of something much bigger?
That insight would actually help solve the paradox and stop silly
physicists from saying that particles are telepathic. There is little danger
that scientists---who are trained reductionists---will make that connection,
though. Particles really emerge like notes out of the endlessly playing
chaotic symphony.
---
Hi Andrew - Gerardus here:
I just finished reading up to Chapter Seven of your files at M-List. I agree
with you that atoms do not exist as individual things or vibrations. They
are what I call "nodes" of a universal energy that exposes itself to us as
specific aspects. We call these exposed aspects atoms. Atoms are like fishes
in the ocean and are sustained by that ocean...
IOW: what we think we see as an atom is a reflection of a specific
characteristic of the universal energy as a Whole. It is the energy we swim
in so to speak. It "IS" us, while we, when we live in a human body, have
shifted a specific aspect of our awareness through a lens the body is. It
fools us, for we think that there is something outside our ourselves. Cannot
be - we are the Whole!
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Date: 30 Oct 2001 18:46:59 -0000
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Subject: [wisdom-l] Re: P.B.Quote for the Day
At 05:44 PM 10/30/2001 -0000, you wrote:
"Those who look for some swift miraculous renaissance of peace and goodwill
in the Occident look in vain, for such miracles do not happen. The world is
making its own destiny, and nobody can neutralize it. Nobody can abrogate
the past. A grim Justice rules all worlds, from the strange and weird
places where ghosts foregather to the more matter-of-fact haunts of earthly
cities. Only the psychically blind and the spiritually sightless ever hope
to evade this Justice or to escape the final accounting which tracks down
individuals and nations alike with mathematical accuracy."(9-3.342)
Gerardus here:
Yes, very true!
We as Souls are here in order to experience human life. This includes all
kinds of experiences - positive as well as negative. There are certain
cycles and pathways that function as created destinies for Humanity. Within
these pathways, we as human beings have some leeway to move left or right
somewhat - but in no way can we escape what's coming to us...
I feel that we create our reality from the Soul Level and we as the
instruments of our Soul experience the created realities. The only thing we
as human beings create are the attitudes we have towards what's happening to
us. In the long run, we will find that the more we evolve - the more we
become our Soul - the more influence we have in creating the reality we
desire. This means naturally, that we need to escape the mass-mind and
slowly but sure awaken to the Force we Are - The God That Is All. Reaching
the Christ-Consciousness is a Process...
It's a long journey and there are no shortcuts - Gerardus
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To: <4D-STO-C@yahoogroups.com>
From:
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:22:53 -0500
Reply-To: 4D-STO-C@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [4D-STO-C] WhatReallyHappened.com
This is an excellent article, which I have just carefully read a
second time, since Gerardus posted it several days ago.
If anyone hasn't yet taken the time to read it (I know - there's SO
much to read these days!) please take the time. This is one
of the best I've seen lately, and I'm forwarding it to my personal
contacts as well.
Kathleen
Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com
Dubya Dubya Three - Are Americans The Victims Of A Hoax?
WhatReallyHappened.com
10-23-1
"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even
in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen
aknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and
corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it.
To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of
harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender
one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have
the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not
designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards
an excuse not to think at all." - Michael Rivero
The time has come to stop using the flag as a blindfold, to stop
waving our guns and our gods at each other, to take a close look at
the facts which have emerged from the attacks on the World Trade
Towers and to recognize the very real possibility, indeed
probability, that We The People are the victims of a gigantic and
deadly hoax.
In a normal terrorist event, the terrorists cannot wait to take
credit, in order to link the violence to the socio-political intent
of the terrorist organization. Yet the prime suspect in the New York
Towers case, ex(?) CIA asset Osama Bin Laden (whose brother is one of
George W. Bush's Texas business partners), has issued only two
statements regarding the September 11th attacks, and both of those
are denials of any involvement.
Huge problems are emerging in the official view of events. It's known
that the United States was planning an invasion of Afghanistan long
before the attacks on the World Trade Towers. Indeed the attacks on
the World Trade Towers perfectly fit the timetable of an invasion by
October stated by US officials just last summer.
The 19 names of suspected hijackers released by the FBI don't point
to Afghanistan. They come from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, United Arab
Emirates; all across the middle east without a focus in any one
region. Indeed, even as the FBI was admitting that its list of 19
names was based solely on identifications thought to have been
forged, Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister Prince Saudi Al-Faisal
insisted that an investigation in Saudi Arabia showed that the 5
Saudi men were not aboard the four jetliners that crashed in New
York, Virginia and Pennsylvania on September 11.
It was proved that
five of the names included in the FBI list had nothing to do with
what happened, Al-Faisal told the Arabic Press in Washington after
meeting with U.S. President George W. Bush at the White House. A
sixth identified hijacker is also reported to still be alive in
Tunisia, while a 7th named man died two years ago!
In a recent development, the BBC is reporting that the transcript of
a phone call made by Flight Attendant Madeline Amy Sweeney to Boston
air traffic controls shows that the flight attendant gave the seat
numbers occupied by the hijackers, seat numbers which were NOT the
seats of the men the FBI claimed were responsible for the hijacking!
FBI Chief Robert Mueller admitted on September 20 and on September 27
that at this time the FBI has no legal proof to prove the true
identities of the suicidal hijackers. Yet in the haste to move
forward on the already planned war in Afghanistan, our government and
the FBI (which does not have the best record for honesty in
investigations to begin with, having been caught rigging lab tests,
manufacturing testimony in the Vincent Foster affair, and illegally
withholding/destroying evidence in the Oklahoma Bombing case) are not
taking too close a look at evidence that points away from the
designated suspect, ex(?) CIA asset Osama Bin Laden.
In particular, the FBI, too busy harassing political dissenters to
find spies in its midst, the long rumored mole inside the White
House, or plug leaks in high-tech flowing to foreign nations, has
willfully and criminally ignored the implications of some vital
pieces of information the FBI is itself waving around at the public.
We are being told that this crack team of terrorists, able to breeze
past airport security as if it wasn't there, wound up leaving so much
evidence in its wake that the bumbling Inspector Clouseau (or the
FBI) could not fail to stumble over it. The locations where the
terrorists supposedly stayed are so overloaded with damning materials
that they resemble less a crimes scene, and more a "B" detective
movie set, with vital clues always on prominent display for the
cameras.
Yet another problem lies with the described actions of the hijackers
themselves. We are being told on the one hand that these men were
such fanatical devotees of their faith that they willingly crashed
the jets they were flying into buildings. Yet on the other hand, we
are being told that these same men spent the night before their
planned visit to Allah drinking in strip bars, committing not just
one, but two mortal sins which would keep them out of Paradise no
matter what else they did. Truly devout Muslims would spend the day
before a suicide attack fasting and praying. Not only does the
drinking in strip bars not fit the profile of a fanatically religious
Muslim willing to die for his cause, but the witness reports of the
men in the bars are of men going out of their way to be noticed and
remembered, while waving around phony identifications.
Because of the facts of the phony identifications, we don't really
know who was on those planes. What we do know is that the men on
those planes went to a great deal of trouble to steal the identities
of Muslims, and to make sure those identities were seen and
remembered, then to leave a plethora of planted clues around, such as
crop dusting manuals, and letters in checked baggage (why does a
terrorist about to die need to check baggage?) that "somehow" didn't
get on the final, fatal, flight.
Fake terror is nothing new. According to recently released files, our
government planned Operation NORTHWOODS to stage phony terror attacks
against American citizens in the wake of the Bay Of Pigs, to anger
Americans into support for a second invasion of Cuba. The plan was
spiked by JFK. If our government has ever actually carried out such
plans to stage phony terror attacks, the documents have remained
classified. But given the reality of Operation NORTHWOODS, or the
manner in which FDR maneuvered Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor, one
cannot rule out the possibility that, once again, the people of the
United States are being lied to by their own government, to
manufacture consent for a war of invasion already being discussed
with other nations the previous summer.
It is also quite possible, indeed likely, that the United States is
being spoofed by a third party to trigger a war. It has happened
before. According to Victor Ostrovsky, a defector from Israel's
secret service, Mossad, Israel decided to mount a false flag
operation designed to further discredit Libya, and provoke the US to
attack an Arab nation. A transmitter loaded with pre-recorded
messages was planted in Tripoli, Libya, by a Mossad team.
The `Trojan Horse' beamed out fake messages about Libyan-authorized
bombings and planned attacks that were immediately intercepted by US
electronic monitoring. Convinced by this disinformation that Libya
was behind the 1986 bombing of a Berlin disco in which a US soldier
died, President Ronald Reagan ordered massive air attacks on Libya,
including an obvious- and illegal (under US law) attempt to
assassinate Qadaffi himself. Some 100 Libyan civilians were killed,
including Qadaffi's two year old daughter. Libyan officials had no
idea why they were attacked.
It is worth remembering the motto of the Mossad is, "By way of
deception, thou shalt do war."
Whether they were involved in the attacks or not, it cannot be
doubted that Israel has benefited from the attacks in New York. While
world attention is focused on what the US will do in Afghanistan,
Israel has escalated its attacks against Palestinians towns. Israel
has repeatedly tried to claim that Palestinians were involved in the
New York attacks, hoping to bury the Palestinian cause under the
rubble of the World Trade Towers.
Because of the faked IDs and stolen identities, we don't really know
who planned the World Trade Towers attacks. We only know who they
wanted us to blame.
And we know that the United States has been tricked in the past into
bombing someone who did not deserve the attack, and that those who
were bombed then embarked on what from their point of view was
justified retaliation that culminated over Lockerbie. And while bombs
were falling and planes were crashing, Israel was laughing at us that
we had been so easily fooled into bombing Israel's targets for them.
Are we being hoaxed again, by Israel, or by our own government, or by
both? It's impossible to rule that out. Right now there are a lot of
people who want war. Oil companies want Afghanistan's petroleum
products. Our corporations want "friendlier" markets. The CIA wants
all that opium. And all those war-mongers, with all their greed and
agendas, will not hesitate in the least to pour your tax dollars and
your children's blood all over Afghanistan, to get those "friendlier"
markets, oil, and opium.
Because of the vested interests at work here, American citizens must,
more than at any other time in recent history, rely on themselves to
decide what is happening in our nation. Too many of those who purport
to report the "truth" to us are eager to grab more tax money and more
children to pour into a war of invasion, poised at a region which has
swallowed up every army that has tried to conquer it since the time
of Alexander The Great.
And one more thing. Take a good look at the map of Eurasia and plot
out where the United States has military deployments. They march in a
straight line through the middle of Eurasia, Macedonia, Bosnia,
Kosovo, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenia, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan.
The United States is prepared to cut the Russian Federation off from
the oil rich middle east, and to control transportation routes from
China and India into the Middle East. When Russia realizes that this
is the real agenda, that's when "Dubya Dubya Three" will really get
going!
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Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:30:55 -0800
To: matrioshka@yahoogroups.com
From: Gerardus
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Subject: Re: [matrioshka] Re: Dialysis
At 04:28 AM 11/2/2001 -0000, you wrote:
--- In matrioshka@y..., "Rush" wrote:
Interesting. Now it seems that the dialysis story WAS NOT an
United Press International piece, someone changed the sourcing and
sent it out that way. That certainly undermines it's credibility,
along with the fact that none of the other outlets are carrying
the "story"...
PROVE IT!
Jojo
Gerardus here:
What difference does it really make what's wrong or right with Bin? The
killing will go on with or without him. The entire idea of fighting, war
and killing is so retarded and without a solution, that indeed a president
with the mentality of a grade three student is needed to begin it and keep
it going blindly. BUT just a minute!! Hold everything!! Pardon me - I
forgot for a moment there - that wars are started and fought to benefit big
business. How could I forget that Greed is God?? Shame on me...
In the mean time, I see the entire world as a scenario for Souls to have
experiences in human bodies. I can also see that it might be useful to
experience the full gamut of human experiences. How ignorant do we need to
become however in order to experience a gamut so horrible that it puts us
into state of indifference? The older I become and the more I think I have
become aware of what is - the more I know that I know nothing, and the more
I shake my head and have trouble not to judge anyone. The more we have
separated from the God We Are - the more insane we have become...
How deep is Insanity? - Gerardus
(Hello to you Jeff Norg)
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Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 07:42:00 -0800
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Subject: [4D-STO-C] The Astral Realms and Higher...
Hello 4-Ders...
The following might be true, might be nonsense, or it might be in between.
In the mean time, I thought I should share this with you and see what happens.
Now, all this is mostly for beginners so you big Souls be patient please.
The big stuff I have to think of yet...
Feel free to comments or just sit there. Twiddle something maybe...
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There are Seven Densities.
Some people call them wrongfully "Dimensions".
1) Atoms and Minerals exist there.
2) Plants and Animals exist (live) there.
3) Human beings live or exist there.
4) The UFO People and the Dracos or Reptilians live or exist there.
The religions call them Satan or Devils. Others we call Angels!
They are able to travel Time...
5) The place you call Heaven. (Dead people go there)
In actuality it is a region with certain frequency ranges in the universal
mind we could call the "Place of Contemplation". We have thoughts there of
our last lifetime and prepare ourselves for the next lifetime...
6) The region where very wise Beings live who could be called Co-Creators.
They look after worlds and their species. Genetic Engineers live there.
They create new Beings and Species...
7) The Region of the Universal Mind that is strictly Mental and Spiritual
and looks after the Creation of new Galaxies and Planets. (I think)
It knows all things. It is in Bliss so to speak. This is the realm
where every Soul ends up eventually and then aspects of these Souls start
allover again in Density #1. The universe is in the Recycling Business!
Nothing is thrown away for there is no place to throw it...
The Universe recycles within itself the same way as the cells of our body
renew themselves and maintain the body we live in. When we learn how to
raise our level of Awareness to higher levels like Jesus did - we will be
able to ascend and take our body with us. There are other people who have
done that! Sometimes we are picked up by so called UFOs and they take us for
a ride or they take us to our next place of being. Ezekiel went for a ride
with the Gods as you know. He spoke to higher beings. All things and
Beings together ARE --> ***All That Is*** (Or God if you like).
Looking for Density Four - Gerardus
(Have you seen it some place?)
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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:54:48 -0800
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Subject: RE: [4D-STO-C] Get a load of this !
At 03:50 PM 11/7/2001 +1300, you wrote:
I guess you remember the student asking the master what is real? The
master hummed and hawed a bit and then hit the student over the head with
his cane. Bong! There the master said: now you know what real is...
Ouch - Gerardus
BTW:
Your mini revelation is a revelation from a 3D perspective.
Not bad at all as far as it goes.
3D perspectives are all illusionary self-created realities...
Fiona here:
Yeah, I could have explained it better probably - I know what the picture
looks like but find it hard to put into words -
Gerardus here:
I thought that it came through quite clearly, no trouble grokking it.
Lifetimes are like Movie-Video-Tapes. Once you seen them all, you can play
each one again, out of time-order so to speak and every time you play it,
you can understand the lives in all the other tapes better. They become
clearer yet for you have learned more after you have seen the last
lifetime. You could this forever so to speak. All you need is more
life-tapes...
Also, we spoke about this before I think, bodies stay in time/space and
possibly YOU could live MY life by using my body - since all bodies are
approached from the timeless region. Naturally it would become your life
then for you would do different things with my body. As a matter of fact,
one could live everybody's life first before one could live one's own.
Hello!!
That last sentence is kind of puzzling maybe, but not really, for if we
live lives in each other's bodies, just in order to have experiences -
which is your or my life? None really - we just live them both. Or
possibly millions could live in the same body and live that life
differently. It's all illusion anyway. No wonder I got so many voices in
my head. All these people want to speak to the list all it once. I think
next time I am going to look for a virgin body - brand new and never been
fooled around with. All this we could call parallel souls from the body's
point of view. Could this be the multi-personality syndrome...?
Funny thoughts - Gerardus
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Dated as Above!
Gerardus here:
I do think that the sequential time frames in which we live lifetimes in 3D
makes it a lot easier to understand how incarnation works. Also, it gives us
the idea that we are not the body - but that we just wear a body in order to
be on earth. When we later on begin to grasp the illusionary nature of 3D -
the entire theory of re-incarnation begins to change. Then we can see that
in a no-time frame we live all lifetimes simultaneously and then we must
begin to look from the Soul's point of view. This in itself is a quantum
leap in thinking for most of us... I want the next leap - Gerardus
Fiona here:
Brilliant !! I have tried to look at things from the souls point of view
also. I find this an easier platform than trying to do it from here in 3D.
From that angle I can just float around the whole creation thing and view it
from the outside. Works for me.
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Date: 11 Nov 2001 18:48:50 -0000
From science-l-error@spiritweb.org Sun Nov 11 10:47:44 2001
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Subject: [science-l] Re: Fw: testing the effects of the global 11/11
At 08:10 AM 11/11/2001 -0000, you wrote:
Princeton University scientist Roger Nelson of THE GLOBAL
CONSCIOUSNESS PROJECT, http://noosphere.princeton.edu/,
is interested in testing the effects of the world coming together
to meditate on PEACE, LOVE, AND LIGHT, AND BALANCE
on November 11, 11 a.m-11:15 a.m. Please join the world for
this important event.
Those who wish to use sound, please do so. Information here:
http://www.globalmeditations.com/novsound.htm
Gerardus wondering here:
Could it be that the world is exactly what it is supposed to be?
We as Souls come here to have experiences of all kinds. If Peace ever
broke out (what a funny thought) we would all sit around drinking tea and
gossip (roddle) about nothing, for there would be absolutely nothing to
talk about. There would be nothing new any time any place. The entire world
would be an enormous bore. Most of us would not even want to re-incarnate
to this earth. There would be no lessons to learn, nothing to create and
nothing to destroy either...
Is not God the Creator and the Destroyer?
And is not this done by means of Mankind?
America and the world have come full circle:
Sixty years ago Americans and many other people of the world were busy
destroying Fascism by defeating Germany. Pretty soon they will be in the
process of defending it! The USA is in the beginning stages of becoming a
Police State and Fascism will be established in due course. The Third Reich
has moved locations and Americans are welcoming it. They are asking for
protection! In the mean time - it does not take too long to figure out that
all happenings are created by the Secret Government of the World (NWO) for
this is the "force" behind all happenings...
The next scenario to expect will be, more random acts of terrorism anywhere
in the world, where it will have the most effect upon the fear levels of
the world population. Then possibly, Chinese Soldiers will come to keep
order in the USA and American soldiers will keep order somewhere else.
Soldiers very seldom shoot to kill their own people. I have read about and
seen pictures of concentration camps in the USA already. The sad thing is
that all this is needed for the population of the world requires it. It
needs to be awakened from its sleep...
The world is like Third Grade in Elementary School. We pass through it when
all the lessons are learned. While we pass through Grade Three we do not
change the curriculum of Grade Three. It's fine the way it is! It is the
same with the world - changing it for the sake of making it "better" would
make it impossible for anybody to graduate to Grade Four or Fourth Density...
The trick is to see through what is happening in the world and smile. All
in all - this means that the universe knows what it is doing. The
aggressive nature of Mankind needs to be dissipated with knowledge.
Knowledge is the result of Experience...
For more: http://www.soulwise.net/25a-tgs.htm
The ignorant need to be made aware by whatever it takes - Gerardus
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:32:06 -0800
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Subject: Re: [matrioshka] Re: Thinking out loud Part Deux
At 05:46 PM 11/15/2001 -0000, you wrote:
Someone mentioned Nirvana and the One earlier.
I confess, it was me. but read carefully.
It is another of my pet peeves.
Why would I want to dissolve into blissful nothingness?
indeed. being tumbled into the eagle's beak isn't desirable? :)
has anyone ever wondered, that one-ness and return to it can at least
psychologically be interpreted as a desire for recollectivization and
the end of self-conscious existence?
Gerardus here:
Looking into my mud - I see that one does not have to return to anything.
If we in the higher densities are able to travel time - we can always go
back in time and change things around. IOW: the entire scenario looks like
a Kaleidoscope and all we do is change the pattern to enjoy a different
view. This means that there is no first or last lifetime - there are only
endless amounts of them, for at any one time, we could enter into each and
every function, body or scenario we desire...
Simple - Gerardus
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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:22:00 -0800
To: 4d-sto-c@yahoogroups.com
From: Gerardus
Subject: [4D-STO-C] What is Spirit - what is Soul?
Gerardus here:
People send me questions and here follows one of these notes.
I answered and I figured, I might as well send this to 4D as well...
Naturally the answers are only my opinions - Gerardus
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Hello Gerardus,
Now, all I need to find out for sure what a soul, an oversoul,
an ensouled container, a soulless container etc. etc. is. Everybody talks,
but no one seems to say anything. You tell me - what is the spirit and
what is the soul. What's their purpose? Are they connected?
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Hello Asker...
What is Spirit - what is Soul?
All Energy in the Universe is Spirit in some form or another.
We could even call it Consciousness (aware and unaware)
Spirit:
Spirit becomes Soul when Spirit/Energy has become individualized or
personalized by means of living human or other lives. So, we could say that
a tiger has Soul - a Tiger Soul. For a canary this would be a Canary-Soul.
Spirit then becomes special or soul by living specific lives in specific
bodies or forms...
Soul:
Soul we also could call "a program".
A specific program lives in human bodies and is called a human Soul. It
experiences human lives until it knows how to stay away from human physical
planets. Same thing with Tiger Souls and Canary Souls - they might have to
go through the human stages yet in order to promote themselves to a realm
that does not incarnate into the physical anymore - unless it specifically
WANTS TO...
Oversouls:
Oversouls are very Aware Energies that run more than one Program or Soul.
Some overSouls might have thousands of program or other souls "working" for
them in all kinds of different times and places and/or planets. There
really is no end to what can be expereinced since the universe is an
infinite back yeard.
Ensouled containers:
Bodily form that are aware that they are more than the body. They could be
say as little as 1% soul and 99% body. They have some inkling though that
they are more than meat...
Soulless container:
This is a bodily form that is not aware that it is anything else but what it
sees. (Meat) In the human realm we could call them human robots and they
believe/think that when their body dies - they have had it! Result: they
might not be aware on the other side - since their "belief" creates their
reality - on this side AND the other side. We could call them "Unaware
Souls".
Soulless containers are specific energies but not aware or awake enough even
to pick their next life so to speak. Helpers and Guides send them some place
to be born and eventually they become aware Souls. They are born
unconsciously! Reincarnation and Experience will do the trick.
We could also
see a "Soulless Container" as a robot/computer without a program. It runs
by whatever it is told or typed (talked) into. It can contain programs
that could be erased easily and replaced with another program in order to fit
the occasion. Usually we call these people mind controlled...
Spirit and Soul:
They are connected naturally for Soul is a Spirit that has a specific
orientation or fitness to live certain lifetimes in certain bodies or
containers...
The purpose of Life - ALL LIFE:
The purpose of Life is to become more and more consciously aware. This
means, that there is a natural progression to Life and this is why we move
from density to density - forever climbing to the Top. At the moment mankind
is in third density and many of us will soon be moving to fourth density.
Those who will not move will repeat the cycle of third density. In many
ways, we all repeat certain cycles for learning is work! Most people just
sit there and are either controlled or enslaved, while they think they are
free. The real work is to break free from the conditioning of the world.
This control is unobtrusively imposed by the Religions, the Politicians and
the Bankers. In many ways, the world is a "prison" to which we return and
return, until we have learned all our lessons. Naturally you do not have to
believe this for belief is useless in the first place. Life is about
knowing! This means conscious awareness through knowledge and experience,
lifetime by lifetime, world by world, universe by universe...
Soul - Gerardus
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:31:25 -0800
To: gerardus@otvcablelan.net
From: Gerardus
Subject: The reality we create...
Gerardus here:
I thought some of you might like the following:
The reality we experience in the world is a happening created by the
combined creative abilities of many people and beings. No one person or
being, creates something all but her/himself - except maybe the arrangement
of the furniture. In general, I feel that the more evolved we are, the more
we are able to create our own realities or versions thereof...
This also means that a full-fledged master is able to create anything s/he
wants to. Whatever is created is an illusion in the first place for it is
mind in form. The whole of creation is a mind thing! We live in Mind - not
in Matter! No one lives in physical reality - it is mind in a certain form,
or density, and we happen to call it physicality or matter. Matter does not
really exist - except for those who are still caught fully in the illusion.
They call matter REAL.
I call matter an illusion for my senses/brain and conscious mind are fooled
by the energy-field matter projects or is. Matter is an
"electromagnetic-energy-field" of a certain kind. Our scientists have not
been able to measure this field for example. However they are coming pretty
close. Matter is a standing wave of a "specific-mind-pattern-and-frequency".
Matter is 99.9999% empty!
Consciousness or Mind has "command" over these energy fields. All things or
people are energy-fields. This is why we (as another energy-field) are able
to sense or feel others...
To learn how to create our own realities completely, is the purpose of our
existence on this earth. It does not mean that everyone has to agree on this,
for we all have our own reasons for being here, and all of us are able to
call it quits any time, after we have learned how to stay away from this
matter plane. Most of us are not able to do this for we are born
automatically and unconsciously.
Awakening to "what is" is the task. This is done with
Knowledge and Practise. To love doing this is loving the world. It means we
love our work...
One day and life at the time - SoulGerardus
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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:45:42 -0800
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From: Gerardus
Subject: Re: [matrioshka] Conversation with God
At 04:12 PM 11/22/2001 -0800, you wrote:
I got this from a friend this morning in e-mail and wanted to pass it on...
Blessings and Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate it
Olga
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Subject: Dialogue with God
A TALK WITH GOD
Am I YOU, God?
No... but, yes...
I'm just a PART of you, right? Like an offspring...
Not exactly...
C'mon, God! Give it up! Tell me!
Okay... see if you can understand. YOU are ME!
That's what I just asked and you said no!
Listen carefully...
There is NO you... there is ONLY me...
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Thank you Olga! Very Good Indeed!!
That little piece is true from God's point of view.
Here is mine:
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The Creator to me, is an infinite underlying universal energy. This energy
is of an unconscious nature. It is unconscious or unaware because it is
completely absorbed in creating creation. It is so absorbed that it has
become, or is - its creation. It has no self-awareness! It has lost itself
within creation. This is why the Creator is unconscious.
This means to me, that when we as the created have reach a certain level of
awareness, we are capable of become self-aware. Our self-awareness can expand
and expand, until we eventually become totally aware. At that moment, we
discover that Creation is a Self-Expression!
Since the Creator is not self-aware IS the reason that we are able to reach
a level of awareness by which we recognize that We and Creation are One. It
means naturally, that we are the Creator and the Created simultaneously!
This is why Life is a Celebration...
Pondering my creation above - Gerardus
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Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:10:22 -0800
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Gerardus here:
The Creator to me, is an infinite underlying universal energy. This energy
is of an unconscious nature. It is unconscious or unaware because it is
completely absorbed in creating creation. It is so absorbed that it has
become, or is - its creation. It has no self-awareness! It has lost itself
within creation. This is why the Creator is unconscious.
This means to me, that when we as the created have reach a certain level of
awareness, we are capable of become self-aware. Our self-awareness can
expand
and expand, until we eventually become totally aware. At that moment, we
discover that Creation is a Self-Expression!
Since the Creator is not self-aware IS the reason that we are able to reach
a level of awareness by which we recognize that We and Creation are One. It
means naturally, that we are the Creator and the Created simultaneously!
This is why Life is a Celebration...
Pondering my creation above - Gerardus
(Comments are Welcome)
Fiona here:
Yes, I agree with that. We are all creators. We created the world we live
in, we created the belief systems that we adhere to, we put it all together
in consciousness then watched it manifest and came out to play in it. We
did such a good job that we lost ourselves in it also - but then maybe the
getting lost was all part of the game plan.
I cannot answer as to whether creator is self aware or not - that one is a
mystery still.
Gerardus here:
I sometimes compare the Universal Energy to Electricity, the stuff that
flows through your toaster and TV. The power of Electricity has no clue as
to what it flows through. It is not a "being" as such. It is also like air.
Does air know, or is it aware, it keeps your tires round? I see the
Universal Energy or God the same way. It IS! That's all! And it is up to
us to learn to use it to our advantage...
In the mean time, the universe is a DUALITY - meaning half of it is used for
so called good work and the other half is used for bad work. Their has to be
something to apply our energies to. If all Universal Energy was one-way, the
universe would be impossible. This is why I say the Creator (or Universal
Energy) is unconscious of what it is doing, as well as that it is not
self-aware.
This does not mean that there are not very aware Co-Creators in
the universe who create worlds and or galaxies when they are not too busy.
Naturally there are! We are also a co-creator, like you said Fiona, we
create all the time and it maintains the world with all its happenings.
Sometimes there are happenings that are necessary and some of them we do not
like...
However - what I say is not always so - Gerardus
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:33:16 +1300
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Subject: RE: [4D-STO-C] Re: To Change Prophesy
Hi Triaka...
I do not think that anything happening in the world, of whatever nature, is
not in harmony with cosmic laws. The way things are is BECAUSE of cosmic
laws. I do not see that the world is a place that need to be fixed. Yes,
we go through different times, different periods, and all this gives us
different experiences. Life is a duality. Love or understanding to me
means - we understand why the world is what it is and say - God saw that it
was Good. I agree with this. That does not mean that I like wars or
killing. The thing is, that others need to have their lessons. How can we
deny them to have their lessons of experiencing war or misery?
Beats me - Gerardus
Hi Gerardus - Triaka here:
Are humans not "gods" with godlike powers of "mind over matter"? Isn't it
possible to create heaven on earth if we align ourselves with cosmic laws
(as we do with gravity)? Aren't we supporting human misery with our taxes
and allegiances to warring governments? I choose to create a new paradigm
and not acquiesce to the old one.
Hello Triaka - Gerardus here:
God or the Creative Universal Energy is all of us. And indeed, by living
lives we come to the conclusion, ONE by ONE, that the Power Within is the
Universal Power. This is a personal or individual conclusion and truth and
is not understood by the masses. They are still believing in stories and
many are waiting to be saved. I am not sure by what or what for...
In your case, you do have godlike powers of "mind over matter" - so use
them. Step out and create your own heaven on Earth. To create heavens for
others is interfering with their free will. We all have to create our own.
THIS IS WHY we entered this world, to eventually, one by one, enter the
Buddha or Christ Consciousness. That as I see it - is heaven on earth. We
cannot create this en mass against the will of billions. They would kill
you if you told them what you want to do (They killed Jesus according to
the stories we hear). We all live our own life in which we act in
agreement to the level of our awareness or evolvement. The masses are
lagging a bit...
Do not wait for them - Gerardus
BTW:
In the mean time - do you know what heaven is like?
Maybe we have been in it all along and do not recognize it.
People tell me it is within - who knows - they might be right!
Fiona here:
As always I agree with Gerardus, yawn !
We have to live in allowance of others and whatever it is they want to
create/manifest. Anyway, what would we do with a Heaven on Earth? To me
that would be a complete bore. It may suit some, but then what... We need
friction otherwise everything becomes stiff and boring. To have a heavenly
existence we really should be incarnating into places where this is the
norm. We have come here because we wanted to experience the whole play, we
didn't come to fix any of it, merely to experience it.
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:35:35 +1300
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Subject: RE: [4D-STO-C] We are all Actors with a script...
Gerardus here:
Sometimes the world changes for the worse or worst. We think that this is
crazy or that we are going backwards. Why? Sometimes the world changes for
the worse or worst, because the people incarnated on this planet, at this
time, have a certain program/script to complete. Put many of them together
and the world becomes very weird. I am not a bible freak, but the book might
be right in this case - "There are Seasons for all Things". So, I suggest,
not to be concerned about changing the world. It will change when the Season
changes...
Another point I am thinking about here.
All human beings are actors upon the stage of the world. We all arrive with
our lines, script or program. This script or program is so powerful that
many of it accept it as the truth. This might be fine for them, but it
becomes a great hinder when we look at others and judge them by using our
own script or truth...
The point here is, that we can only see others by means of, and through,
our own script or program. No wonder they do not fit! They do not fit
because they have their own script or program. In the mean time, all this
should be so, for how else can we create a world upon which we receive our
lessons in order to expand our mind or awareness?
All in all this means naturally - do not judge! That's also from the book I
think. We can only change ourselves! Finally -- I think I used to be a
preacher and it's hard to get rid of my program. It kind of lingers...
I am trying - Gerardus
Fiona here:
Yes, it is all about self. We are here for US, not anybody else.
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:33:34 -0800
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Subject: [4D-STO-C] We are Actors with a sript...
Gerardus here:
The universe is an automatic re-cycling semi-evolutionary phenomenon, that
has its participants start at the bottom and they slowly climb up to higher
levels. As soon as they are at the top (Say three billion years in and out
of time), individual aspects of the Whole begin at the bottom again as
elements or simple atoms. All along the way up, they are guided/raised by
those ahead of them, into individual entities who eventually graduate at the
top of which aspects start at bottom level once again...
As I see things, the universe in and by itself never had a big bang for
example. They are redundant! It renews itself as our body does - cell by
cell. So, there are only local changes and these include renewals of
galaxies in the long run, by means of changes to solar systems and whatever
else swirls around. These local changes naturally include changes to
planets, and/or people or beings, and/or email lists and/or so called new
members (Some just re-appear with different names but the same IP Server).
All Things and beings are the same Essence or Energy. Call it what you
like, God, the Creator, Consciousness, All That Is, or Stuff.
WE are IT... Simple!
There is nothing else to do - Gerardus
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:39:25 -0800
To: 4D-STO-C@yahoogroups.com
From: Gerardus
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Subject: Re: [4D-STO-C] The Creator and the Created...
At 09:08 AM 11/30/2001 -0800, you wrote:
Dear Gerardus ,
Well...hm...I always seem to resort to the good ol' Hermetic basis of
correspondences when there is an "unknown" - ie) is Creation conscious or
unconscious. My guess is conscious, yours is unconscious...here are 2
analogies, one for each side
Hello Patricia...
Before you begin your analogies, I would like to say here that I do not see
"Creation" and the "Created" as the same thing or things. Do you?
Creation is like an Audience, while the Created makes up the Audience. An
audience is not conscious of anything - the people in it could be, and will
be - each to their own level of awareness. This is also the way I see
Creation with the Created in it. From worm, to mouse, to human, to genius.
All the created are aware to a certain extend, so each member from low to
high is aware of its own measure, of its own level in order to be what they
need to be. While "creation" like an "audience" is not aware of anything.
In the mean time - still - God is Creation...
From the created arise the Great Awarenesses who each in their turn reach
God-Awareness or the Creator's Awareness - illumination or whatever one
might want to call it. This could be a temporary state, it also could be a
permanent state - the Master State or the Buddha or Christ Consciousness
State. Let's say that only one individual reaches this state in a thousand
years. And almost 7 billion people are standing in line...
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Patricia here:
Creation as Conscious: When we are mature (conscious) we tend to have
offspring who, in the beginning (and up to Grade 3...) are not conscious,
but have the full potential of becoming so. The people of the Earth seem to
be only on the brink of becoming conscious. So it MAY be that God is
simply looking at God, by reproducing Itself ...and that we, as
personalities are little gods and goddesses in training, ultimately becoming
co-creators. (Very Ultimately!)
Gerardus here:
YES! Except for the first three words here. ""Creation as Conscious"" - I
do not agree with this. God IS Creation "or" the Creator IS Creation. They
ARE the same thing! A Collective, an Audience or Creation is not conscious.
Yet, we could say that we live in a conscious creation - meaning we live
among beings of which some are aware or conscious...
Creation as such is a group word. I am not sure how words like these are
called in English. It is like an audience or like a chess club - the
audience or the chess-club are/is not conscious - while the people or the
different "members" who make up the group or collective - the "members"
might have potential to become conscious or aware. Depends on what group
they are in...
Mankind or Humanity is an aspect of creation but as a collective it has no
self-identity and cannot be conscious or aware. Not of itself or of
anything! Members of these groups however, have all the potential in the
universe to become aware, and self-aware, and eventually they will realize.
Members, one by one, have individuality or a self and this self is growing
toward more knowledge and enlightenment by means of experiences. Nothing
much happens to the group or the masses - they stay down there somewhere -
eating and multiplying. They are the soil out of which the individual
arises...
More or less this is what the entire purpose of Creation is all about - to
bring forth individual Souls who are capable to eventually become
Individual Gods or Creators. In the mean time - the Group of the Masses
create nothing. They only consume so to speak. So, the purpose of Creation
is Quality, not Quantity...
So, to the last part under which you state "Creation as Conscious:" I
agree. But I do not agree that Creation as Conscious or is Conscious.
Creation is the group name...
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Patricia here:
Creation as Unconscious: When we dream, the creations in our dreams
(thinking of the people here) are not conscious that they are in a dream.
But the dreamer upon waking is conscious of having dreamed those people.
(Aside from Lucid dreaming that is, which is a Nother Matter) So this would
support your side...that the Creator is asleep (unconscious) while all the
dreaming is going on (Creation).
Gerardus here:
YES!!! Now we are getting somewhere. I see the entire Creation and the
Created as a DREAM. A Dream of the Creator. So, this Force, or Self is
dreaming the entire thing and it becomes real to the dream-figments of the
Dreamer. No wonder it does! Now, here come my point ---> Who is this
Dreamer???
WE ARE THIS DREAMER - we are the Creator dreaming. We are the Creator and
the Created simultaneously! The trouble is that we are unconscious of our
dream - we are not aware that we are dreaming. We even think that we are
awake! Not so!! We call the masses sleepers, but we are sleepers just the
same! Just a different level of sleep or level of awareness...
Note here:
The Creator or God or Creation ARE the same thing, the same phenomenon.
These names are group-names. No ID so to speak. So how could they be aware
of self? Or even aware of anything? They just are! (God is! no more no
less) God or the Creator are like Electricity - they do their thing but
they are not aware of what they are doing - unconscious...
We think/feel that the Dreamer is something or someone else. Not so! We
are IT, we are the Dreamer dreaming! To awaken from this dream is what we
are working on. In the mean time, the Creator (or We) is/are unconscious of
creating creation in its/our dream OR we are unconscious of creating
creation in our dream and yet we do create. We need to become conscious of
what we create! Become conscious Creators. Needless to say that our
ordinary life is the dream!
Here is the last big point ---- The Creator, or We, can only become aware
of what it is doing, by means of the figments or people in the dream - one
at the time. So, the Creator we are, can only become aware of itself by
means of its dream-figments. By means of the You and I - the you and I who
are slowly awakening to THE BIG WHAT IS...
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Patricia here:
But then...who knows, maybe the Creator (or the Creative Energy) is a Lucid
dreamer lol!
Gerardus here:
Precisely!!! The thing is that the Dream is so interesting that the
dreamer does not want to awaken for it would miss the dream - the action.
NOW, only when one comes to the conclusion that the dream or action is
nonsense anyway, is there a chance that we might want to forego it and work
on awakening to the Infinite Giant within...
Nice Chat or Dream Patricia - Gerardus
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:58:51 -0800
To: 4D-STO-C@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [4D-STO-C] We are One, are we not?
Reply-To: 4D-STO-C@yahoogroups.com
At 04:59 PM 12/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:
If we are all as one, or "The One," we should know, when choosing a
physical body that we are going to experience this type of illusion.
But if we are separate souls, then I think the idea of not having a clue
is a valid one.
Hello Phyllis...
The following is what I think/feel/intuit. However, many, if not most
people, would not agree with me. So, if you belong to those -
congratulations to them and you! If you do not belong to them, you do not
need congratulations - for you have your inner smile to take care
of things...
Here we go:
We are all One alright - for there is but one Energy. This Energy we could
call God... or the Light... or the Truth... or the One Mind... or The
Biggest Bronckle. In my view, the One-Energy projects unconscious aspects
of itself into its creation - into its dream. Within this creation/dream
these unconscious aspects take their chances (and changes) and slowly but
surely become consciously aware of who or what they are. It means they
become - Conscious Energy...
So, aspects of this unconscious Energy attain conscious awareness, by means
of their experiences in the manifested Side of Creation. These unconscious
aspects of the One-Energy, do not BEGIN as members of mankind. These
aspects begin as infinitely small atoms, or life-cells, within the body of
creation. After billions of years say, they reach the stage of being a
conscious and/or self-aware member of Mankind. Yet, at all times, they are
one with the One-Energy, but this knowledge is hidden from them. Slowly but
surely by traveling through the different densities of creation they reach
the top Level - The Biggest Bronckle!
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Phyllis here:
I believe that we are part of the One God One Universe and that we
simply live to learn and grow and "Experience" (or experiment, if you
will), so that God can know himself!! I don't think God knows
"everything" yet, because we haven't done "everything" yet. We and God
are still "experiencing" and "learning" what happens if........, Or
wonder if I did thus instead of so, if..........?
Gerardus here:
Yes, we simply live and learn so that God can know itself. Question is -
Who is the God or Bronckle?? Answer - we are IT! You are IT!
Only because of
our journey are we able to become fully aware of our infinite Greatness.
Life is an Awakening. Yes, it is also an experience, and by means of
experiences we awaken. When we have awakened enough to make conscious
choices - life becomes our conscious creation. Not to may people have
reached that stage...
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Phyllis here:
So how's that for a person who always thought of herself as a rather
conservative Jew?
Gerardus here:
Yes, that is very Good!
It is an enormous accomplishment to get far enough to understand what you
say. Especially for a Jew - for most of them are still waiting for their
Saviour to appear. Earth is their waiting-room. In the mean time - we all
know that the only Saviour is the One We Are...
No one else is needed - Gerardus
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:24:14 -0800
To: davidicke-networking2000@yahoogroups.com
From: Gerardus
Subject: Re: [davidicke-networking2000] Waiting For Some Replys...
Reply-To: davidicke-networking2000@yahoogroups.com
At 05:39 PM 12/14/2001 -0000, you wrote:
I would like to have your ideas on a very crucial
point of science, which I describe briefly below. I am
working on this subject as a project and will be
privileged to hear your interpretations on the
following questions:
Hi Greg - Gerardus here:
I will try to respond and answer some of you excellent points
and questions. I usually speak nonsense but one never knows...
Greg here:
1. The light coming from an object is transformed into
electrical signals by the cells in the eye and then
transmitted to the center of vision in
the brain. And the electrical signals there are turned
into an image. For example you actually see this
message in your brain. Then who is the
one that sees and perceives the image of this message
in the brain? How do you define the consciousness that
can see this image in the brain without
the need of an eye?
Gerardus here:
All things and beings in the universe are "energies". We as human beings
are "aware-energies"! This means that we are organized energies. The energy
we are - has arranged itself in such a way that it is possibly to sense or
"feel" other energies. Superimposed upon our "aware-energy", is another
Energy and this Energy is what could be called a Unit of Universal Energy or
Soul...
The Soul then, as an aspect of the Universe is "seeing" or sensing the light
coming from an object by means of the eye/brain/mind we usually call the
body. The thing we live in! We are not the body! We are the Soul or Unit
of Universal Energy. The Soul or Spirit we are then, is able to "sense" the
pictures seen by the body. The body with it senses, brains and body-mind
"thinks" it is doing the living, but in actuality the Soul is the one who
animates it and feels what's going on in the Physical. It needs to live in a
body in order to do that...
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Greg here:
2. Brain is a piece of flesh composed of lipids,
proteins and other various molecules. Could the
consciousness that sees this image be this piece
of flesh? Or could the brain cells make up a
consciousness that sees these electrical signals as a
sea view or an e-mail message?
Gerardus here:
The Consciousness or Soul is not really this piece of flesh - but it might
as well be - for when it lives in the body, it is not aware that it is not
the body. This knowing or awareness is reached by studying Metaphysics or
whatever it takes to understand that there are Two Things that have merged
into one. The Soul-Mind and the Body-Mind. I wrote an article about that
some time ago and here it is: http://www.soulwise.net/14tsmat.htm
At so called death, the Soul-Mind separates again from the body and it takes
with it a condensed version of the experiences it had in the body. The
Consciousness or Soul's purpose is to live in bodies and have experiences in
it. It does this until it knows how to stay away from the matter world.
There are better places so to speak...
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Greg here:
3. No light penetrates the skull, which means the
brain is entirely in darkness. Then how does such an
illuminated, clear image is formed in
this pitch-dark place? For instance how are the rays
of the sun seen over the unlit brain cortex?
Gerardus here:
The body is not a solid thing! It is 99.999999% emptiness. We only experience
the body or the matter world as solid. The world as we know it is an
illusion. It is universal energy in a certain form. We call this form --->
matter. Since the Soul lives in matter and thinks it is matter - all things
seem to be solid. Like meets like! In actuality things and bodies in this
world have approximately the same frequency and they experience each other
as solid. In actuality, there is no matter in and by itself. When we live
in a body, we live in a filter or lens that only lets matter-frequencies
through. Most of what exists "out there" is filtered out and we do not
experience it. We are severely limited by the body. It fools us...
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Greg here:
4. Also no sound enters the brain. This means there is
deep muteness where the brain exists. However, people
listen to all different sounds
inside the brain. The sound waves are turned into
electrical signals inside of the ear and then
transmitted to the center of hearing. And the
consciousness inside the brain listens to these for
instance as a melody. Then who is it that listens to
the loud music aired from powerful loudspeakers and
how?
Gerardus here:
Well, I think I have explained above, but the same Consciousness or Soul
senses sound or light or anything else - for all things are vibrations or
frequencies of energy. There is only energy that vibrates. These vibrations
have all kinds of different frequencies and the higher frequencies belong to
the higher planes of being so to speak. In actuality, there is but one
Force experiencing all things. This Force is what we are! At present
however, we have limited ourselves, so that we do not experience all things
all at once - for it would blow our mind. Our human mind that is. Our human
mind is a very limited instrument. Filtered to a crack of next to
nothing... (N2N)
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Greg here:
5. The image is formed inside a miniature spot in the
brain. Then how is the three-dimensional image with
depth is formed on this diminutive screen? For
instance when I look at the horizon or the sky, how is
such an image with vast depth is formed at this tiny
spot of center of vision just as identical to its
original with the same depth and sense of distance?
What is it that gives me the feeling of distance and
space?
Gerardus here:
What you are speaking of here - comes down to the nitty-gritty of how it
works. I have not got a clue how it works. The body is such an amazing
instrument and does such next to impossible things that I am lost to explain
it. More or less we are like people turning on Computers or TVs but we have
not got a clue how they work. All we are able to do is turn them on! We're
pretty dumb see...
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Greg here:
6. When a person sees a glass of water, in fact he
does not see its real form but only a copy of it in
his brain. The coldness that he feels when touching
the glass surface is not the real coldness of the
glass but only a copy of it. This means nobody is ever
able to feel that he touches the real glass. Since it
is not his fingers that feel the sense of touch, but
merely the sense of touch in the brain. Should we not
in this case conclude that people are never able to
reach the reality of objects and can never
touch the reality of a glass? But not every person
knows this fact. Everyone thinks they touch and see
real objects. Is it not strange that people
are not aware of this and they never think about this?
Gerardus here:
You are right! People are fooled by their body. They are also fooled by what
they have been taught! They have been taught nonsense! Then, most of what
the body-brain sees or senses is what we have been taught to see or
experience. In the mean time, we never really touch anything. What we do is
press one energy-field (us) close to another energy-field and somehow we get
an impression of what the other energy-field is like. We are able to do
this, because on a different level we are BOTH energy-fields! There is only
ONE Mind or Consciousness and we are ALL of it. When we sense another then
- we really sense ourselves in a different form. There really is no other!
Living in a matter-illusion however - makes us believe that there are many
others and things. Not so! Trick is to understand that there really is but
One Thing! Energy. We are it! All of it!
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Greg here:
7. Nothing changes when a person is hit by a bus or
comes across a lion. Since, just like the image of the
bus, the sense of collision or the fear while running
away from a lion, all form in the brain. When I see a
bus, I see it at the center of vision inside my brain.
If I go and hold the door of the bus, I feel the
coldness of the metal inside my brain. Then I
cannot discriminate from this fact what happens when I
feel pain if a bus hits or a lion bites. Then is it
not very illogical when people say 'it shows I
am in contact with the bus or the lion because I feel
pain when the bus hits or the lion bites'?
Gerardus here:
From our experiences of living lifetimes in a matter world, we eventually
learn and know what to expect, for we have imagination. This imagination is
really our subconsciousness speaking up and projecting what could happen if
we do certain things. Our subconsciousness is our unit of universal energy
or our Soul. This is the Universal Student so to speak. It comes here to
learn, and eventually KNOW! It is an "Individual Energy" and we are it. We
are a lot more, but for now - we are our Soul - and live in a body. The body
is our instrument and only because of this body are we as Souls able to live
in a matter world. The matter world is like grade three. We learn our
lessons and go to grade four. From 3D to 4D...
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Greg here:
8. We live the entire period of our lives inside our
brains. In a similar way, we also have dreams in our
brain. For instance when we touch a piece of ice in
our dream, we feel it is wet and cold. Or, when we
smell a rose, we get the wonderful scent of it. We
again sense the feelings of fear, pain, anxiety and
panic in a similar fashion. Then are the dreams and
the real life the same in this sense?
Gerardus here:
In a sense they are different dreams - yes! The one we call "being awake"
and the other "dreaming". In the mean time, our actual physical life is a
dream - for we are not the body and we are not living in a solid. Our life
then is equal to a dream or illusion. Yet, it is reality! Actually,
Realities and Illusions are the same things!! There are only illusions and
we live in a virtual world or landscape. So - What is Real? The Spirit or
Soul living in this illusion is the Real Thing. It is an infinitely small
aspect of the Creator... or the One! Please note that I do not use part or
portion here. There are no such things in the universe. There is but One
Thing - Energy! Our Life as a human being is a dream and that is why we can
change it. If it was real or solid or whatever - we would not be able to
change anything. We are mind - living in Mind. We are like a soap-bubble
and live within this bubble - and see the reflections of the world on the
outside of ourselves. When the bubble burst we fall back into the soap
water so to speak. We fall back into another aspect of Ourselves. Another
aspect of Mind or Consciousness...
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Greg here:
9. The person's own body is also included in the
images a person see. So, a person only sees the copy
of his own body. This means every person all
through his life lives in the cave in his skull where
he never knows what is outside, including his own body
and other objects. Now think over this
happening once more: Right now are you inside of the
room you are present or is the room inside of you?
Isn't the second alternative the right answer
scientifically?
Gerardus here:
I do not know what the scientific answer is. I do not think there is one.
Can an eye or brain investigate itself? Not easy to do. What would it
learn? As soon as it learns or sees something it has changed. More to
investigate etc... etc...
Also, we do not really live inside our heads or brains either! Our brain is
not just only in our skull. Our whole body is a brain and all of it is
occupied by the Soul We Are. It feels by means of our body, by means of our
nervous system. It IS our nervous system so to speak. The body is the
reflection of our Soul in matter. Our Soul is the Creator of it - and in
many cases it has been created for a specific task. IOW: some are custom
made and have a specific purpose...
To fulfill this purpose means that our Soul is able to do what it came to
do. Not too many people know or have a purpose in life besides feeding
their body and keeping it warm. Mankind has been kept dumb on purpose. The
rulers of the world do not want educated people. They cannot maintain their
power over them. So the entire world is a prison where the inmates are kept
dumb and busy. In the mean time, they all think that they are free and have
free will. Not so!
For more on this see here: http://www.soulwise.net/14tsmat.htm Do not let
this article scare you - it's only my opinion. However it goes pretty deep...
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Greg here:
10. Let us imagine 5 different people who look at a
garden of roses. Since every one of these people see
the rose garden in his own brain, then aren't
there 5 different rose gardens in the brains of every
one of the 5 people?
Is the color red that each one sees the same with the
other's perception of red? Would there be any
possibility to compare these?
Gerardus here:
We cannot compare. Only agree on what we think we see or experience. Nobody
sees the same thing! Anywhere. No-one smells the same thing! We all create
our own sight and smell and whatever we experience. In that sense, we all
create our own reality. We all have different senses, brains and body minds.
They create different scenarios. Sometimes they do not agree...
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Greg here:
11. We say that the original objects we see the copies
of in our brain exist outside, but what if nothing exists
outside? Because we never have the ability to test this or
observe this. Then is it not dubious that the
original objects are outside? At least there is a
50-50 percent possibility. Then how can we be sure
that the original objects are outside? If
there is no original object outside, then what is the
entity that makes the images and the senses in our
brain?
Gerardus here:
When you study things enough, like you have, you will discover that the
inside and the outside do not really exist. It is an illusion!! There is no
objective reality out there! In order for anything to exist - OUR
consciousness is needed in order to experience it and we experience it by
creating it in the first place. For at all times - on some higher level -
we are both the Observed and the Observer. They are One thing - one Energy
looking at itself! Note: I have not met too many people who clued in on
this - but you have! Great! Congratulations!!
Greg here:
12. If we are living an illusion that has the
possibility of not having any reality outside, then we may be existing in
a very different place.
Gerardus here:
Yes, we do not live on a Planet called Earth and see things out there. We
live in MIND and we create what we think we see out there. IOW: Creation is
going on at all times and we are the One who's creating it. No wonder!
Because we are The Creator living in Human Form and what this Creator does -
is what it normally does - it Creates. It creates the world in which it
lives and it experiences it at the same time. Most people however ONLY
experience the world and have not got a clue that they are the one creating
it. They live fully in the illusion as I call it. You have touched the
Heart of your Soul and she is Smiling! You have seen through the illusion
the world really is. It is there, but it is not! What else is new?
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Greg here:
For instance is it not possible for the entire
humanity to exist right over a piece of crystal? Or is
it not possible that the complete history of
humanity has been experienced in a place not bigger
than the head of a pin?
Gerardus here:
The entire world, the entire universe, high and low, exist in the Mind We
Are. Whatever exist... and all that exist... IS... our Mind or Consciousness
at work... and it is being itself. Experimenting with itself and "placing"
itself in human bodies being subjected to illusions thinking that they are
lost and must believe in some Savior to be saved or rescued. Not so! We are
the Universe! We are the Creator... and in order to get to know ourselves,
we travel through our creation by means of being all things and beings in
it! The Creator and Creation is One Thing. The Same Thing! God IS
Creation so to speak and we are it!
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Greg here:
Would there be anything to
stop us thinking in such a broad extent?
Gerardus here:
Yes -- You!
However you overcame it!! This means there is nothing that can stop you
from doing AnyThing - for you are the Power and the Light That Is ALL.
TIL - The Infinite Light!
-----------------------------------
Greg here:
13. Some people are incredibly afraid when these
topics are discussed? What do you think the reason for
this may be?
Gerardus here:
Not sure why, but it could be that their imagination rich enough to venture
out there and think or imagine. Most often this might be so, because they
are not quite ready to do so. Their leash is not long enough and they are
afraid to get lost. All those who know who or what they are - have been
there. Nothing to worry about, they will all grow up...
Life is that way - Gerardus
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:38:35 -0800
To: 4D-STO-C@yahoogroups.com
From: Gerardus
Subject: [4D-STO-C] NO mistakes allowed...
Reply-To: 4D-STO-C@yahoogroups.com
Fiona here:
And I do believe that probably 90%+ of what is really happening we know
nothing about. Yet, with regard to these WTC flights being auto-piloted,
that means either no-one in the cockpit at all, or the regular pilots being
hijacked in their own cock pit right from the start. My query here is if
there were no pilots on board from the beginning wouldn't the air hostesses
or stewards notice ? If the planes were in fact carrying passengers there
would have been stewards on board who would have to get the pilots OK to
close the doors for take off etc. etc. The stewards usually takes drinks
and things into the cockpit. I can't imagine there being an empty cockpit.
But, obviously it still could have happened this way with everyone including
the stewards being fooled into thinking there were pilots on board.
You're right about the airline companies being owned by Big Brother, so I
guess they would not care at that level whether they had a good rep or not.
Hi Fiona...
This is the scenario as I see it:
The flight takes off in the morning and everything is normal. There is a
Pilot and Co-Pilot and possibly a Navigator (Don't know). Then there is the
Crew to serve people and then there are the Passengers. Among the passenger
are the hijackers. The plane takes off on time by normal Pilot-Control...
Once in the air and on their way, the hijackers take over the plane and
let's say at about the same time (or later) the "remote-control" takes over
the plane. This means that neither any pilot and/or hijacker can do
anything to change the flight plan and/or about controlling the plane. The
plane is on remote control and no pilot or hijacker can change this.
Remote-Control is in command! So no-one on the plane knew what was going
to happen. Everybody is surprised to the max. especially the pilots and
co-pilot - let alone the hijackers...
BTW:
In order to fly these kind of planes on remote control, a special computer
and other control-systems need to be installed in the plane. This was done
weeks before. Also, this was well tested and proven to work for "no
mistakes were allowed". This means the air companies gave them the planes
that would be used on that day, that time, to that destination...
No one had the faintest idea that they were going to hit one of the towers
or the pentagon OR whatever. The fourth plane might have been taken over by
the passengers, and the phone calls to their families might have been
legit, but then who knows. They also could be faked. Possibly, the plane
was meant to hit the White House - the occupant was away milking goats -
and/or, the whole thing was executed as planned exactly, including plunging
to the ground...
A plane taken over by passengers puts attention on hijackers and not on
remote control! THEN - possibly, it was shot down in the first place and
they did not want to admit it. I figure that no one in the American
Administration knew before hand "HOW" things would be done. They only knew
that something was going to happen. They allowed it to happen. What was
going to happen and how it was done no-one knew...
In the mean time, the towers were wired with explosives and they went off
at about the right time. So, there could have been
three/four/five/six/seven/eight different "crews" setting up the whole
thing, but no crew knew the existence of other crews and/or what was up.
They did what they were told and got paid...
That's the way I would plan it - Gerardus
Fiona here:
That is all perfectly sensible and well planned.
Looking at it that way is totally feasible.
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Gerardus here:
I have been pondering on this for a while...
The story of/about Jesus and his Virgin Birth for example, and that he died
on a cross to save mankind, is a story that is also told about persons who
lived before Jesus did. IOW: the Jesus Story is a warmed-up tale that goes
around every 2 or 3 thousand years or so - or whenever it is needed. It is a
sucker-story! We should remember here, that to raise a planet of people,
who are close to the animal level of instinct or mind-set - extra ordinary
stories need to be told! This is why there are so many religions. Religions
are Stories and they include all kinds of scenarios and possibilities,
including wars. In the mean time, people need to have something to believe
in or they go nuts. All in all - the Jesus story is for so called grow-ups,
what Santa Claus is for children. Somehow all of them grow out of it...
The people in charge of this world, and part of this group are the
Illuminati, are responsible for this planet and its People/Souls. The
Beings or Entities involved, in 3D as well as in 4D, play their role in the
Grand Scheme of things, the same way we play our role. The purpose of these
roles is to "awake" all of us --> to what we really Are! This apparently
needs to be done by suffering and shocking people to higher levels of
awareness. For one thing, it brings people together as we can see happening
all around us!
What I am try to say and sum up here is - that the Illuminati and those who
rule the world, including GWBush and his Staff, are but actors playing their
roles. They are not necessarily bad or evil people. They are oriented toward
what they do on purpose from higher levels! They are actors and do not know
it. They are not bad People or Souls so to speak. They play a role or
perform a function. Life is like a movie with good and bad guys. After the
movie/game has been played, we all go back into the same box...
To see through this "role-playing" makes one the Observer. I feel that
people like GWBush and his Staff, including Bin Laden and his people AND
billions of others DO NOT see through this "play" and are naturally
emotionally effected by it. True Peace is an Inner Thing, while war and
peace in the world, is an emotional roller-coaster. We all need to get out
of that state of mind...
Comments Anyone? - Gerardus
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:26:29 -0800
To: 4D-STO-C@yahoogroups.com
From: Gerardus
Subject: Re: [4D-STO-C] The Jesus Story...
Reply-To: 4D-STO-C@yahoogroups.com
At 10:47 AM 12/28/2001 -0500, you wrote:
Gerardus here:
............Religions
are Stories and they include all kinds of scenarios and possibilities,
including wars. In the mean time, people need to have something to believe
in or they go nuts. All in all - the Jesus story is for so called grow-ups,
what Santa Claus is for children. Somehow all of them grow out of it...
Hi Gerardus,
I've been pondering these lines for awhile. Why is it, do you think,
that people need to have something to believe in or go nuts?
Hi Kathleen...
Yeah, good questions...
Basically the answer is -- that Man cannot possibly imagine that he is the
Cause of it all! His mental capacities or his grokker does not have the
volume to gather that concept. In the mean time, I will expand on my answer
here and now:
Suppose we find ourselves in/on a world with only twenty people. Pretty
soon we have set up some kind of order among ourselves and start raising
wild chickens and domesticate them. Same with cows, horses and all kind of
animals. We breed many animals, and the human as well as the animals become
more and more in number. Somehow all this gives us the idea that we are in
control of the farm, because we allocate certain animals to certain areas
of the farm. All this gives us the idea that we are the boss in our world
and we put animals where we want them...
This fact gives us the idea that someone higher than ourselves, has put US
where we found ourselves on this earth. As soon as this thought sinks in,
we have created a God or Creator who controls us! Before long, we try to
please this God with sacrifices and what have you. The belief in this God
is a self-created philosophy and pretty soon we cannot do without it for it
relieves us of the responsibilities of things gone right or wrong. Our
philosophy has become a need and a habit! That means that experts are
needed in order to keep track of the philosophy and pretty soon it has
become a religion with all kinds of laws and rules...
>From there on in, we might meet other groups of people with different
philosophies or religions and before you know it, we fight them guys see.
Lots of experiences right now! Naturally all this is but a simple example
but basically when you multiply this example and its complexities by a
billion - you have created the world at full speed...
Here is another factor in our existence as a human being:
The body we live in, is a genetic engineered machine let's say, that has
been "made" according to specific qualities and defaults. The body we live
in MUST HAVE a built in program that throws the soul at a loss when
entering it for the first hundred times say. The body-mind and the
soul-mind become one mind, until we learn how to separate the man from the
God that lives in the body so to speak. This takes time...
The specific genetic creation of the human body is done by, well let's call
them the 4D to 6D Body-Bakers of the universe, and they supply the human
soul with an instrument that needs to change from an animal into a God. If
this was an easy thing to do - it would not be worthwhile for a soul to
undertake this journey. All in all - I feel that all pieces of the puzzle
fit perfectly, but I have not been able to grok all the meanings and
purposes of all the pieces in the entire show. In the mean time, it is MY
show, and I am working on its completion. I must do this at my need and my
pleasure...
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Gerardus here:
The following is left of your question and statement and here it is:
I think there's truth to that, but I'm wondering why. The only answer
I come up with is that IF it takes belief to create reality, if you no
longer believe in anything, you don't get to experience very much.
What do you think is the reason?
Gerardus here:
Once you no longer believe in anything and therefore KNOW - the trouble is
that the people around you begin to regard you as an odd ball and you do
not fit anymore in their belief system. Usually people like that are
shunned, if not killed, for they are regarded as nuts. And yes, the so
called experiences might become less, but the observations and
understanding become more. More true learning can take place, for the idea
also is to go within and start to observe whatever goes on there.
So again
- our stay on this earth is a mental journey and we are left to our own
subjective judgments only. By means of this we must come up with
conclusions that make sense to ourselves. I figure that this mental journey
might well take one million years. So what? We as the soul live all lives
simultaneously. Meaning that, when you take you last breath - the others
do as well and Bingo - Full Card!
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Kathleen here:
You see people happily believing in the stories of religion, and
going along quite well, until their belief system gets challenged
one day (and it always does) and the bottom falls out. But up until
that time at least, they seem blissfully happy in their beliefs.
Whereas people who have no beliefs seem cynical or bored
much of the time, nothing to get excited about or hope for.
Gerardus here:
Life is not just working for a living to maintain the body, but it is even
more a mental-journey. Along this journey we have different needs and
experiences that enrich our understanding and before we know it, we "pitch"
our self-made religions and/or the one we are born into. In the long run,
we pass from self-awareness to God-awareness and from there on in we become
the observer. All this waffles on us, for it takes time and experience to
get used to our "insights" and make them a daily practise. Some call this
working on oneself. I call it grokking the dough...
I hope this story helps - Gerardus
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