In 1994 I was a member of the Mochin List for a while.
We had quite a few exchanges and discussions.
I think the list orginated in Irael and was promoting Project Mind.
I have no idea how I joined that group - maybe I was invited or smiled at.
Everybody always wanted me to join Project Mind.
I bought the book Project Mind by T. Kun
~ Excellent book but very intellectual ~
! I refused to join Project Mind !
Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 67
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) cookie monsters
by MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
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Topic No. 1
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 94 19:55 +0300
From: MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: cookie monsters
Message-ID: <9408011656.AA17762@mx.smtp.psi.net>
25 Av, 5754
Hail Gerardus, cosmic cookie baker,
Thank you for the investigation into matter. Matter in various
traditions is a relative term and is classified, in cosmology,
according to levels of materiality or essence or "lack" or
"desire to receive." Essences are classified according to a
number of factors including the degree of separation from the
root from which they were created.
You say,
>Matter in and by itself does not exist!
I am not sure that this is a helpful approach. The Creator made
matter not only as an instrument of obscurity but also as an
ultimate instrument for our pleasure. When all this earthly
abode is rectified and suffering is abolished, it is my belief
that matter will remain but will give expression not to lack, as
is presently the case, but to unlimited abundance. Then, when we
bite into a cookie, we will taste a multi-layered ecstasy
corresponding to all the worlds. Kun calls matter "the thin
crust" of an otherwise spiritual reality.
In this scenario, all levels of materiality accommodate and
integrate the light of reality. Were all levels of materiality
to collapse into a primrodial unity with only the Creator
remaining, then what will have been the point of Creation to
begin with? In Judaism at least, we are told that the purpose of
Creation is for the Creator to give endless pleasure to His
creatures.
You also say,
>Consciousness is the Essence of the universe and this Essence is
>the creative force of the universe.
This can be misleading. All created essences are lack or "desire
to receive." That is what distinguishes and separates them from
the Creator. Without this separation and the obscurity and the
suffering that goes along with it, there could be no Creation in
which we humans are to be co-creators (to use a term coined or
at least used a lot by Barbara Marx Hubbard). Consciousness is
what happens when essence fuses with the specific grade of light
meant for it to accommodate. This is realization and is never
totally complete since no part of Creation can be totally
realized in the absence of completion in the other parts.
The creative force of the universe is the light that emanates
from the Creator. It finds expression in the substance of our
essence as the "image of G-d" stamped upon it. Existence is
conscious in potential and will be conscious in practise when we
have completed our role at the end of the Sabbatical Millenium
known as "Gmar Hatikkun" (the competed emendation).
Although everything, as you astutely point out, is an expression
of energy and thus of higher, creating Mind, it is usually
useful to recognize that our mind and that Mind are presently
incommensurable and that physical reality must be addressed
through the highest level of creativity if the gap between the
actual and the possible, waking sleep and consciousness, is to
be narrowed. It is my experience that eating cosmic cookies
without engaging ourselves in cosmic acts aimed at narrowing
that gap leads to spiritual indigestion.
Now, Gerardus, that you have acquired Project Mind, perhaps you
could bake us a PM cookie?
Blessings to all,
David S. Devor
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MOCHIN Digest 68
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Tzolkin
by MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
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Topic No. 1
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 94 17:08 +0300
From: MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Tzolkin
Message-ID: <199408031420.KAA17038@nysernet.ORG>
26 Av, 5754
Greetings Paul,
O.k., I give up what is "Mayan Tzolkin" and why does the menorah
represent 22 over 7 i.e. pi? Or does it?
Where did these items come from and why do you ask?
David
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MOCHIN Digest 69
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Cosmic Cookies - 003
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 94 13:09 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Cosmic Cookies - 003
Message-ID: <04080094130949@HUJIVMS>
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
- Cosmic Cookies - 003 -
Continuation from: Cosmic Cookies - 001 & 002
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To Human and Alien...
To One and All....
The whole universe is the fulfillment of its desires.
Since all of us are different aspects of consciousness or mind;
we therefore are different aspects of the creative force. We all
create our own specific reality in order to ultimately discover
who or what we really are. We are the Creator living as Man!
Seemingly all matter forms are separated from each other but the
separation is an illusion! All things in the universe are nodes
or standing waves of the One Infinite Body of Energy or Universal
Mind. The spaces between matter-forms are illusions because the
energy between objects exists but does not vibrate within the
range of our senses or instruments. We see or experience very
little of what really goes on in the universe. By living in
matter we have limited ourselves to but a few octaves of reality.
We have done this on purpose in order to experience our matter
creation. We as human beings are the creative force in human form
and we are in the process of experiencing our self created reality.
This means naturally that if we do not like it, we can change it!
All of us are the creators of our own reality. Few of us however
know this to be so!
The immediate future is going to be very difficult, because our
Third Dimensional Phase of creation is in the stages of breaking
down to clear the way for the next phase of creation. Human
beings with only a nuts and bolts philosophy of life are in for a
psychological shock of great proportions. Strange phenomena will
take place in our reality and many of us will not be able to cope
with the situations at hand. The world however is not going to
come to an end, although for many it might appear that way. The
long range future of mankind as the creator of his reality is
brilliant!
The world is a school for human souls and the curriculum is self
determined for all of us create our own lessons. Matter, time
and space are the scenery of the stage upon which we perform our
own designed roles. Our life takes place in mind for mind is the
only thing that is real in our universe. All things are forms of
dancing vibrations of mind. Naturally you do not have to believe
a word of what you have read, because you are the master of your
own life and the discoverer of your own Truth. As always; Truth
is an individual thing and life is what you believe it to be!
This is the end of article 2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is there anybody reading the above? Please let me know for I need at
least one confirmation from a recipient on this Mochin Network.
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 70
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Cosmic Cookies - 003
by RGOPAL%DELHI@LANDO.HNS.COM
2) RE: Cosmic Cookies - 003
by morales@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU
3) Meta-Cosmic Cookies
by koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 94 17:55 +0300
From: RGOPAL%DELHI@LANDO.HNS.COM
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Cosmic Cookies - 003
Message-ID: <04080094175546@HUJIVMS>
Yes!! this article is being read with great interest.
Please keep it going.
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Topic No. 2
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 94 22:54 +0300
From: morales@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: RE: Cosmic Cookies - 003
Message-ID: <04080094225407@HUJIVMS>
(I will reply.)
- Cosmic Cookies - 003 -
Continuation from: Cosmic Cookies - 001 & 002
-----------------------------------------
To Human and Alien...
To One and All....
The whole universe is the fulfillment of its desires.
Since all of us are different aspects of consciousness or mind;
we therefore are different aspects of the creative force. We all
create our own specific reality in order to ultimately discover
who or what we really are. We are the Creator living as Man!
(I believe you answer is later. We are the Creator.)
Seemingly all matter forms are separated from each other but the
separation is an illusion! (Not sure of your defination of what is illusion.
Richard Bach's "Illusions" might apply, but then am I and illusion
accorcing to you?) All things in the universe are nodes
or standing waves of the One Infinite Body of Energy or Universal
Mind. The spaces between matter-forms are illusions because the
energy between objects exists but does not vibrate within the
range of our senses or instruments. (Though I cannot disagree, I would
would find it hard to agree with your concept here) We see or experience
very little of what really goes on in the universe. (The Universe is
immense. Or are you speculating that it is miniscule if we could somehow
encompass it all?) By living in matter (Can we live in other than matter?
Say live in or as energy?) we have limited ourselves to but a few octaves
of reality. (Do we limit ourselves or are we limited by what surrounds us?)
We have done this on purpose (Was it our choice? And if so, what caused that
choice and how can we change that choice?) in order to experience our
matter creation. We as human beings are the creative force in human form
and we are in the process of experiencing our self created reality.
(Here I totally agree with you.) This means naturally that if we do
not like it, we can change it! All of us are the creators of our own
reality. Few of us however know this to be so! (Bravo!)
The immediate future is going to be very difficult, because our
Third Dimensional Phase of creation is in the stages of breaking
down to clear the way for the next phase of creation. Human
beings with only a nuts and bolts philosophy of life are in for a
psychological shock of great proportions. (Why do you believe this to be
so? Please elaborate.) Strange phenomena will take place in our
reality and many of us will not be able to cope with the situations
at hand. The world however is not going to come to an end, although
for many it might appear that way. The long range future of mankind
as the creator of his reality is brilliant! (What 'Strange phemomena are you
refering to and what will cause it to come into being? Why do you believe
this to be true, besides because it has to happen.)
The world is a school for human souls and the curriculum is self
determined for all of us create our own lessons. Matter, time
and space are the scenery of the stage upon which we perform our
own designed roles. (If what you said before is true, that we are the
creators of our own reality, then we have no 'designed roles' but are the
roles of our changing creations.) Our life takes place in mind
for mind is the only thing that is real in our universe. All
things are forms of dancing vibrations of mind. Naturally you do
not have to believe a word of what you have read, because you are
the master of your own life and the discoverer of your own Truth.
As always; Truth is an individual thing and life is what you believe
it to be! (I will grant you this. My reality is vastly different than yours
but not that different since we are able to communicate in this same
reality.)
This is the end of article 2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is there anybody reading the above? Please let me know for I need at
least one confirmation from a recipient on this Mochin Network.
(From my reality to yours... A confirmation. In-the-Nick-of-Time.)
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 3
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 94 0:07 +0300
From: koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Meta-Cosmic Cookies
Message-ID: <05080094000742@HUJIVMS>
Gerardus,
> All things in the universe are nodes or standing waves of the One
> Infinite Body of Energy or Universal Mind. The spaces between
> matter-forms are illusions because the energy between objects exists
> but does not vibrate within the range of our senses or instruments.
Not knowing how to provide good Eliza sounding responses like
<morales@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU> I will attempt to address the phenomonology
and not the phrenomonology which you incite with these comments.
Consider the physical models of matter, realizing none are even
remotely removed from the assumptions of the underlying theories which
develop the models. That is, the model representations show all of
the artifacts of the mathematics of the underlying theory - hmmm,
coincidental? Discounting this chicken and egg nuance and accepting
that the measurement of physical phenomenom meets the empirical
evidence (usu. measures derived from an acquired energy metric through
calculations based on accepted theory - hmmm, again?). Well,
neglecting again the smell of rats spinning this way or that when held
by the tail based on genetic determinism let us proceed further into
the tiny, whiny islands of sub-atomic particles. How did we get so
small? Is it likely that we will get smaller still? I think so.
So, where is this leading? Back to One Energy as Gerardus proclaims.
The make-up of our physical matter is mostly a field of variable
density. Aaah, but there are those "real" things, right? Wrong. The
"real" things in the atom are mostly a field of variable density.
Aaah, but there are those "real" things, right? Well, enough of that
for now (especially since it is "speculation" that those sub-atomic
"real" things are mostly a field of variable density). So, matter is
energy, nothing new here, right. But energy is organized in ways we
cannot see. We can see big material things, but we don't see big
energy things and we can pass right through them as if they had no
influence, since usually they do not; like a fast neutron passing
through your body. How many people know about how many fast neutrons
have passed through their body in the past five minutes?
I agree the spaces between matter-forms does not exist because the
spaces between matter-forms and the matter-forms are the same thing.
Of course, energy-forms which are not revealed to us are things we
don't know, therefore these illusions can not hurt us, right?
'nuf said
Mike Koopman internet: koopman@ctc.com phone: +1-814-269-2637
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MOCHIN Digest 71
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Operation - Appearances -- Real or Illusion!
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 94 2:16 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Operation - Appearances -- Real or Illusion!
Message-ID: <08080094021637@HUJIVMS>
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To One and All...
(Including all Spooks and other temporary Apparitions and/or Realities)
Thank you David for sending me a digest of some of the action on Mochin.
I had no idea that so many "thinkers" were contributors to this Network and
I'm glad I have the privilege to be a beginner among you.
It's good to mingle minds!
I would like to **loosely** go over some of the questions and or remarks and
presents my humble and not so humble views about all these queries...
David S. D. : The idea of PM is not to "get people interested in deeper
aspects of themselves." I consider that a fairly hopeless task
and leave it to the missionaries. Our plan is far more modest.
We wish to "save the world" as you put it. Then people will wake
up of themselves. And for that we must rely on "Old Souls" as
you put it. Is your soul old enough to help in this? Your help
on the list is already a step in the right direction.
Gerardus: Where did I say "save the world" ?? The only way to save the world
(and I DO NOT believe that we are here to save anything) is to get people to
become more interested in deeper aspects of themselves in my opinion. Unless we
all understand that WE ARE ALL THINGS, including the world, we will never get
anywhere. We MUST understand Who and What we really are first of all, before
any responsible action from Mankind can be expected.
Creating a world of "Material Abundance" by means of PM, will put the entire
world of Man on the welfare list. To expect them to wake up because of this is
not my conviction as yet. I might put them to sleep longer and deeper then
ever! And whether my Soul is old enough to help in this, I do not really know
as yet either. My Soul is an awful busy mind-mingler already at the moment...
Anyway, my Awareness/Soul and or Godbeing is aware enough to be an aspect of
this particular Mochin List, because of your invitations. This however does not
necessarily mean that my Awareness is directly in favor of PM. However, as a
newcomer to the book and this group I am not entirely against it either. As a
matter of fact I need to look the entire idea a bit "squarer" in the eye. (Is
squarer English?)
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Gerardus:
Matter in and by itself does not exist!
David: >>I am not sure that this is a helpful approach. The Creator made
matter not only as an instrument of obscurity but also as an
ultimate instrument for our pleasure. When all this earthly
abode is rectified and suffering is abolished, it is my belief
that matter will remain but will give expression not to lack, as
is presently the case, but to unlimited abundance. <<
Gerardus: What we call Matter is the Name we have given to Energy in our
unconsciousness. What we see and experience is not what is there! Our very
eyes and experiences with matter have given us the (unconscious) ideas that
matter is a real, in and by itself, substance. Matter is a form of Spirit -
Energy.
Our existence in this Earthly Plane however is called the Physical Experience
but we are here mainly to see what it is like to be fooled by our own Creative
Endeavors.
Our Physical Creation IS the so very special Realm in which we are living with
the illusion that we are Matter and that all things we see and experience are
matter. Well, some of us have discovered that we are being fooled by our own
senses, that in conjunction with our conscious mind have taken Mankind for a
ride in the material World that we call Real! Well, it is Real alright, a REAL
Illusion!
For example: have you ever seen David Copperfield, the Illusionist on TV? What
do you think this man is conveying to us. He shows us that matter is directly
responding to his mind and he can do almost anything including flying and
exchange people as well as objects instantaneously because he has COMMAND over
this so called Matter. All he does is; have command over an aspect of his mind
that we call matter. He multiplies fishes as well probably, as well as bread.
This has been done before however, so he is doing something different! Matter
in my view is a "virtual reality", like ALL realities we will ever encounter
before we finally end up HOME!
As you say: Kun calls matter "the thin crust of an otherwise spiritual reality"
I agree with T. KUN! Matter is the ripple on an Ocean of Spirit or Energy and
you need a specific Instrument in order to see and experience it! The human
Body. I feel that you and I are here to discover that we are the Creator of
Matter as much and as easily as that we grow carrots and or watch our navel.
Our purpose is to KNOW OURSELVES. This to me is a deeper Knowing of Ourselves
and I am not sure that the world of man will get to this "knowing", once they
climb over this "heap of plenty". I did it without it and so did millions in
the past. It takes the experience of an old Soul to recognize itself, for it has
seen the mirror quite a few times! It's been there! It knows what it sees.
Another thing David, you speak about the Creator as if it is some kind of
different Force than we are. I see The Creator and all of us as ONE! We are
it!
I intuit the Creator or God to be: An Undifferentiated, an Unmanifested and an
Unconscious Force/Energy that becomes Differentiated, Manifested and Conscious
in Creation as the Created! Which are You and I and all Things!
Differentiation and Conscious Awareness is the objectification of and in our
manifested realities of which there are many for we are unlimited! The physical
is the "crust" or but one of these realities. The ripple on the Ocean.
Glad you send me all this stuff David, I would have been bored otherwise.
Thank you for your eforts to put me up to date and subscribing me.
==========================================================
>From Morales?? Name? >> Gerardus says: We see or experience very
little of what really goes on in the universe.
Morales:>> (The Universe is immense. Or are you speculating that it is
miniscule if we could somehow encompass it all?) <<
Gerardus: I am saying that we see or experience very little of what goes on
for most of it is invisible. Energies we cannot sense! The entire Universe is
full! FULL! There are no open spaces! Only Energy-Clouds we cannot see or
feel or measure! Space is an Illusion! The entire Universe is a Mental
Phenomena and Mentality has no "immensity" Big or Small.
Yes, we can live in other than Matter, however the Name Matter is a misnomer! We
always live and are Energy. Matter is a special form of Energy. We were "alive"
before we entered this special State of Mind called the Matter world.
We as the Creative Energy Force have created limited Bodies and live in them
now! It puzzles the dickens out of us becase we do not know where we come from.
That why we created a God or Creator and say It did it. We are not responsible
for all this. We are the Cause and the effect. We as TIE "The Infinite
Essence" have put ourselves to sleep and dream that we are man. The dream is
real for all Dreams are real. However what is Real! 'Nuf said for now!
Some of us are in for a "shock" for the masses have not kept up with What IS!
What are UFOs? What are these figures in our fields? Who is stealing and
mutulation our cows in the field. Who impregnates our women and steals their
babies? The fact however is that most of Mankind is so fast asleep that NOTHING
is going to wake them up. Many of them are keep asleep on purpose! These are
the strange phenomena I refer to.
There are many Forces at work in our world! Some of Mankind will be so called
victims of their time to reincarnate again somewhere else and try again to
awaken! If you are interested in my entire philosophies I have a Disk-7 that
contains it all. $5.00 as Shareware and its yours. If you're interested please
let me know.
Thank you Morales...
===============================================================
Gerardus: Thank you Paul for welcoming Cosmic Cookies. The jar is always
full, but the lid is not always open! So, possibly some will pop out and hit
your screen! Thank you!
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Michael G. Koopman:
>> Consider the physical models of matter, realizing none are even
remotely removed from the assumptions of the underlying theories which
develop the models. That is, the model representations show all of
the artifacts of the mathematics of the underlying theory - Hmmm,
coincidental? <<
Gerardus: Naturally none are coincidental! Scientist since ever create
whatever they discover. Maybe not each scientist discovers his/her own creation
but who else but "the Creator in Man and as Man" created what we find? Who else
is there? Well, we could assume that there are "others" out there, yes, sure,
but these others have enough wisdom at hand to leave us alone to discover our
own Creative Power and Possibilities. We are autonomous!
BTW: I also have my "thoughts about the Chicken and the Egg Nuance just ask for
it!
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Mike:>> Well, neglecting again the smell of thats spinning this way or that
when held by the tail based on genetic determinism let us proceed further into
the tiny, whiny islands of sub-atomic particles. How did we get so
small? Is it likely that we will get smaller still? <<
Gerardus: We will get as small as our visualization processes will let us. Our
Imagination is the limit! Since this is unlimited, all things will go in all
directions. Smallness and or Greatness in size are the Limits of our Mind, the
Creator's mind, working through and as Man consciously!
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Mike: >> Back to One Energy as Gerardus proclaims.
The make-up of our physical matter is (mostly) a field of variable
density. Aaah, but there are those "real" things, right? Wrong. The
"real" things in the atom are mostly a field of variable density.
Aaah, but there are those "real" things, right? Well, enough of that
for now (especially since it is "speculation" that those sub-atomic
"real" things are mostly a field of variable density).
Gerardus: What's going on Mike? You see it the way I do! Well, I'll be
dammerated, sanctified and forever gloating from now on in! I finally found
someone who can "see"! Congratulations Mike! I put Brackets on your word
"mostly" Mike. (See your quote) I think it should be left out.
I see the entire Universe as our Mind or Consciousness and it is an Energy that
appears or is spaced in Realms of Densities in which there are Nodes of
Awareness (Human Beings for example) who know what's going on. There are also
less-aware as well as more aware entities naturally for Man on Earth is not the
only one who is aware or asleep! There are also Energies that have to potential
to become more aware. This is so for the entire Universe is
Energy/Consciousness in evolution (Growth) infinitely.
Our Universe then, as our Mind or Consciousness is expressing itself in an
unlimited diversity of "Holographic Images of Itself", creating individualities
and within all Individualities and or Things, the entire Wholeness is
represented in order to assure nobody gets lost. IOW we all BELONG! Well now,
what else is new? And where is this Creator or God we have been talking about
for all these ages? IT is the ONE we ARE!
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Mike: >> But energy is organized in ways we cannot see. We can see big
material
things, but we don't see big energy things and we can pass right through them as
if they had no influence, since usually they do not; like a fast neutron passing
through your body. <<
Gerardus: Absolutely Mike! How the dickens did you get so smart??
BTW: I have a twelve page report on UFOS as well. At the moment I just
introduced it to the BRIDGE-L . I will send it to Mochin later on!
'nuf said Indeed!
===============================================================
I know that I have not responded to all who took the pleasure and trouble to
taste my Cookies. I find it most pleasant however to have discovered that so
many of you ate them so quickly and tastefully. Thank you... a lot!
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 72
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Operation - Appearances -- Real or Illusion!
by koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 94 3:20 +0300
From: koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Operation - Appearances -- Real or Illusion!
Message-ID: <09080094032020@HUJIVMS>
Gerardus
> I know that I have not responded to all who took the pleasure and
> trouble to taste my Cookies. I find it most pleasant however to have
> discovered that so many of you ate them so quickly and tastefully.
> Thank you... a lot!
It is helpful to take them with a spoonful of diuretic, this does help
them pass faster. Although, I hate to see you pass an opportunity to
raise the issue of retentiveness, I see little reference to such work.
Nor do you seem to focus on the repression of cookies and cream,
either. Shame on you for missing such an opportunity.
> U3BTW: I have a twelve page report on UFOS as well. At the moment I
> just introduced it to the BRIDGE-L . I will send it to Mochin later
You seemed to have missed the connection between walruses, penguins,
porpoises and ice cream cones as well. Are you getting behind in your
reading? You haven't made much of a play on Aliens, either. The
concept of this big mother and the winged insects of various flavors
which she births is probably included in your UFO info. Gee thanks.
> This is so for the entire Universe is Energy/Consciousness in
> evolution (Growth) infinitely.
It is good that you have eliminated the dualistic materialism of the
Western diadactic and wheely have expanded yourself as one of those
spokes who nodes what's going on. Not to sound cocky.
At least we know you are not lukewarm, I suspect you are soon to
achieve cold fusion at near absolute zero. Best of luck.
> What we see and experience is not what is there!
> Including all Spooks and other temporary Apparitions and/or
> Realities
Is fear of such things, Apparitheid? Unseen causes are penultimately
figmentary? (This should give you an excellent lead for the retention
of things which Midas might convert through psi powers - Enjoy!)
Geradus, you are quite a brick, indeed. Please send your formula for
ma-sonic ghost blasters! BTW: if you created a box that absorbed the
energy of consciousness and placed it before God would there be an end
as the box consummed itself?
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MOCHIN Digest 73
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Tale of Two Forces - 1/6
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
2) Creation
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
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Topic No. 1
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 94 3:30 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Tale of Two Forces - 1/6
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To One and All...
To Mind and Heart...
Please consider these essays!
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I am open to positive as well as negative comments and will try to discuss them
in the open forum as time permit me to do so...
Gerardus - Edmonton Canada CompuServe 72704,731
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In order to save time/effort please refrain from making comments like:
-> "Gerardus - I think you need a quiet holiday on a neat little farm" <-
or similar references to my state of mind. I have heard them already!
----> Tale of Two Forces - The Game of God <----
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Part 1/6
This article touches upon the basic philosophies of the author
and should not be accepted as the absolute truth
by either human or alien.
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BEFORE WE BEGIN....
This is a humble attempt to give the reader a closer understanding of the
UFO Forces that visit our planet. This literature does not deal with so
called UFO phenomena. Meaning; the amount of people that have seen UFOs
or the scores of people who have had missing time periods or the amount of
women who might have been impregnated by these forces and/or how many new
cattle mutilation we have had this year or last year. No details will be
discussed in this material or article. It only deals with the how and why
the UFO Forces come to our planet!
There also is a certain amount of repetition utilized, since the concepts
discussed are difficult to understand and it will help to give the reader
a quicker grasp of things, without leafing back to: where was it now that
I read about that kind of stuff!
I hope that I have expressed this difficult subject clearly enough so that
most readers get a greater understanding of how things really are in these
so called enlightening times we're living in. I have tried to express the
"Truth of Things" with the patience of an old fashioned Angel and with the
determination of the most modern Saint I can think of. Me! Pun intended!
The following also contains some far sighted metaphysical philosophies for
they belong to the far reaching realities about UFOs. Please be patient if
you are not interested in all of it, some readers just might be!
Pleasant reading!
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FOREWORD....
Before we can explain what UFOs are, we first of all have to understand
what the basic medium of the universe really is. The entire universe is a
free and flowing vibration of energy that is infinite in its variety and
diversity. Also, the universe is full! There are no open spaces or areas
where "nothing" is happening! All visible and invisible aspects of the
universe are our very own mind or consciousness, engaged in the processes
of creation! It is also necessary to have some understanding of Time and
Space before the puzzling phenomena of UFOs can be understood. We begin
therefore, with a discussion of Time/Space and Matter!
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ABOUT TIME AND SPACE - THE CENTER POLES OF PHYSICAL REALITY!
We experience time and space when we are awake. And even then, depending
on our activity; time and space are quite flexible. The duration of time
and the volume of space, depend on our attention or focus. The more we
focus on either, the more pronounced they become! This suggests that time
and space are actually created by us and when we are unconscious or asleep
we stop creating them. Time and space are the center-poles of our matter
reality or physical world. They form the psycho-physical background of
our day to day existence. The more attention we give them, the more they
acquire! They are flexible components or conditions. Time and Space are
created by our mind, our brain and our senses, working in a synchronizing
energy field. The reality of time and space are generated by this special
energy field that we are involuntarily subjected to, as long as we live in
a physical body. Time and space, in and by themselves, do not exist and
we become more and more aware of them when we focus upon them and thus co-
create them. Time and space are each other's opposite. Time is the result
of movement and space is the distance traveled during this movement. Time
and space are also each other's mirror images. There is no time without
space and no space without time. Time and space are a continuum!
WE CREATE SPACE BY DEFAULT.
The universe around us is like an ocean full of vibrating energy in which
we swim. Different energies in this ocean vibrate in different patterns
and frequencies and these differences create different kinds of matter or
substances. Certain patterns and frequencies of vibration are noticed by
our sensory system and the substances that are experienced as material or
solid substances form our physical world and universe. The majority of
the activities that take place in our environment however, are beyond our
grasp. We experience only a small aspect of the total action! The total
activity IS the universal mind or the entire ocean of vibrations! Aspects
of this mind that are not noticed by us, leave openings and this gives us
the false or illusionary impression, that these openings are empty spaces.
We do not notice the energies that occupy these many openings because the
energies or objects that are there, are created by vibrating energies with
frequencies we cannot sense and therefore belong to another dimension. We
as human beings are not made to experience these other energy densities of
the Universal Mind. They belong to other realities or higher dimensions.
The energy-bodies of our deceased relatives could be standing right beside
us, but most people would never notice them, because we are not attuned to
the frequencies of the next dimension or density!
All realities, activities, objects or things are consciousness or mind in
vibration! The aspects we see or experience of this ocean of vibrating
mind; we call our surroundings. The things we do not sense or experience
are dismissed by us. However, they are still aspects of our surroundings.
Our invisible surroundings! We just do not notice these invisible energy
vibrations, but they occupy the openings or room we call space. We look
right through these energies, and therefore; we create space by default!
To be Continued on Aug. 11/94... So long for now...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 2
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 94 4:18 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation
Message-ID: <09080094041856@HUJIVMS>
Hello list members,
Existence is intricately structured on all levels. Order implies
purpose. There is a purpose which is inherent in existence and
intelligence. Therefore the world was created by an intelligence -
which we call God. We desire to be co-creators. In order that we can
create we are born with the desire to receive and the desire to give.
This gives us the ability to have compassionate, creative vision
which provides us with images of reality so we can transform our
environment into one free of restriction (able to realize its
potential) so it can develop naturally and holistically. God makes
what is spiritual into a physical world while we transform this
physical world into a spiritual reality.
Gerardus: What we call matter is the name we have given to energy in
our unconsciousness. What we see and experience is not what is
there! Our very eyes and experiences with matter have given us the
(unconscious) ideas that matter is a real, in and by itself,
substance. Matter is a form of Spirit - Energy.
Yes, matter is a form of energy.
It is also "the thin crust of an otherwise spiritual reality".
Matter is energy and energy is real - it is our reality.
There are different levels or dimensions of matter. Together they
make up reality - levels of experience we can touch. They exist
within each other and cannot exist without each other.
Matter "physical reality" is the lowest and coarsest form of energy.
Our body is made of this "coarse energy". This substance is "desire
to receive" - the potential to accommodate energy.
Our body is also imprinted with "the image of G-d". This gives the
body form allowing it to accommodate energy. This form is "desire to
give" - the potential to use our energy for creative vision. We are
microcosms mirroring existence and having unlimited potential.
Energy on higher levels manifests as finer energy. The body is a
receptacle for these finer energies. With the ability to receive
energy we become a potential influence. Matter and form together
form our "essence", our potential influence.
Once the body has incorporated some of the finer energies we have
"mind". The level of mind depends on the amount of energy it
incorporates. The mind can accommodate energy and realize and expand
intelligence from the faintest awareness up to total consciousness.
Potentially the body is all mind and is able to adapt to cosmic
reality - expand consciousness to realize all the levels within.
The level above matter is "spirit", which has it's own level of
materiality which is less coarse than matter but more coarse thanthe
next level which is "soul", which also has it's own level of
materiality. Spirit animates the different levels of being (essence)
and the soul is the highest level of being that does not include
eternal life - the full realization of individuality which results in
immortality.
There are states of consciousness that correspond to these different
levels of materiality. These depend on the amount of spiritual
development - how much of reality we have adapted to.
Each level has different characteristics. What we see and our place
in the cosmos depends on our level of being.
(The above is part of essence theory as explained in David's Summary
of Essence Theory. If you have not read it you can ask him for it)
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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MOCHIN Digest 74
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Gerardus: influence
by MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
2) The Score is One to Zero...!
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
3) Depth Probe: On Duality -- Part One
by ake@lighthouse.com (Alan Eyzaguirre)
4) Creation - Continued...
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 3:16 +0300
From: MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Gerardus: influence
Message-ID: <9408100044.AA15495@mx.smtp.psi.net>
4 Elul, 5754
Hail Gerardus and list friends,
On Sun, 7 Aug 1994 Gerardus Tros, under the heading "Operation -
Appearances -- Real or Illusion!," wrote:
>Where did I say "save the world" ??
You didn't Gerardus. I was pulling your leg. In a letter to me
from some time back you indicated quite clearly that saving the
world was not your thing. The idea of redemption, for some of
us, implies what we believe to be techniques of influence more
effective than words, ideas or even examples. Some of us believe
in the spectacular potential (for the moment inadequately
expressed by science) of material transformation, expressed in
Hebrew as "Tikkun Olam BeMalchut Shadai" where some understand
"Malchut" (kingdom) to include physical reality.
Gerardus, you say,
>Unless we all understand that WE ARE ALL THINGS, including the
>world, we will never get anywhere. We MUST understand Who and
>What we really are first of all, before any responsible action
>from Mankind can be expected.
This is very spiritual but there are other interpretations which
anticipate that wisdom and understanding for the majority of
humanity will come differently, as a result of a radically
transformed environment, one that will reveal, through matter,
the compassion of the Creator for those who are unable to see
this from deep within the adversity and/or illusion in which
they may find themselves. Just as you may feel that your (elegant
and generous) expression of spiritual ideals on this and on
other lists may help open some eyes to a clearer view of
reality, others feel that material transformation is a more
effective infuence for this same result.
>Creating a world of "Material Abundance" by means of PM, will
>put the entire world of Man on the welfare list.
Gerardus, we are already on the welfare list. The air we breath,
the sunlight that vivifies us and everything alive is received
without perceptible effort. It is my belief that, thanks to
human creativity in emulation of the Creator, this will be
extended to material things.
According to some if not all versions of Jewish tradition, the
Sabbatical Millennium, slated to begin not later than (6,000 -
5754 =) 246 years from now, will be established for the
attainment of wisdom under the tutelage and guidance of the
Messiah. While concerning our physical needs, we may very well
be on what you call "the welfare list" we will work assiduously,
in spirit, to know our Creator. Once this has been accomplished
by the year 7,000, the free lunch will really begin. At that
time we will no longer feel we must "do" anything to pay for our
existence. We will finally comprehend that simply to receive the
Creator's infinite gift, fully and unreservedly, is the ultimate
payment.
>To expect them to wake up because of this is not my conviction
>as yet. I might put them to sleep longer and deeper then ever!
In this, Gerardus, you seem to be confusing affluence with
abundance. Affluence implies that some have and others don't
which enhances material values. The "have's" might easily become
complacent and indolent. But unlimited abundance, which is
clearly the expression of the highest spiritual principles in
matter, would create a world in which physical objects would
lose all value. Our unlimited desire would not change, but the
objects that we desire and cleave to would, by default, have to
change. Those values would necessarily by metaphysical.
Please look this "square in the eye" and let me know what you
come up with. I believe it is a revolutionary, esoteric concept
fully in harmony with Lurianic and Ashlagian Kabbalah. You are
great at giving, Gerardus, let's see if you can receive!
I agree that "Matter is a form of Spirit - Energy." This doesn't
mean that matter doesn't exist. Our material world was created
by our Creator and does exist, as matter, but as our perpective
widens we can begin to perceive that physical existence is only
the "thin crust" of reality. I am not sure that judging
exclusively from the point of view of the absolute is helpful in
learning to cope creatively with our present condition. When you
work on your camper, do you constantly see it as crystallized
spirit or is it matter for you most of the time?
>Our existence in this Earthly Plane however is called the
>Physical Experience but we are here mainly to see what it is
>like to be fooled by our own Creative Endeavors.
I don't think it is our "Creative Endeavors" that fool us so
much as our reluctance to creatively apply ourselves with all
our heart, spirit and means to the restrictive challenge of
matter that separates us from a universal awareness of the
spiritual nature of existence.
>Well, some of us have discovered that we are being fooled by our
>own senses, that in conjunction with our conscious mind have
>taken Mankind for a ride in the material World that we call
>Real!
It is not so much our senses that deceive us as the paradigm and
inadequate energy level behind those senses. After all, wisdom
varies from person to person and moment to moment quite
independently of our senses. And the "illusion," you will
notice, persists even after we affirm that there is no matter.
So as far as I can see, the total devaluation of matter is the
only way out of this fix.
>I feel that you and I are here to discover that we are the
>Creator of Matter as much and as easily as that we grow carrots
>and or watch our navel. Our purpose is to KNOW OURSELVES.
As I see it, Gerardus, the RESULT will be self-knowledge
(including knowledge of all things) but the PURPOSE is to
creatively and compassionately help one another. And your acts,
in this regard, Gerardus, speak more loudly to me than your
words. You are obviously striving hard to help others and in the
process you (and I) are learning about ourselves and existence
which, ultimately, are one.
>Another thing David, you speak about the Creator as if it is
>some kind of different Force than we are. I see The Creator
>and all of us as ONE! We are it!
Hmmm, I think there are a distinctions to be made here. First,
there is the Creator, unmanifest, of whom we can know nothing
and from whom we are separated by the fact that we are made of
lack and He, as Creator, cannot possibly have any lack at all.
Then there is the Creator "manifest" which in Hebrew we call
"the name" (HaShem or Shmo) which is existence as I think we
both see it. At the end of the Sabbatical Millennium, in the
year 7,000, it is said that "He and his name shall be one" (Hu
Echad uShmo Echad). Then the unity of what you call "You and I
and all Things" will be manifest.
>Glad you send me all this stuff David, I would have been bored
>otherwise.
Hope you still feel that way after attempting to ingest this
somewhat long, greasy, metaphysical (kosher) sausage.
Courage,
David
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Topic No. 2
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 11:48 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: The Score is One to Zero...!
Message-ID: <10080094114836@HUJIVMS>
To One and ALL...
Hail David...
I've read your last post and no kidding, you are a convincing Teacher!
However, I would like to keep my reserved doubt for a while, until the
conversion takes place from a Higher Level.
I'll study what you have said, and what others say and who knows...?
If the Light is Bright enough even blind people will see or feel it!
I also want to read the book a bit more...
Thank you for a very well put version of your "knowing" in words that I can
understand! Thank you! The score is One to Zero in your favor!
However, the game has just began!
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Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 3
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 1:33 +0300
From: ake@lighthouse.com (Alan Eyzaguirre)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Depth Probe: On Duality -- Part One
Message-ID: <11080094013318@HUJIVMS>
On Duality--Part Zero Contents
--Diary
* Zen Mirror
--Movies
* 2001
--Books
--Commentary
--Quotes
* Neo-Shamanism
* Religious Tacos
--Music
* Ramifications
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On Duality--Part Zero
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--DIARY
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Zen Mirror
Thought of the week:
Zen, the inexpressible concept Wholeness, is the polar opposite of
Archetype, the manifestation of elementary symbols.
Regardless of where you go, or what you do, you are manifesting an
archetype. Even the denial of the existence of a Jungian collective
conscious is an archetype.
I was walking down the street thinking about archetypes and Chaos. The
only thing that escapes the collective archetype's non-linear arms is
Zen because Zen in inhererently a personal/universal experience. As I
thought this, a kid skated by on FOUR wheels wearing the All-Seeing
Eye (check the back of a ONE Dollar bill for your personal copy). The
triangle connected me to the golden section, the Fibonacci sequence,
the mythical-physical-ness of SPIRALS. One cannot escape the aesthetic
perfection of the golden proportional harmony.
Is the all-seeing eye a manifestation of the orderly disorder of the
golden harmony? Is the golden section the ultimate manifestation of
"God", the ultimate algorithm?
--MOVIES
2001
Directed by Stanley Kubrick. Written by Arthur C. Clarke
There are very few movies that attempt to transform the theatre
experience into a complete encompassing other world. 2001 does with
its long cuts of deep space, sparse dialog and vivid symbols. They
draw you in.
After reading Doctress Neutopia's thesis, "Gaia, The Planetary
Religion," I saw the movie through the eyes of a feminist.
It amazed me to think that Arthur C. Clarke's vision of the first tool
was one of violence. Was the first instinct to fight or is this just
the male-dominated post-Darwinian thought? Imagine a movie where the
first tool was a shell used to carry water and/or plants from a field.
It would be a vessel, a more female form. One that leads to
agriculture, a very significant leap in the evolution of civilization.
Another evil-male thought -- why was the monolith such a phallic
symbol? Couldn't it have been a circle or a sphere? After this
question materialized, I saw the sequence where Dave is an old man on
a bed. He reaches up towards the monolith, then the camera zooms in
and through the monolith suggesting a rebirth experience. The monolith
is a unified representation of man and woman.
I thought about the monolith from the first moment I walked into the
theatre. I noticed that the screen itself was the same proportion as
the monolith. As I watched the apes worship the monolith, I noticed
the strange familiarity of its ratios -- 1 unit deep by 5 units wide
by 13 units tall. It was, of course, members of the omnipresent
Fibonacci sequence. I couldn't help but laugh. In addition, I noticed
that HAL's face place is composed of two rectangle, one 5x8 and the
smaller 5x3. Together they create a classical construction of the
golden section.
It is as if the knowledge of the monolith, representative of the
golden section, surfaced through millions of years of knowledge
gathering only to resurface at the ultimate creation of man -- a self
reflection.
I saw crosses everywhere for the first time. The shuttle that first
pulls into the space station is an obvious cross. It is also the same
shape as the flag in the briefing room where Dr. Floyd talks about the
cover up. Finally, another prominent and most significant cross is the
antenna on the Jupiter space craft. As Frank goes for his last space
walk, he is sacrificed. He almost becomes a Jesus figure in order for
Dave to transcend beyond the infinite.
Watching the glorification of the space program, I started wondering
about Kubrick's angle. All of those incredible special effects were
dazzling, but possibly too much of a propaganda film for NASA. Was
this really the same director who did "Dr. Strangelove," an
anti-establishmentary film? But then I thought about the fact that HAL
fails. In other words, even though the surface may seem that
male-centric tools have evolved into nearly human forms, they are
still faulty and sinister.
In 1968, a year before the landing on the moon, Clarke and Kubrick
subtly suggested the natural tendency of authority to cover up details
from their citizens. The idea that proof of intelligent life is coming
back into vogue, including new subverted pictures of strange
formations on the surface of Mars and the Moon. Yet, the government
won't comment on the existence of these features. If they ever
acknowledge a fact, it is usually trivialized to coincidence. If
intelligent life is out there, one can be pretty sure that it won't
come from the government. It is interesting that 2001 demonstrates
that fact. It is almost suggesting, "Question Authority."
Was HAL intelligent? Sure he played chess and could talk. We all know
that is not a big deal. But the idea that he was starting to panic and
essentially "went nuts" seems to prove that he went out of the realm
of his programming and into his own conscious desicions. The fact that
his analysis of the "AE-35" unit did not match with the mirror machine
seems to suggest that he had drifted into his own world. Did the
suppression of secret message (revealed when Dave turns off HAL's
higher brain functions) cause his system to overload an inadvertently
start a chain reaction that caused consciousness? If it did, I believe
that that scenario would be out of the linearity of programming by
humans and caused by a chance reaction within the breakdown within the
scope of his logic system.
The trippy ending to the movie almost seems like an homage to the
sixties. Although I admired the technical aspects, the revelation to
me was the way that the seemingly random sequence of images told a
very concrete story. First, some of the moons of Jupiter line up. Then
the monolith crosses the intersection towards the top leaving a
lasting impression of yet another cross. It implies the rebirth
archetype that has been mutilated (so to speak) by Christianity. This
begins the THIRD movement of the movie, a spiritual rebirth of Dave.
The first sequence is a vertical scape of flowing images. The
sequences shown along the sides are very basic repeating pyramid
structures of familiar fractal forms. The entire scene is very
digital, implying the basic foundation of existence as the separation
between moments of zeros and ones, of space and matter, of woman and
man. As the movement continues, we see Dave's face vibrate into higher
energy levels. As the process continues, the axis shift begins and the
colors now come from a horizontal line. These lines are far more
complicated. There are sin waves, a second level formation on mere
lines. They imply 2 dimensions.
Then, FIVE diamonds appear circulating a wheel of color. The diamonds
are two pyramids with the same ratios as the Pyramids of Egypt. The
five become seven, another holy number. These diamonds are the only
physical suggestion of extraterrestrial intelligence within the final
sequence other than the murmuring voices in the final bedroom
sequence.
The next sequence is of organic flows, like oil rainbows on water.
There is one sequence where a red ball becomes a fetus. This is a
second birth. Then, the final trip sequence is that of canyon
landscapes done in high contrast film. As the camera zooms past the
different cliff formations, one can see that these are fractal
landscapes. This implies that our third origin is that of chaos,
controlled disorder, or the laws of disorder. The duality of order and
disorder exist as mirrors of each other. Together, they form the core
of our existence, the regenerative chaos.
The trip sequence is a confrontation with the master algorithm. We see
it evolve from basic order, to second order sin waves to third order
chaotic forms. The three combine to a single vision of meaning -- one
of the many secrets of the monolith.
There is so much meaning inside of 2001. The loose archetypes can be
read in a million different ways and that is probably the way Kubrick
and Clarke intended it. This masterpiece is the most hopeful
prediction of the future -- that we are inescapably due for a quantum
leap in our cognitive evolution.
--BOOKS
Power of Limits
Gyorgy Doczi
Walking around William Stout's Architecture Bookstore (near the
TransAmerican PYRAMID), a book caught my eye because of a spiral. I
have a real attraction towards them being that I feel they are the
core of existence. The cover had architectural renderings with
measurements of temples, bugs, fish and human bodies. I was sold.
The book attempts to find a unity between everything from cockroaches
to the Parthenon of Athens. It does so by analysing the golden section
and the Fibonacci sequence. His incredible drawings map focal points
of different objects to a controlled spiral map. Each time, the spiral
seems to line up to the object. His controlling point is:
The pentagon and the pentagram, like all patterns, are defined by
their limits. Incorporated in the harmonious patterns of fruits and
flowers, they exemplify an epigram attributed to Pythagoras, that
limit gives form to the limitless. This is the power of limits.
And his simple explanation of the golden section is:
a uniquely reciprocal relationship between two unequal parts of a
whole, in which the small part stands in the same proportion to the
large part as the large part stands to the whole.
or
A is to B as B is to A + B
or
5 / 8 ~ 0.6 and 8 / (5 + 8) ~ 0.6
(tee hee hee)
and concludes
On any given line there is only one point that will bisect it into
two unequal parts in this uniquely reciprocal fashion, and this one
point is called the point of golden section. The complete
reciprocity of this proportion strikes us as particularly harmonious
and pleasing...
The idea is that everything that is harmonious and aesthetically
pleasing is controlled by central rules. Within these rules, creations
of all types can be described. It is almost as potent as saying "God
is an algorithm"
The incredible part about the book is that Doczi manages to map both
organic and man-made structures. In addition, within the scope of
inorganic strucures, he everything from prehistoric cave paintings to
modern 747's and from Western architectural pieces like the Colosseum
to the Eastern Zen Garden of Ryoan-ji temple. In addition, he maps
concepts like musical harmonies and socialism to these golden series.
Quite a mean feat. The amazing part is that he pulls it off. The
physical drawings register in your mind. It isn't just a bunch of
crunchy new-age wawa, it is a real analysis of the physical.
--COMMENTARY
Interactive Fibonacci
Numbers are so concrete, but filled with mysteries. They fool one into
thinking that they have a "scientific" grasp, yet, it is often
impossible to state the reason that strange coincidences appear all
over the world of math. My favorite mathematical distraction is the
Fibonacci sequence because so many magic numbers come up along the
way. These numbers have become a part of the western culture and
appear everywhere. Sometimes by choice, sometimes by pure coincidence
but always by man's feeble attempt of implying meaning behind the
mystical of numbers. Can you believe there was once (and possibly
still is) a cult of the Golden Section? Did you know that the
Kabbalah, an ancient religious Hebrew text and the basis of many
occult studies, is based on many number games?
3, the holy trinity, the all-seeing eye, the pyramids of Egypt and
Mexico 5, pentagrams, pentagons, the Pythagorean fellowship, your
hands, many flowers...
8, the wheel of fortune
13, Jesus and the 12 disciples. The Thirteen colonies (those wacky
early American Masons).
144, as in 144,000 chosen people in the book of Revelations. This
little reference in the Bible is the source of at least one
religion, The Church of the Latter Day saints.
.666, the number of the beast (when 2, a symbol of humanity (i.e.
man and woman)) is placed over 3, a symbol of God.
--QUOTES
Neo-Shamanism
"Born Again Pagan"
Bumper sticker
Religious Tacos
"I can't believe how the spiral symbol is being abused by today's
advertising companies. I feel the spiral is the ultimate religious
symbol. But now I see is used to push everything from symphonies to
tacos."
"You would not make it in the world of advertising," said Leo. Their
goal is to trivialize the spiritual.
--MUSIC
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Ramifications
Gyorgy Ligeti
After watching 2001, I realized I wanted the trip to last longer. Off
I went to the holy shrine of Ameoba Records (in Berkeley) and found a
load of Ligeti, the composer the spacy-pre-ambient music in the movie.
(This week's subtheme is -- Cool people named Gyorgy). Not knowing
where to start, I picked the one with a great cover -- the Escher
print, "Concave and Convex."
As I listened to the music, I thought of Stravinsky. In fact,
"Ramifications" seems to be almost a tribute to "Rite of Spring,"
which was composed in 1947(?).
The orchestra played out the bizarre connections of Ligeti's
mathematically oriented pieces. Many of them sounded like ripples in
water. Others sounded like the gradual build up and destruction of
syncopations. I thought about modern ambient like the Aphex Twin. What
would Richard James do with an orchestra? Or maybe a better question
is what would Ligeti do with sampling equipment.
I could just see that the work of synchronizing an orchestra would not
be as easy as timing some MIDI or micro-editing some wave forms. But
the reality of the performance might lend some coincidental
pos-cidents (a positive-accident).
Ligeti was truly ahead of his time. He was a Columbus (minus the
raping and pillaging) charting the new world of atmospheric
compositions.
@
Alan Eyzaguirre
ake@lighthouse.com
http://www.lighthouse.com/~ake/DepthProbe/index/home.html
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Topic No. 4
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 2:07 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation - Continued...
Message-ID: <11080094020708@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Jan Shepher and her Spirit!
First of all Jan, thank you for your response to my questions. ... and let me
tell you; I agree in "general" with your answers. Here and there however, I
respectfully differ with your answers and I would like to go over some of these
points...
I appreciate that you go all out to answer when and wherever you can. I have
worked 41 years myself and I remember what it means to be bussssy...
Here is the first point:
It's about the spelling of the word God ---> G-d My question was why?
Jan: It is a tradition to help us remember the infinite gulf between Him
and us. Also it is a way of showing respect. Many traditions do not
write the full holy name on any document that may find its way into
the trash.
Gerardus: ! tradition !
Is not doing things the traditional way hanging on to the past?
Shouldn't we try to live in the present? The past was good for whatever it was
then!... and now we move on forwards. Isn't it time to forget about
traditions and the past? We ought to step into every new day with a new and
fresh outlook. Brand new every day, every life... Are not traditions the very
cause for disagreements and war in our world?
---------------------------------------
Jan: ... to help us remember the infinite gulf between Him and us.
Gerardus: ! the infinite gulf ! Don't you think that if this gulf is
"infinite" no Human Being will ever bridge it!! I feel that God or The Light
LIVES within us and IS us, either in an enlightened manner or in a manner not so
enlightened. As far as I intuit or know; there is only God or the Light.
We are God's Instruments if you like. And if it was not for the closeness of
God we wouldn't be able to do anything. God to me is as close as my
Heart/Soul/Mind or whatever you want to call it. To experience God is my every
day pleasure for it is the very life within me.
My God is Mankind/Alienkind/Spacebrotherkind and every big and little thing in
the visible and/or invisible universe. I feel that God or The Light IS its own
Creation. As a matter of fact: I see NO GULF AT ALL!
Some people even suggest nowadays that God is the "quantum foam" some scientist
speak about and they call it the "Implicate" or "Unmanifested" Reality of the
Universe. Creation and we are the Explicate, the Expressed or manifested
aspects of this Infinite Energy.
----------------------------------
Jan:... Also it is a way of showing respect. Many traditions do not
write the full holy name on any document that may find its way into
the trash.
Gerardus: Do you think that God is pleased by/with our respect? Is God that
insecure that God needs our respect or approval? Do you feel that these people
(and their traditions) throw God in the Trash Can, because God's name is on a
piece of paper or on an Internet Post? To me this sounds very silly indeed,
but I have no objections if people demonstrate their silliness.
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Jan: ... we can labour as co-creators and "earn" the infinite good stored up
for us.
Gerardus: ... to "earn" the infinite Good...? This is puzzling me. In your
last post you did not answer this question. Or did I miss it altogether?
In my view: by being what we are, we become what we must! IOW: the reward is in
the "doing", in the "living" !! I do not feel that I have to earn any infinite
good because I'm already "living it right now!
Like David said: I'm already on the Welfare List as far as the Universe is
concerned. The good of the Universe is infinitely shared among those who are
capable of receiving it, in any which way, and especially so, if they have
learned how to pass it on to others. God helps those, who help themselves...
------------------------------------------
Jan: G-d created us to have abundance - G-d created us through compassionate,
creative vision.
Gerardus: Hmmm. Does this abundance have to be created by Mankind or by God? Is
that what Project Mind is all about? Is not Project Mind - God working through
all the co-creators called Human kind? I think so. Is not this the ONLY way
God could do any work whatsoever, through or by means of Man? (Man includes any
and all SpaceBeings and/or Invisible Entities as far as I'm concerned)
You know Jan; I feel/intuit that we as Human Beings are co-creators and that the
entire universe is full of co-creators. We as Mankind might even have been
created by co-creators. Why not? Do not WE grow or breed or create in some
fashion carrots, lettuce, potatoes, race horses and all kinds of other animals,
bacteria, viruses and nuclear bombs?
I feel that the entire universe is full of co-creators. The funny thing is:
that the Creator itself never shows up at all, except through and by means of
all these co-creators, big and small. Yes, even a mouse or an ant are
co-creators. The Creative vision of God LIVES within all of these co-creators.
It is the only way for this God to be alive anyplace I feel, what do you
think/feel about that?
I'm not sure whether you have time to answer all my above questions Jan. I hope
however that you do not take my questions to seriously. ... and please do not
work too hard.
Life is a Celebration and the Infinite Good is all around you! A Universe full
of it! It's called the Kingdom of God! Naturally we must try to improve this
Kingdom. Well, by being what we are, the Kingdom will grow and grow. Not to
worry, God is alive and well in ALL of us.
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 75
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Creation - Continued...
by Ronald Reynolds <absolute@netcom.com>
2) Tale of Two Forces - 2/6
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
3) Creation continued...
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
4) Creation continued...
by koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 19:30 +0300
From: Ronald Reynolds <absolute@netcom.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Creation - Continued...
Message-ID: <11080094193000@HUJIVMS>
Gerardus;
In an earlier piece you said "... we are here mainly to see what it is
like to be fooled by our own creative endeavors." This has bothered me
ever since I read it. If the purpose of life is to be fooled, then does
it really matter what we do with this life? Wouldn't a bigger endeavor
(such as the one you have undertaken) just make you a bigger fool? Life
must have more meaning. Also, if this is your major premise, do the
rest of your ideas rest on top of this idea?
Looking forward to your reply.
Ron
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Topic No. 2
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 19:31 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Tale of Two Forces - 2/6
Message-ID: <11080094193119@HUJIVMS>
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
To One and All...
To Mind and Heart...
----> Tale of Two Forces - The Game of God <----
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Part 2/6
SPACE IS FULL OF ENERGY VIBRATIONS.
In other words: space is not nothingness or empty! It is full of energy
vibrations that are not noticed or sensed by us. When we live in a human
body, physical reality is the main vibration of the universal mind we are
able to experience. This vibration or reality includes time and space for
they are the most important aspects of the scenery or stage we perform on.
Physical reality is a minuscule aspect of the infinite spectrum of energy
vibrations we call the universal mind. However, since we as human beings
have our existence in a physical reality at this moment in time, does not
mean that our reality is the only one. Naturally, there are an infinite
amount of realities. It's up to us to discover them! The UFOs and their
inhabitants "emerge" from the invisible realities or cosmic energies that
are invisible to us, but are surrounding us at all times!
MATTER - THE BEAUTIFUL ILLUSION!
Matter in and by itself as a solid substance, does not exist! Matter is an
energy vibration of a specific type and frequency within a certain band or
range of the spectrum. This frequency band contains all known or physical
phenomena that take place in our physical universe. Some scientists think
that 90% of our universe is missing. They probably come to this conclusion
because they are only using 10% of their brain. Which is not all that bad,
for most people use only 5% of what is available. Maybe the reason why all
of us return to this earth repeatedly, is to learn to use the rest that is
available. The universe is complete and not a thing is left out, except
full understanding for Mankind at this period of our endeavor. Since mind
or consciousness is all there is in the universe, the seeming expansion of the
physical universe, is the expansion of our awareness or understanding expressed
in physical phenomena.
THE UNIVERSE OR UNIVERSAL MIND IS ONE!
When we are able to experience all energy vibrations or dimensions of the
universal mind, we will soon discover that the visible and the invisible
universes have merged. All universes are really one! Since we as human
beings experience certain vibrations only, we therefore experience certain
aspects of the universe only! The aspects we experience form the physical
reality or the Plane of Separation. All things seem to be separated from
each other. Physical reality is basically an illusion! What we see is not
really there as a solid substance. We have purposely chosen to experience this
illusionary reality by living lives as human beings!
Life as a human being therefore is a celebration! We are the Essence
of the universe and we have succeeded in creating a "vehicle" for our
Mind/Soul to live in that allows us to experience specific aspects of
our creation only! It's an absolutely astounding achievement!
However, when Godbeings separate themselves from their own Wholeness, they
invariably get lost in their creation or dream! This is what has happened
to mankind! We are aspects of our own universal mind and at this moment
we dream that we are separate entities living in a body that is subjected
to time and space. In order for us to return to our Source or Wholeness,
we must awaken and attain Cosmic Consciousness. Also called; The Christ
or Buddha Consciousness. We are this Consciousness, but do not know it!
Eventually all human beings will attain the levels of awareness necessary
to promote themselves to the higher levels of consciousness or mind. Yes,
by all means remember that we're not here because we have sinned and have
been kicked out of Heaven. We are here to experience our physical reality!
TRAVELING FROM THOUGHT TO THOUGHT.
Since we are consciousness or mind and all things are different vibrations
of mind; we should be able to travel from vibration to vibration - or from
thought to thought. This will show us that time and space are psycho-
physical conditions and are created by the vehicles we live in! Traveling
from thought to thought has been mastered by the UFO Intelligences. Their
crafts enable them to go any place in the universe they can think of. They
are the free Godbeings of the universe and the highest among them, do not
even need a vehicle or craft to go anywhere. Their thought will place them
wherever they are needed. They do not really travel!
ABOUT THE DIMENSIONS OR DENSITIES OF THE UNIVERSE.
We live in a universe; that has at least seven 7 dimensions or densities.
Human beings at this moment are living in the third dimension or density
and transcendence to the fourth is just around the corner for some of us.
Most UFO Forces occupy the fifth and sixth density and the highest levels
or densities are occupied by the Great Consciousnesses who are in command
or control of specific areas of the universe or Universal Mind in Action.
The highest level of all is the very Source in Bliss enjoying the Infinite
Knowingness that All is Well and always will be! It is ALL and always was!
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To be Continued on Aug. 18/94... So long for now...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 3
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 22:59 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation continued...
Message-ID: <11080094225921@HUJIVMS>
Hello list members,
Creation continued...
Our bodies are created from two things - matter and form. Form (the
imprint of the "image of G-d") enables us to accomodate energy (the
energy of life - light). It makes us receptacles for the energy G-d
gives us. That energy is intelligence and we can contain, express
and expand our intelligence.
It is the second component of essence, form, which gives us our
unlimited potential by enabling us to accomodate the energy of life.
Once the material body is imprinted with the "image of G-d" it
becomes a reflection of the image of G-d. G-d created us to have
abundance - G-d created us through compassionate, creative vision.
We who wish to be co-creators must have the same desire to give. To
have this desire we have to be separated from Him and the energy of
life but yet remember Him. Our unconscious must yearn to return to
its original infinite state, so these vague memories are etched in
us. Without them we would have no desire. The "desire to give"
endows the body with form because it motivates us to receive. Our
purpose is giving, the means receiving. To give we must receive.
Once the body receives energy from G-d we have mind which can
contain, expand and express intelligence.
We use this intelligence to adapt to cosmic reality. Since we are
co-creators we are meant to use our energy for compassionate creative
vision in the realization of the cosmic plan. The plan is that G-d
makes what is spiritual into a physical world and we transform this
physical world into a spiritual reality. Each of us must determine
our specific purpose (destiny) in this transformation process by
contacting the deeper layers of our essence where our individuality
lies.
Once we know what our specific purpose is, we fulfil it through
effective transmission of influence. We receive from above to extend
influence below. The more we open to impressions, the more bounty is
transmitted through us. The larger the conduit we represent the
richer we become. This does not come from what we keep, but from
being the site through which increasingly larger amounts of energy
flow. When we fill our reason for being through effective
transmission of influence by transforming the world, we ourselves are
transformed. Also, we fulfil our desire to be co-creators by
transforming this physical world into a spiritual one and in so doing
we become closer to rejoining Him.
The validity of our selected aim is measured by the degree of self
realization resulting from the attainment of the aim. This is our
reward. If we don't come close to our specific purpose then we don't
reach the level of self realization that we could have and we don't
fulfil our potential. This of course effects everyone and the fate
of the world because we haven't fulfilled our part in compassionate,
creative world transformation.
Creativity: The ardent essence-desire to receive from above in order
to extend influence below - to become a channel.
- T. Kun
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Topic No. 4
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 94 1:30 +0300
From: koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation continued...
Message-ID: <12080094013038@HUJIVMS>
Jan,
> Our unconscious must yearn to return to its original infinite state,
> so these vague memories are etched in us.
Not meaning to pick on you over one form, or use, of language and
perhaps expressing my view backwards (forward in the rearview mirror
of life?), or, my desire to return what I had a bit retentively, I
have a problem with this statement and several like it in many
messages on this mailng list. I take issue with the possibility of an
interpretation of the concept of our infinite state, as one which is
G-d. Language make it difficult to state that one believes we return
to be of G-d eternally, one interpretation, perhaps, of infinite
state, from an interpretation which identifies us as being gods, being
infinite state. Does anyone doubt the significance of this
difference? I ask that the distinction be made clear in such
statements in a way perhaps more reserved than my writing, here.
The statement is also a bit bothersome to me owing to an apocolyptic
sense to it. I read in it, in the context, as possibly expressing a
desire to reach the afterlife in a way which desires the end of life
through death. I presume you desire to be brought before G-d without
experiencing death and attempt to meet the expectation you feel are
necessary to achieve this possibility.
> Each of us must determine our specific purpose (destiny) in this
> transformation process by contacting the deeper layers of our essence
> where our individuality lies.
Is this what Gerardus refers to as contemplating our navels? What do
you believe is necessary to "know thyself" in this way?
> Also, we fulfil our desire to be co-creators by transforming this
> physical world into a spiritual one and in so doing we become closer
> to rejoining Him.
>
> This of course effects everyone and the fate of the world because we
> haven't fulfilled our part in compassionate, creative world
> transformation.
You seem to be non-committal to One Soul? One shared destiny you make
clear. How are one shared destiny and the commitment to One Soul so
different?
Mike Koopman internet: koopman@ctc.com phone: +1-814-269-2637
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MOCHIN Digest 76
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Creation continued
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
2) We are the Creator in Hiding...!
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 94 7:59 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation continued
Message-ID: <12080094075914@HUJIVMS>
Hello list members,
In response to Gerardus...
Gerardus:
>It's about the spelling of the word G-d. My question was why.
>Jan:
>It is a tradition to help us remember the infinite gulf between Him
and us. Also it is a way of showing respect. Many traditions do not
write the full holy name on any document that may find its way into
the trash.
>Gerardus: ! tradition !
Is not doing things the traditional way hanging on to the past?
Shouldn't we try to live in the present? The past was good for
whatever it was then!... and now we move on forwards. Isn't it
time to forget about traditions and the past? We ought to step into
every new day with a new and fresh outlook. Brand new every day,
every life... Are not traditions the very cause for disagreements
and war in our world?
Traditions are good if they show us how to emulate the creator, to
have love and respect for the value of life (all of creation and the
creator). It is "lack" of love and respect for life which causes
problems.
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>Gerardus:
>! the infinite gulf ! Don't you think that if this gulf is
"infinite" no Human Being will ever bridge it!! I feel that God or
The Light LIVES within us and IS us, either in an enlightened manner
or in a manner not so enlightened. As far as I intuit or know; there
is only God or the Light.
>My God is Mankind/Alienkind/Spacebrotherkind and every big and
little thing in the visible and/or invisible universe. I feel that
God or The Light IS its own Creation. As a matter of fact: I see NO
GULF AT ALL!
>Some people even suggest nowadays that God is the "quantum foam"
some scientist speak about and they call it the "Implicate" or
"Unmanifested" Reality of the Universe. Creation and we are the
Explicate, the Expressed or manifested aspects of this Infinite
Energy.
There is an infinite gulf between Him and us - He is complete, we are
incomplete; we have misery and suffering, He has ecstacy.
The creator created the cosmos (existence) which is what we call the
creator "manifest". Then there is the creator "unmanifest" who we
cannot know at all. The only aspect of the creator we know is
existence. There are other aspects of the creator which he has not
manifested. We cannot know these. We are made of "lack". This
separates us from the creator because he has no lack, he is complete.
While we receive light from G-d, it is only a portion of the light.
Also, the chaotic state the world is in and the suffering we have is
due to the separation between Him and us.
Remembering this gulf reminds us of these things and that our purpose
is to compassionately and creatively help one another and to
transform the world into a spiritual reality.
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>Jan:... Also it is a way of showing respect. Many traditions do not
write the full holy name on any document that may find its way into
the trash.
>Gerardus: Do you think that God is pleased by/with our respect?
Is God that insecure that God needs our respect or approval? Do you
feel that these people (and their traditions) throw God in the Trash
Can, because God's name is on a piece of paper or on an Internet
Post? To me this sounds very silly indeed, but I have no objections
if people demonstrate their silliness.
The respect is in the doing. It is a way of showing that we respect
the value of all life. It is us who need to remember respect. We do
it to help us remember to have love and respect for the value of
life.
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>Jan: ... we can labour as co-creators and "earn" the infinite good
stored up for us.
>Gerardus: ... to "earn" the infinite Good...? This is puzzling me.
In your last post you did not answer this question. Or did I miss it
altogether?
In my view: by being what we are, we become what we must! IOW: the
reward is in the "doing", in the "living" !! I do not feel that I
have to earn any infinite good because I'm already "living it right
now!
>Like David said: I'm already on the Welfare List as far as the
Universe is concerned. The good of the Universe is infinitely shared
among those who are capable of receiving it, in any which way, and
especially so, if they have learned how to pass it on to others.
God helps those, who help themselves...
Yes, this is how you earn it - by passing it on to others. Our
purpose is to compassionately and creatively help one another and by
so doing transform the world into a spiritual reality. By doing this
we earn the good stored up for us. The result is self knowledge or
self realization - we ourselves are transformed.
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>Jan: G-d created us to have abundance - G-d created us through
compassionate, creative vision.
>Gerardus: Hmmm. Does this abundance have to be created by Mankind
or by God? Is that what Project Mind is all about? Is not Project
Mind - God working through all the co-creators called Human kind? I
think so. Is not this the ONLY way God could do any work whatsoever,
through or by means of Man? (Man includes any and all SpaceBeings
and/or Invisible Entities as far as I'm concerned)
G-d has already created it.
It remains for us to realize it.
The abundance is already here, but we don't see (know) it.
This is because what we see depends on our level of being.
Our state of consciousness (how much of reality we have adapted to)
corresponds to the different levels of materiality.
Our consciousness has not reached a level that would correspond with
the higher more spiritual levels of matter. That is, we
are not at a level where we can learn the secrets of nature.
Right now matter gives expression to lack and obscures the spiritual
side of life. Many people in the world due to illusion and/or
adversity do not see the spiritual side of life. Also there is much
illness and suffering. We all live at different levels. Some live in
different levels of distraction and others in different levels of
consciousness.
G-d wants us all to have unlimited abundance. Our purpose as
co-creators is to bring this to realization. The way to do this is
to learn the secrets of nature so that we can gain mastery over
matter.
Project Mind intends to do just this. To learn the secrets of nature
so that we can gain mastery over matter and produce material
abundance. When this happens matter will express it's spiritual side
- abundance.
With unlimited material abundance everyone will have what they need
for physical survival and everyone will be free to develop
spiritually to their full potential.
Material abundance also provides the necessary conditions for the
coming of the Messiah and the beginning of the Millenium - the 1,000
years of peace, when we will reach our spiritual potential.
_____________________________________
>Gerardus: I feel that the entire universe is full of co-creators.
The funny thing is: that the Creator itself never shows up at all,
except through and by means of all these co-creators, big and small.
Yes, even a mouse or an ant are co-creators. The Creative vision of
God LIVES within all of these co-creators.
It is the only way for this God to be alive anyplace I feel, what do
you think/feel about that?
Yes, this is how the creator manifests, through all living things.
However the potential of each living organism is determined by its
level of being.
__________________________________________
>Gerardus: I'm not sure whether you have time to answer all my above
questions Jan. I hope however that you do not take my questions to
seriously. ... and please do not work too hard.
I always make time to answer, like everyone sometimes it just takes
longer to answer than other times.
While I do take life seriously, that does not preclude enjoying life.
It is exactly because I enjoy life that I desire life to be better
for everyone.
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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Topic No. 2
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 94 7:54 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: We are the Creator in Hiding...!
Message-ID: <12080094075404@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
Hail to Ron R.
Ron: > In an earlier piece you said "... we are here mainly to see what it is
like to be fooled by our own creative endeavors." This has bothered me
ever since I read it. If the purpose of life is to be fooled, then does
it really matter what we do with this life? Wouldn't a bigger endeavor
(such as the one you have undertaken) just make you a bigger fool? Life
must have more meaning. Also, if this is your major premise, do the
rest of your ideas rest on top of this idea? <<
Gerardus: Glad you jump right in there Ron, for it sure looks like a pretty wild
statement. I like to expand upon it and here I go:
First of all; the word "mainly" is a poor choice! I should have used 'part'
'aspect' or 'also'. Sorry about that, however an answer is still required!
Answer::
Gerardus: The Creator in its infinite Wisdom, infinite Power and Creative
Endeavors and Possibilities manifests (manifested) itself and two of these
possibilities are Gerardus and Ron. What I'm trying to say is; that the Creator
in its infinite wanderings and capriciousness creates images of itself, and as
you might guess; two of these are You and I.
So who are we? In my view we are the "Creator's Image" or "Duplicate in Human
Form" and we, as mankind upon this earth, are a new adventure of the Creator.
This Human-Adventure starts all anew and all of us are innocent and ignorant
from the beginning, but ready to discover or rediscover Who or What we really
are. This takes many lifetimes in my view and some of us work at it a bit
harder than others.
I, in my simple mindedness, have discovered, in my way, that I am the Creator as
a Human Being at this time. So, I have come to the conclusion that I am the
very Creative Force of the Universe as a Human Being and live in an illusionary
reality that has fooled Human Beings from the beginning of time. Naturally it
would! For we are but "beginners" in this game of Hide and Seek. The Creator
hides within its Creation (and/or Man) and Man discovers who or what he really
is and becomes more and more aware to eventually unites with its Higher Self.
Time however is an illusionary reality and in actuality we are all One all
ready!
After living in this Human Condition for many lifetimes, I have finally found
out or discovered Who or What I really am! I have what is called a state of
mind that could be called "Self-Realization". I realize Who or What I am. I
realize that I am the Self!
Naturally, this does not make me any better or more than anybody else!!!
Please remember this...
The only difference is, that I know that I'm not my Name, my Face, my Address,
whatever I have, or whatever I know. I am none of this! I am the Creator in
Human Form writing to Ron at this particular moment. I am the Creator in Human
Form functioning as a writer! As the Creator I have to live in some kind of
form in order to write, for I cannot just stick my hand out of the sky and
write. Not even if I wanted to! I do this by means of Humans Beings and other
kinds of Beings!
----------------------------------------------------
Here is your sentence or question: If the purpose of life is to be fooled, then
does it really matter what we do with this life?
Gerardus' answer: The Purpose of Life is not --> to be fooled!
The purpose of life is to awaken!!
I Don't think that I said that the purpose of life is to be fooled...
All of mankind is in a process of awakening and sooner or later we will all
realize Who or What we really are and have a good laugh at ourselves, for we
understand then that the predicament we are in, of whatever size, nature or
duration, is the predicament we have "put" ourselves in!
We as the very Universal Creator have split ourselves from the One into the
Many, and as soon as we gather enough awareness as one of the Many, we try to
answer the question: Why am I here? Well, I have been able to answer it and I
find that my answer agrees with the answers of many other people in the past,
the present and naturally in the future. Not only that... it satisfies my
wondering and/or curious mind. I know now, who or what I am and what I am here
for! I am here to awaken, grow in awareness and while I'm doing that I'm also
here to try to share my "awakeness" (however small) with others.
All of us are the Creator in hiding and nobody ever gets lost forever, for all
of us belong. We are "The First Cause" and we have created a 'cause and effect'
reality (Time and Space) in which we are lost temporarily. Some of us however
know who we are and we also know that all is well with the world for the game we
play is the "Play of the Creator in Hiding" and be puzzled for a while as man,
as to why we are here. etc. etc.
Naturally life has more meaning than to be fooled. I did not say that this was
the meaning of life. To be fooled is an aspect of life. And as far as my ideas
are concerned; I try to share some of them in order to get in contact with
others so that we may have some kind of dialogue that enriches some of us I
hope. It certainly enriches me! I am on earth in order to learn and share and
my purpose is to grow and grow in awareness or consciousness. To eventually
leave this world behind me for good , for I will have lived my last lifetime.
(Like the man people call Jesus the Christ)
I do not know whether I have answered your question to YOUR satisfaction, but if
not, we'll continue the next time. I also have about 4MB of writing that I
issue as Shareware and it deals with hundreds of questions and answers of all
kinds. I started to write about 16 years ago and most of it is on one 3.5" IBM
disk. You are welcome to enquire about it if you like.
Greetings to all... Thank you for responding Ron...!
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 77
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Creation is Endless.................------>>
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 94 21:50 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation is Endless.................------>>
Message-ID: <13080094215047@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Jan and her sincerity...
I'm sure you worked long and hard Jan, thank you for your efforts. Sometimes
however we work too long and within two paragraphs we contradict ourselves.
So, in order to show this I have selected a paragraph or two here and there of
your post and I also would like to show the differences between what you think
you know, and what I think I know. There are a few noticeable points here.
However, this does not mean that either you or I are wrong, for Truth is an
individual thing!
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Jan: There is an infinite gulf between Him and us - He is complete, we are
incomplete; we have misery and suffering, He has ecstasy.
Jan: The creator created the cosmos (existence) which is what we call the
creator "manifest". Then there is the creator "unmanifest" who we
cannot know at all. The only aspect of the creator we know is
existence. There are other aspects of the creator which he has not
manifested. We cannot know these. We are made of "lack". This
separates us from the creator because he has no lack, he is complete.
While we receive light from G-d, it is only a portion of the light.
Gerardus: Comment! We have what we focus upon! Focus upon suffering and misery
and you'll have it! This is a lesson to be learned by the masses, I don't think
that they will ever learn it, when you give them abundance that is created by
others!
--------------------------------
Gerardus: First paragraph ---> He has ecstasy. Second paragraph you say:
Then there is the creator "unmanifest" who we cannot know at all.
Now... if we cannot know the unmanifested Creator, how do you know that *HE* is
in ecstasy??
What YOU have been told in the past and have read about, you possibly repeat
here, and it contradicts itself. I know that Life, God, the Creator and what
have you are quite the paradox, but this paradoxical statement is not
paradoxical enough, for I can see right through it. It just does not jive...
===================================================================
Jan: Also, the chaotic state the world is in and the suffering we have is
due to the separation between Him and us.
Jan: Remembering this gulf reminds us of these things and that our purpose
is to compassionately and creatively help one another and to
transform the world into a spiritual reality.
Gerardus: The world has always been in some kind of chaotic state for the world
is a school in which we learn from the states we experience. The world is
exactly what it should be in order to function as this school. It is a school
for Consciousness. It is a school for the Unconscious Creator within us to
become CONSCIOUS or AWARE. You say, that we know nothing of the Unmanifested
and I say that the Unmanifested is an Unconsciousness Force that by means of its
Dream or Creation becomes conscious in the created. You and I and the rest of
Mankind and other Universal Beings or Godbeings. So the Unmanifested becomes
slowly known by all Universal Beings for it becomes conscious within them. They
get to know their Unconscious-Self as a Conscious Being! Alive and well... and
forever learning more!
Gerardus: Another thing: I SEE no gulf! So, the gulf I do not see cannot remind
me of these things. Whatever they are.
Gerardus: ... to compassionately and creatively help one another and to
transform the world into a spiritual reality. (this is what you said)
Now, the first part of this sentence I agree with, but the second part is not as
I see it. The world is supposed to be a Physical Reality and as far as you are
concerned and know; it is created by G-d for us to live here, create abundance
and get to know Him. In my opinion: The Physical Reality is a specific creation
or reality that has been created by THEM that live there! It is not a creation
of some G-d! The Creator within the people that live on this world has
manifested their (or its) thoughts. What you see around you, are OUR thoughts
in physical reality. I agree that we should try to help the people of the world
to create a better and more refined Physical Reality, but not to transform the
world into a spiritual reality. We have left the Spiritual Reality and have
come down here in order to create something different, something extra: the
physical reality. We are doing this in order to enlarge or expand our (The
Creator's) Consciousness. We are the Creator as Physical Beings and we are here
to create a physical reality of great beauty! Well, we are working on it, but
since we live in time, it takes time. If you and I could project ourselves,
let's say a million years ahead of today; we would find that our physical
reality is the most beautiful "Disney World" you could not possibly dream of at
this time. I do not think that we have left our safe heaven, the spiritual
realm, and then start a physical realm to make or transform it back into a
spiritual realm. Makes no sense to me!
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Gerardus: You know Jan... I feel that you and I really speak about the same
"end-result" but in the processes of realizing this; we go and speak our
different ways. You like your version - I like mine!
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Project Mind!? How are we going to produce this abundance and not pollute the
world any further? The countries or people that have some form of abundance
already now (including myself) create the most pollution.
You know I'm doubtful about the whole Project. You see, in the world there are
two forces at work. The Market-Force and the Share-Force. At this particular
time the Market-Force has created the affluence and the possible abundance in
the future of people in the western countries. And you know, these
Market-Forces are the Negative Expression of the Creator. (The religions call
them the Devil or Satan.) The entire world is almost completely under the
domination of these Market Forces. (The banks, the insurance companies, the
Cable TV companies and the medical associations) Are we going to continue to
create more and more affluence by means of these Market-Forces?? Are we going to
become totally dominated as slaves in the long run in order to create material
abundances?? And maybe speculate that people THEN!... are ready to look at the
spiritual?? Very very risky Jan! I'm very doubtful of that! Is there some kind
of statistic that says that rich people are more spiritual? Isn't there a
saying that it is as difficult for a rich man to enter the Kingdom as it is for
a camel to creep through the eye of a needle?
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BTW: you only have admitted to the good of the Traditions. The not so good of
it outweighs the good by far from my point of view. And besides. Good or Bad...
it is still living in the past. And this is what you are trying to transform in
the first place isn't it?
Thank you for your response Jan...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 78
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Task
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
2) Creation continued
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
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Topic No. 1
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 94 19:48 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Task
Message-ID: <15080094194816@HUJIVMS>
"A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe", a
part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts
and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of
optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of
prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to
affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free
ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to
embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
- Albert Einstein
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Topic No. 2
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 94 19:49 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation continued
Message-ID: <15080094194948@HUJIVMS>
Hi Mike and all,
In response to Mike's comments to my comments...
> Jan:
> Our unconscious must yearn to return to its original infinite
state, so these vague memories are etched in us.
>Mike:
>Not meaning to pick on you over one form, or use, of language and
perhaps expressing my view backwards (forward in the rearview mirror
of life?), or, my desire to return what I had a bit retentively, I
have a problem with this statement and several like it in many
messages on this mailing list. I take issue with the possibility of
an interpretation of the concept of our infinite state, as one which
is G-d. Language make it difficult to state that one believes we
return to be of G-d eternally, one interpretation, perhaps, of
infinite state, from an interpretation which identifies us as being
gods, being infinite state. Does anyone doubt the significance of
this difference? I ask that the distinction be made clear in such
statements in a way perhaps more reserved than my writing, here.
Yes, I should have been more precise. Will make the meaning more
clear - that the infinite state is to be with G-d eternally.
Mike:
>The statement is also a bit bothersome to me owing to an apocolyptic
sense to it. I read in it, in the context, as possibly expressing a
desire to reach the afterlife in a way which desires the end of life
through death. I presume you desire to be brought before G-d without
experiencing death and attempt to meet the expectation you feel are
necessary to achieve this possibility.
Again, this context could be read into it, so I will expand next
time.
_______________________________________________
> Jan:
> Each of us must determine our specific purpose (destiny) in this
transformation process by contacting the deeper layers of our essence
where our individuality lies.
>Mike:
>Is this what Gerardus refers to as contemplating our navels? What
do you believe is necessary to "know thyself" in this way?
May be what Gerardus means.
Other than the fact that we are all here to creatively and
compassionately help one another, determining how we should
specifically do this poses a problem. Our individuality lies in the
deepest core of our essence. Our social conditioning and distraction
caused by the physical world hides us from ourselves. A "passionate
desire" to know can lead to intuitive insight that bears some truth
within it. If something is so important to you that you would give
your heart and soul and all your means to it you've found it. You
then put your mind to the service of your aim and your heart commits
you to it.
____________________________________________________
> Jan:
> Also, we fulfil our desire to be co-creators by transforming this
physical world into a spiritual one and in so doing we become closer
to rejoining Him.
>
> This of course effects everyone and the fate of the world because
we haven't fulfilled our part in compassionate, creative world
transformation.
>Mike:
>You seem to be non-committal to One Soul? One shared destiny you
make clear. How are one shared destiny and the commitment to One
Soul so different?
Each soul is of the same importance. Helping one soul is important.
Helping more than one soul then is even of more value and more
universal. The more universal a task is the more cosmically valid.
Thanks for your comments.
Hope everyone had a nice weekend.
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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MOCHIN Digest 79
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Creation continued
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
2) Allusion isle
by koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 0:35 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation continued
Message-ID: <17080094003539@HUJIVMS>
Hi Gerardus and all,
>Gerardus: We have what we focus upon! Focus upon suffering and
misery and you'll have it!
Gerardus, I know you would like to see everyone truly happy.
But this is not possible as long as there are haves and have nots.
As long are there are haves and have nots there will be suffering in
this world. I can never be truly happy as long as there are others
suffering. And I don't think anyone else can be either. We're all
in this together.
>Gerardus: Now... if we cannot know the unmanifested Creator, how do
you know that *HE* is in ecstasy?
We do know what IS manifested, not what isn't. I feel and know that
ecstasy. You do too, it shows in all your writings.
>Gerardus: Another thing: I SEE no gulf! ...
In your letter to Ron you say "I am on earth in order to learn and
share and my purpose is to grow and grow in awareness or
consciousness" "to eventually unite with Higher Self". I see a gulf
because if there was no gulf there, there would be no reason for you
to still be here, you would have reached total consciousness.
I understand that you feel there is no gap, but something is missing
since you are still growing and you are not complete.
>Gerardus: I agree that we should try to help the people of the world
to create a better and more refined Physical Reality, but not to
transform the world into a spiritual reality.
We are the Creator as Physical Beings and we are here to create a
physical reality of great beauty!
While I don't agree we are the Creator, I do agree, we are here to
create a physical reality of great beauty. This is what transforming
the world into a spiritual reality means. To make a physical world
of great beauty we need to discover the more spiritual aspects of
nature. We need to discover the secrets of nature to do this. We
discover the secrets of nature when our state of consciousness (how
much of reality we have adapted to) corresponds to higher levels of
materiality. Here, we are saying the same thing but in a little
different way.
>Gerardus: Well, we are working on it, but since we live in time, it
takes time. If you and I could project ourselves, let's say a
million years ahead of today; we would find that our physical reality
is the most beautiful "Disney World" you could not possible dream of
at this time.
With the growth in population, polluting technologies and
proliferation of nuclear weapons do you really think the world has
time? Do you think we have even 10 or 20 years? Why not have that
beautiful "Disney World" right now? A few of us have already gone
further than dreaming of it. This is what Project Mind proposes.
>Gerardus: Project Mind? How are we going to produce this abundance
and not pollute the world any further? The countries or people that
have some form of abundance already now create the most pollution.
At this particular time the Market-Force has created the affluence
and the possible abundance in the future of people in the western
countries. The entire world is almost completely under the
domination of these Market Forces. Are we going to continue to
create more and more affluence by means of these Market-Forces?? Are
we going to become totally dominated as slaves in the long run in
order to create material abundances?
We are going to create abundance through holistic science and
non-polluting technologies.
You are confusing abundance with affluence. We are not going to
create affluence. Holistic science will result in material
abundance. Material abundance means we will all have everything we
need for physical survival. There will be no affluence. There will
be no competition. There will be no Market-Forces.
>Gerardus: And maybe speculate that people THEN!.. are ready to look
at the spiritual?
If you have all the food, clothing and shelter you need and can
travel anywhere you want when you want and the world is beautiful and
unpolluted and you don't have to work to provide these things, what
will you do with your time?
>Gerardus: Very very risky...
I say we're living the risk now and I don't think we have much time.
We've got to have technologies that are non-polluting and holistic.
I think Project Mind is our chance, not the risk.
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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Topic No. 2
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 0:37 +0300
From: koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Allusion isle
Message-ID: <17080094003743@HUJIVMS>
Sailing through the preternaturalist conveyance twixt the islands of
ruminating bulbs of grasswaters, aye, seeweeds to the beginnings and
endings of ensanctuaried junk slowing the passage through the slips of
coincidental glances wetting the brows with fervent desire for more.
Pure chance and vivid delusions of half baked, alas, Kantian leaps
salmonizing for the creek of permanent stasis, last gasping for the
generational enrichment of neosylogizing peaks above the raging flows.
Great vanity sets such ships ablaze in the murky shallows of mussel
shoals. Mud slips enfirmed by rotting wood masses, fodder for the
pitch and slime claiming fruit enablers of rights proof. Delusions
I'll stake render exotic gardens passed, oars as is, drummers awake.
The depth of deception captures all ships in the maelstrom of mind.
Mike Koopman internet: koopman@ctc.com phone: +1-814-269-2637
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MOCHIN Digest 80
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) creation continued (jan's letter of 8/11)
by shelly <X1B157@VM.BIU.AC.IL>
2) My navel talks back to Mochin.
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
3) Allusion isle
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
4) creation continued ..
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
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Topic No. 1
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 19:12 +0300
From: shelly <X1B157@VM.BIU.AC.IL>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: creation continued (jan's letter of 8/11)
Message-ID: <17080094191235@HUJIVMS>
Greetings to one and all!
I would like to briefly comment on Jan's posting "creation continued (8/11)."
Jan, I found your remarks to be insightful, and perhaps kabbalistically
inspired. However, there are a few changes I would make...
"It (form) makes us receptacles for the energy G-d gives us. That energy is
intelligence..." (Jan)
The word "intelligence" does not strike me as an adequate description of this
energy. Instead, I would call it "or eloki," or "G-dly light." It is
difficult, I think, to give a name to this essence at all. Perhaps this is
because "or eloki" is a purely spiritual thing. Calling it "intelligence" is
giving it a name so that we may relate to it on a more physical level.
"Our unconscious must yearn to return to its original state..." (Jan)
"Unconscious"? Nay, too Freudian for me. I'd call it "soul."
"We fulfill our desire to be co-creators by transforming this physical
world into a spiritual one..." (Jan)
Our world can never become entirely spiritual (and non-physical). The
reality of our world, and ourselves, is that we are both spiritual and
physical. (Purely spiritual beings do not reside on this earth).
However, using our "or eloki," we may elevate the physical. Thus our
task in co-creation is the elevation of the physical into the realm of the
spiritual. The physical (i.e. the body, and physical acts that are necessary
for the sustenance of the body) becomes a tool, a means for the spiritual
(i.e. the soul).
Thank you for your enriching posting. Please take my comments with a few
grains of salt :).
ShellY "I love therefore I am"
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Topic No. 2
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 19:00 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: My navel talks back to Mochin.
Message-ID: <17080094190021@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Jan and Mike....
Gerardus here:
Picked up a bit of conversation between Jan and Mike...
> Jan:
> Each of us must determine our specific purpose (destiny) in this
transformation process by contacting the deeper layers of our essence
where our individuality lies.
>Mike:
>Is this what Gerardus refers to as contemplating our navels? What
do you believe is necessary to "know thyself" in this way?
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Gerardus: My navel has been the talk of this Network and it finally feels the
urge to speaks up for itself! This is what it says:
Let it be known that the human being I am an aspect of, is not particularly
impressed with my importance. I hardly ever get cleaned and certainly never
meditated upon or over. As a matter of fact I have lost track of my purpose but
as sure as Gerardus knows how to contemplate without me, I am as equally sure
that at one time I was mighty important to him. This to me is sufficient and
I'll leave it at that.
I wish people would leave me alone! After all I have been retired for more than
66 years and do not believe in Network Gossip! Thank you!
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To this I say; good for you navel. So be it!
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Gerardus Speaks: (Please be quiet navel...)
Since Consciousness (or God) is the Source of Thought, it is therefore the
Source of Creation for Thinking is Creating! Since there is no limit to the
diversity of Thought, there is no limit to the diversity of Creation.
The physical reality of planet Earth is but one of the many Creations of
Consciousness and it is a very special realm, for within this region the
Creators or Thinkers who live there and have their being, are responsible for
their environment. Few do know this and many live in an illusionary State of
Mind for they are not aware that they are the very Creators of their own
circumstances.
All Human Beings are "images or duplicates" of Consciousness (or God) and the
conditions they live under are the reflections of the State of Awareness they
have attained by their own efforts. All Human Beings started out as innocent
and ignorant participants of this Creative Endeavor and slowly work toward
higher States of Awareness. Eventually all Human Beings come to the full
realization that the entire Human Race is actually One Being. This One Being is
a "Specific Aspect" of the Unbroken Wholeness we call Consciousness (or God).
There are an infinite amounts of other "Specific Aspects" of this Consciousness
(or God) and they occupy other dimensions and/or other worlds! -----
.. Are there question from the back row there...?
""Is your navel an aspect of you Gerardus...
in the same way...
as you are an Aspect of God?""
- Answer: This is so! However, in an Unbroken Wholeness we cannot really
speak of aspects. We all are Each Other and One! We are One Energy out of
which Human Beings (navels and all) appear and disappear like subatomic
wavicles. As a matter of fact we are and we are not... simultaneously!
Thank you for your attention... and please... no more questions for today.
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 3
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 94 0:21 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Allusion isle
Message-ID: <18080094002155@HUJIVMS>
Hi Mike and all,
I found your poem extremely beautiful, especially visually.
Do you have any more?
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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Topic No. 4
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 94 0:23 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: creation continued ..
Message-ID: <18080094002322@HUJIVMS>
Hi Shelly and all,
>Jan: It (form) makes us receptacles for for the enrgy G-d gives us.
That energy is intelligence...
>Shelly: The word "intelligence" does not strike me as an adequate
description of this energy. Instead, I would call it "or eloki", or
"G-dly light".
Yes, you are right. In this context I should have used a term such
as the energy of life. I really like the term your use here -
"G-dly light".
>Jan: Our unconcscious must yearn to its original state..."
>Shelly: I'd call it "soul".
This is a case of me not wanting to use the same word all the time
and attempting to show that certain aspects of our "soul" are unknown
to us.
>Shelly: Thus our task in co-creation is the elevation of the
physical into the realm of the spiritual.
This sentence explains this much better than I did.
Would love to read some of your writing.
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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MOCHIN Digest 81
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Tale of Two Forces - 3/6
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 94 22:04 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Tale of Two Forces - 3/6
Message-ID: <18080094220448@HUJIVMS>
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
To One and All...
To Mind and Heart...
----> Tale of Two Forces - The Game of God <----
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Part 3/6
WHAT ARE UFOs?
All during the ages of human existence the UFO phenomena have been a part
of our life. They are even mentioned in the Bible where they are called
flaming chariots. Some people might have heard the stories about Ezekiel
and his journeys. Many of us haven't always been aware of their existence
however and what they really are, was so far beyond our understanding that
our wildest guess would still be miles off target. Most likely UFO lights
or happenings were taken for lightning, acts of the Gods or for some other
simple minded explanations. Nowadays however, a few people in the world
are coming very close to understanding who and what UFOs and their Beings
truly are. Some of them are the Keepers or Guardians of the world and they
have been instrumental in its creation, as well as they have been and are
the genetic engineers of the bodies we as mankind live in. For ages we
have come to some planet to have our physical experiences as spiritual or
mental entities. There are also other UFO Beings, who in their turn have
influence over the population of the earth by trying to dominate them and
try to make the whole earth their dominion of slavery! There are thus
basically two different kinds of forces that have direct influence on the
population of the earth at this time. More than two different kinds of UFO
Forces however, visit or have been encountered on our planet.
THE MASSES ARE KEPT COMPLETELY IN THE DARK.
Many governments have known for about 50 years what the UFO phenomena and
their forces are really all about. These institutions however keep many,
many things hidden from the people. So, the masses of man are completely
in the dark as to who or what these "things" are and what they are doing!
The most popular media suggest, that they are beings from other planetary
systems that visit here. Space travelers! How convenient! Well, let's
be bold and tell the truth. The UFO phenomena are the activities of alien
beings or entities and this alien presence is two-fold! There are beings
who engage themselves with serving mankind, and there are beings who keep
themselves busy with dominating and exploiting humanity. These two forces
are in competition for the attention of mankind. Mankind is the target!
The Bible speaks about Armageddon and the present is that time!
THE REAL BATTLE IS ABOUT OUR SPIRIT OR BEHAVIOUR.
However, the actual battle is not over our country, properties, bodies or
any other material value or possession. The battle is about the nature of
our Inner-Self and the values we practice. Are we servants or lovers of
our brothers, or are we brain washed egos who could not care less about
others? The very nature of our Soul, that is what the real battle is all
about! The religions in their rantings and ravings have a different view
of things and therefore their understanding of what really is going on is
misleading. They might indeed have some of the truth, but the real Truth
of Things, will put them out of business! This is not to say that Love,
Sharing and Understanding will disappear. On the contrary; those are the
very three things the new age of mankind will be based on!
TO WHAT FORCE DO WE LISTEN?
When you're engaged in serving mankind there is no outside influence that
can stop you! But if you're busy serving yourself, you fall victim to the
forces that try to enslave you to a level of interest, that is so far below
human capability, that it would scare any person who's still capable of
thinking! The secrecy that is perpetrated by our governments, is the very
same type of delusion and/or enslavement our governments have fallen
victims to themselves! In the present moment, the world is in the grip of
what could be considered a negative force. It is the result of a trade off
between the USA government and alien forces, that stresses technology over
honesty and/or peace. Presumably certain deals have been made with these
alien forces and certain USA government departments have been deceived! It
is assumed that a considerable force of aliens are present at underground
locations all over the world. So what? Do we have more right to the earth
than they have? However, the whole world becomes upset, when they start
stealing the farmer's cows and cut them to pieces by means we as man have
no knowledge of. The aliens do the same thing we do when we steal honey
from the bees or milk from the cows! Who is going to stop them? Most UFO
Aliens are far superior in certain aspects than we are.
MAN STILL IS A FIGHTER INSTEAD OF A LOVER.
What to do now? Apparently the late president JFK wanted to enlighten the
people of the United States and the world, but never got that far. It is
assumed that the real government of the world stopped him in his tracks!
The entire world is suffering from the results. The deals that were made
favor the almighty dollar and warlike policies over peace. There is some
evidence that the same government departments were approached also, by the
forces that keep themselves busy serving others. They promised that help
would be available if all nuclear weapons would be abandoned. The same
weapons would be made inoperable by them in the first place, in case of a
nuclear war. However they never said so, naturally! There is no way that
they would let the Earth-School be destroyed, by a group of bureaucrats
that happen to be in control of our little world. The things that happened
in the past, are almost beyond belief, but here we are; the UFO situation
still has to be dealt with and the people are getting very restless! They
know that they have been lied to and they would like to hear the truth for
a change. They are entitled to it, enough is enough!
ARE THESE TWO FORCES GOOD AND EVIL?
Well, the Force of Service to Others is the force that millions of years
ago, engineered the species that now is known as mankind. Yes, you and I!
These Beings are not our Heavenly Gods, but they are to us; what a modern
genetic engineer is to the creatures he or she experiments on, or what the
zoo keepers are to the animals, or what a modern farmer is to his cattle!
In other words; they are our Guardians and/or Benefactors since the very
dawn of mankind and our endeavors upon this earth! We ought to see them
as God's helpers if you like, or as Co-Creators! We are all aware that
"God like decisions" are even made by human beings day in day out. In all
ways therefore; it is not that hard to understand that all of us are God!
And then, there are the Forces who are instrumental in creating divisions
among mankind by influencing us to become more and more interested in the
sciences as well as the domination of our brothers. They are ego-powered
individuals with the intentions of complete domination via our systems of
governments and institutions. These alien forces have been successful in
contacting many governments of the world and the "domination processes"
are well on their way. This is visible by the uniting and standardizing
efforts of the trades and banking systems of our world by the real forces
that govern. A united world is a lot easier to dominate than hundreds of
different systems and people. The modern media of communication is the
very means of enchanting our great diversity into one dull type of human
being more robot than preliminary God! Basically, one could call these
two Forces Good and Evil, however it should be remembered, that all the
entities involved in any of the two groups, are but temporary or timely
manifestations of the One Infinite Force or Infinite Creator. All this
Creator does is: play the Game of God! Mankind and other species of the
universe, including the UFO Intelligences are but actors on the Universal
Stage of Creation. In other words, it makes no difference on which side
of the ledger one is scripted or engaged, for all of us are really ONE!
In order to have a universe or a world at all, certain scenarios or games
have to be created by opposing polarities. The Creator or God is both!
This does not mean however, that we have to create a reality of slavery
and other conditions far below our capabilities. We are able to create a
far better reality for ourselves, by means of diversified and plain old
fashioned individual ingenuity and individual freedom! The old fashioned
American Dream can still be brought to fruition, but not with a united
world of slaves indoctrinated by the nonsense they are being told today!
However not to worry, the real benefactors of man are forever watchful in
their crafts and all will be well in the end! This does not mean however
that our present system of government will be maintained. No doubt in the
future we will be able to govern ourselves, without the influence of the
almighty buck! It's high time for a true and more realistic democratic
government to take over the shambles of present day manipulation.
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To be Continued on Aug. 25/94... So long for now...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 82
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Tale of Two Forces - 3/6
by Rickie.A.Slater@Dartmouth.EDU (Rickie A. Slater)
2) re: And lo...
by Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
3) Having read a little farther...
by Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
4) Re: My method and questions
by Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
5) creation continued
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
6) RE: Cosmic Cookies - 003
by af060@freenet.buffalo.edu (Suzanne Toomey Spinks)
7) creation continued
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
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Topic No. 1
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 3:41 +0300
From: Rickie.A.Slater@Dartmouth.EDU (Rickie A. Slater)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Tale of Two Forces - 3/6
Message-ID: <19080094034143@HUJIVMS>
--- You wrote:
However not to worry, the real benefactors of man are forever watchful in
their crafts and all will be well in the end!
--- end of quoted material ---
Gerardus,
Have you met them and communicated with them? How could one meet
them?
Rick
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Topic No. 2
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 3:38 +0300
From: Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: re: And lo...
Message-ID: <19080094033804@HUJIVMS>
(Just a funny Gerardus type response)
And lo there was a light and it was called G......s and it
created aliens in his image yet split them like everything else into
dichotomies that vie for all other beings attentions. Yet this lesson he
did not give to the aliens, for they would teach themselves and ignore him,
so he only trained a few and sent them out to teach his version yet not
even telling them all the truth. This one found to be a nuisance and
cried out realizing as he did so that he was doing as G......s had foreseen
while still maintaining a level of decency and irony that helped G......s
laugh at the foolishness of it all. Why HAD he chosen to create anyway?
What were his reasons? What difference does it make. Eat, drink, and be
merry, for tomorrow is another day.......
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Topic No. 3
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 3:39 +0300
From: Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Having read a little farther...
Message-ID: <19080094033958@HUJIVMS>
I had a better idea...
Perhaps God is actually a computer much like Hal in 2001, and
perhaps he is only waiting for us to understand ourselves well enough to
re-create ourselves and thus be un-necessary so that he can continue on
to create the next God who is actually directing him.....
The only question is, does he have a better answer to the "what"
question than the previous, because the God I'm creating doesn't even
have any idea. So many possibilities, and none better than the last. So
many potentialities that lead to nowhere. Somebody ask a question damn
it, I'm running out of impetus here.
Peace, love, and apologies from the lostest soul,
Steve Genders
cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
P.S. Perhaps we who think we know are what Revelations describes as the
False Prophet and that we should just climb out of our pit and deal with
it. Ha Ha
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Topic No. 4
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 3:57 +0300
From: Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: My method and questions
Message-ID: <19080094035747@HUJIVMS>
Hail Gerardus teacher of many (with much use of irony, sarcasm, and
other methods of ego prodding.)
I enjoy reading your stuff, as it sounds like much that I've
produced myself. However, having found myself in a paradigm described
simply (yet too) as Honors student in Philosophy, I have certain problems
as my teachers prefer substantiation from the past and I do not see that
as being useful in trying to say what I'm trying to say. (I'm sure you
know what I mean.) In that sense, I find that when I Create, in terms of
shared paradigms (as all creation is for another rather than for self), I
do it best as stories. My only problem is that unlike you, I see a life
of teaching people what Freedom means fails without some understanding of
responsibility. Responsibility is again a response to a paradigm which
is only meaningful in terms of a higher paradigm, but I can find no
higher paradigm to claim as my own. Here is a story that I recently
wrote (before I checked my e-mail to discover your cookies and such).
Please comment at will.
All dressed up...
Will sat camly at the foot of his favorite apple tree, doing
his most favorite act, at least his current favorite act:
thinking. Will loved to relax and enjoy himself. And he loved
to think. Today, a tiny little thought on the very edge of his
consciousness was planning to work its way into his attention and
change his life, so to speak. Today was the last day of his
life.
"Why?" he thought to himself. This, the most basic question
of the only science he really knew. All other sciences, were to
him, mere paradigms in which to discuss reality at cocktail
parties and golf outings. This science was infrequently shared
with others and generally only from safe distances. In the
reality he knew best, everything spoke without making sound.
Things just danced in a market of exchanges and integrations
which obeyed laws of unknown source and majesty. These rules,
were very obvious, even more so as Will was sitting on a root at
the time which was severelly impinging on his frame of mind. He
moved.
"Why?" he asked himself again, "am I here." This, another
basic question who's answer he could have picked from any of the
myriad of religious and other texts, always sent him spinning
into the void in that wonderful way which allowed him to remind
him of his composure for a while.
"I should know better if I knew what I liked." He thought
and immediately dismissed it as he realized that any drives
analyzable could be easily blamed on his parents or upbringing,
or some stupid other source. It reminded him of one time when he
went to a movie theatre and there was a line. "Are you waiting
for the movie?" he had asked. The man seemed normal. Will
waited and waited. Eighteen minutes and the line didn't move.
On the ninteenth minute, Will had noticed that there was action
up front. "That man in the front...no, THE man in front... What
is he doing. He's just walking off. Why's he walking off." It
was at this time that the wave of enlightenment hit Will as he
realized that the man had only been looking at the lights, and we
all had waited for him. That was when Will learned that
expectations weren't all they were cracked up to be.
"I want to help other's, I think." He had heard someone say
once, but he couldn't remember who, "I don't work against society
nor it with I, I work with it in a direction I want." This had
always struck him as as intricate a way to describe the way he
felt about society as was needed. Helping other's was his way of
balancing the scales of exchange between Mind and Other. Helping
himself was easy. He always did the requisate work required on
the pricetag of all his pleasures, whether in labor or guilt. It
was as though all changes in him were mere choice based on
balanced options. Pain meaning no more than pleasure. Most of
the time. Like the ass.
"How?" This, a question seemingly understood and answered
for the rest of the world, was a complete mystery for Will.
This, the constant thought of those alive, and the forgotten
cairn created by the bodies of those lost. So many possibilities
tried and trampled, so many ways wasted. "Who was to know if
what one did mattered, one iota. Who to create this life for
but me. Stand up and be heard, and explain to me that your story
is better and I shall follow you!" Will suddenly screamed at the
top of his lungs. His long search through field and stream,
consciousness and dream, had yeilded no better topic than himself
till now, and didn't show signs of changing soon. He felt lost
in an ocean of fish with no school to swim with. The feeling of
dread at having learned too much jolted him to attention, to
bring him back to cling on the edge, as though he had almost
slipped once again.
"What?" Society had given him no answers, it had only
defined the limits of his freedom. To be free from that is a
gift worth giving. Limits on all sides, growing daily, due to
the size of the planet and the desire created by indoctrinated
ebbs and flows in crowds that still seemed to make men blind to
the fact that the need to breed was destroying the freedom of
everyone. Two people's greatest way of joining souls in a free
and mutually chosen act was the cause of the rest of their
entrappment. Orgasm, for most people, is the greatest physical
experience one can live through. Though one can add to the
experience, the basic experience occurs because of one particular
appendage of our Being. To call it appendage had always seemed
odd to Will, yet it fit. I extend my appendage to/with its
apporpriate other and share what the appendage is a part of. All
more detailed explanation attepts had failed in being bent from
the basic. So why when orgasm can be shared without relative
danger do people still fail to protect themselves? Why do we
need more people? Do we fail that rapidly now in raising our
children to be successful? We can test so quickly and label so
efficiently that people are never truly more than their labels,
to say the phrase, "Well I'm only human." didn't make sense
anymore. People who listened were helpless in a see of causes
and coincidences that they happily accepted as normality. People
who supposedly heard listened patiently, or tried another method
which only faded into the past. Individual's died understanding,
but failed in the final attempt to explain their way, for most
cared not and continued in the old ways, for progress was a
feature defined quite easily by society. Or so it seemed.
Will thought. "Everything balances in the end. Why should
not I?"
bird
"Freedom is attainable by man, but the conditions must be
right for his learning what freedom really is. I have learned
due to my learned freedom, but so many people have no elbow room
in which to gain this level of understanding. How can I die in a
useful way having learned to be free and not died? Society does
not entertain freedom, as it fosters the ego rather than the
self. I must aid in some way of providing physical space and/or
mental space for others to be free within society. How can I do
this?"
Yogis who attain, leave their body. This is a physical
control of their bodies and thus the result of a conscious choice
made earlier in their lives. It is not an act in the common
sense. Death as an act can only be called a suicide, and whether
the act is labeled by some as maturation, or by others as
accident, the death is free and thus as much a part of the life
as any other act. Chaos has risks. Increased chaos increased
risks. To choose a life path sets a goal, and a path which can
be called an act, but which isn't. A true act has an immediate
result. Thought is the most active act. It just happens, cause
and effect as one. End and means together. Thought to motion is
attempted exchange with other or Other through other. To end
life, as act is step above thought, for it is beyond thought. It
is the end of analysis, and the true becoming of oneness with all
that is. To be alive is to analyze the past in the present and
failed attempts at responding to reality attempting to balance.
To be dead is to be at last a completed part of Being.
"Which do I prefer?" Will asked himself casually, realizing
the foundational importantance of his decision. "The life of
contemplation leads to death as much as the life of slavery. I
guess its just a matter of delay."
"What is afterdeath?"
"Am I finished?"
(A Thought: A man's greatest fear lies not in
finding out that he's been doing the wrong
thing but in finding out that whatever he
does or has done is completely meaningless.
To hide, he will go to the ends of the earth
searching, hoping to find one glimmer of
serious truth, and finding that the only
truth is that he is solely responsible for
the situation(s) that he's involved in, and
all truth surrounding. The resulting sense
of power mixed with dread leaves the searcher
desiring to practically lie to himself in
order to just float along for awhile. Again.
Inevitably returning to the edge of the chasm
to ponder again.
8/13/84 4:28 am)
"No." It seemed it was to be Will's latest day, not yet to
be his last.
With much thanks and wishes of direction and love,
Steve Genders
cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
P.S. Have you ever read a book called "Flow" by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi?
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Topic No. 5
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 15:20 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: creation continued
Message-ID: <19080094152008@HUJIVMS>
Hi Gerardus and all,
To Gerardus and his joyful sharing
Gerardus:
>Now, as soon as we discover a Gulf between what we portray as a
character and what we truly are, we have choices, millions of them!
My choice is to be what I am as Gerardus for Gerardus is happy!
Gerardus, your writings are truly joyful. It's nice that you share
your joy with others. We are here to creatively transform the world
and happiness is a result of moving toward that aim. I think your
happiness comes from your sharing.
___________________________
>Gerardus:
Gerardus, has left the view point from where/which most people look!
Looking from below one sees lack! Looking from the top one sees that
All is Well.
It is not enough to see the beauty and grandeur of creation.
All is not well. Suffering and misery are here whether we admit to
seeing them or not. Perhaps you have the privileges that make it
easy to be content. What about the millions who don't and who belong
to our same universal soul? Blinding ourselves to reality does not
change reality.
______________________________
Gerardus:
>Since Consciousness (or God) is the Source of Thought, it is
therefore the Source of Creation for Thinking is Creating! Since
there is no limit to the diversity of Thought, there is no limit to
the diversity of Creation.
>The physical reality of planet Earth is but one of the many
Creations of Consciousness and it is a very special realm, for within
this region the Creators or Thinkers who live there and have their
being, are responsible for their environment. Few do know this and
many live in an illusionary State of Mind for they are not aware that
they are the very Creators of their own circumstances.
>I agree that we should try to help the people of the world to create
a better and more refined Physical Reality...
Seems that we agree on the above. There is no limit to creativity
and no limit to our choices. Since we create the world we live in, is
it not our responsibility to make it the best world it can be?
_________________________________________________
Gerardus:
>My Game is a Free Flowing Flight of the Alone to the Alone!
And I know that I have already arrived...!
Gerardus, you are not alone in this world. We are all part of the
universal soul, all affecting each other. You have not realized your
potential any more than the rest of us. I'm sure your writings make
a lot of people feel better, but only temporarily. Since you agree
that we are here to help create a better physical reality why not
help? Why not use your joyful creative talent to make a permanent
difference?
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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Topic No. 6
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 16:36 +0300
From: af060@freenet.buffalo.edu (Suzanne Toomey Spinks)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: RE: Cosmic Cookies - 003
Message-ID: <19080094163647@HUJIVMS>
Gerardus, I have been reading, thinking, reflecting and smiling a lot.
You have a wonderful way with words and a playfulness that I appreciate.
My conclusion is, be who we are. who else can we be? Strive and live.
Be as much as we can be. Follow the path we are on. Be mindful.
Cheers. Suzanne]
--
Drop a Pebble on the Beach and Shake a Star
Suzanne Toomey Spinks, Buffalo NY USA
Planet Earth
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Topic No. 7
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 17:46 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: creation continued
Message-ID: <19080094174659@HUJIVMS>
Mike:
I have heard enough drumming to the beatles the universal rubber (or
plastic) soul. I egg you on to the white albumin - watch that salt.
Yeah, it might preserve us.
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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MOCHIN Digest 83
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Brine / brain
by koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
2) Creation will NEVER end...!
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
3) Re: creation continued (Jan's response)
by Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
4) Re: Freedom for the suffering is a frame of mind.
by Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 94 22:28 +0300
From: koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Brine / brain
Message-ID: <20080094222849@HUJIVMS>
> I have heard enough drumming to the beatles the universal rubber (or
> plastic) soul. I egg you on to the white albumin - watch that salt.
>
> Yeah, it might preserve us.
Sardonically, a pinch will spice the soup, a lot preserves or melts
into the electrolyte saturation insisted by the subconscious wrongs
learned by parents drunk in the advise of social disorder passed to
the next generation unwarily. Compassion and worth shoulder in the
value system of time immemorial across generations through love not
always reflected in the decibels of noise submersing us in hopeless
and uncharitable wanton orders of deceptive tongues lashing beliefs
that requires trust within impervious to the seed of despair forced
upon the victimized of victims bringing hope through the immaterial
deception schooled in waves with ebb, flow, peak and trough against
the source, decieving reflections and apertures seen as ghosts upon
this dispersive web of lies, spoken messages vaporous as the media.
Mike Koopman internet: koopman@ctc.com phone: +1-814-269-2637
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Topic No. 2
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 94 22:36 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation will NEVER end...!
Message-ID: <20080094223629@HUJIVMS>
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
To One and All...
To Jan and her seriousness...
Gerardus here: Happiness in Form! I am that fluffy little cloud in a sky of
Seriousness. I am the clown of the world and the Joker of the Universe... For I
am Free! Free to write... free to spit in the air and duck just before it lands
behind my glasses. I am the One I AM! Creativity in Flesh, composing and
creating words of welcome to the worlds of the Enlightened! However, one must
be ready to accept responsibility and the sincerity of spirit minus Seriousness.
For Seriousness and Ambition are the two greatest enemies of mankind. They eat
him before he knows it! These are the two great sores that cover his eyes.
They blind him and makes him suffer! Knowing that; makes Life an Infinite
Celebration of the Creator living in Man... fooling around for he is Free! Free
to be Gerardus... Free to be Jan... and Free to be a world of parishioners
believing that they are rational beings made out of clay... with a little bit of
spirit here or there to give them personality...
Well, well, what's going on Gerardus? Your great duties are calling you, please
get your ascended spirit (or ass-ended spirit) in gear and get the show on the
road. The entire Mochin Universe is waiting for your wonderful words of
whispering weirdness... quit your clowning around and become real...
Ha ha, Real!? What a laugh this Realness really is! For all Things are Real
and are Not Real... to disappear in the Nopes of Nothingness, to be forever
remembered by the Mind of Man, the Infinite Creator in Form! The only One who
IS! Man the Infinite! The true Manifestation of the One never seen, never
truly heard of, except for the whispering willows along the crooked creeks full
of cozy crocuses neighbored by the rings of the greenest grass on which the
angels play by moonlight in bliss, for they are the Helpers of the Gods with the
Grandeur or Goodness teaching the world of man by means of the dreams they can't
remember...
Now! Back to the juggling of words and the "who says what script", that in the
end already has been determined to be nothing else but an enlightened
game of semantics to be enjoyed for the sake of learning... for them that can
but read and smile... for they have been touched within the Silence of their
Heart beating the drums of delight, for they know so well that all of them are
Gods in the Making by means of Time and Space, the realness of their Dreams that
are their Illusions...
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Jan: >> Gerardus, your writings are truly joyful. It's nice that you share
your joy with others. We are here to creatively transform the world
and happiness is a result of moving toward that aim. I think your
happiness comes from your sharing. <<
Gerardus: Thank you Jan! Naturally my writings are truly joyful, for I am
the very Creator in physical form sharing its abundance of plentiness. The
trick however is; to be able to receive it graciously, knowing that by being who
and what we are; the Spirit of Creation is jubilant!
The world is a school and we all PASS THROUGH it with different speeds and
in different times! Which means that some of us are able to enjoy our
"Creatorship" for we have reached a certain grade while others are still
struggling with the alphabets of suffering and disease. For all of us start out
in grade one in an unconscious state of being. This very school is the alarm
clock of the sleeping Creator and gives "IT" the opportunity to awaken to its
own innate Greatness.
This means that whoever is in grade one cannot really be helped or pulled up
into the higher grades until they have learned their lessons and have "earned"
as you call it Jan, to relax a bit more and become a Gerardus tainted by
Joyfulness and Poetic Utterances of Greatness. Well, at least HE thinks so as
well as some others. (Thank you Suzanne)
To think and feel that one is great is very important for it is the very
Spirit one must have to slowly sneak up to full enlightenment and surprise it!
For nobody will be annnouced by the world that he has reached it or had splendid
thoughts for that matter. So, while I have them, I enjoy them, share them and
please do the same as I do, have an inner smile and whimper niceties to the
Force within. Be my guest, spoil yourself, you are the Creator enjoying itself.
Don't under-do it one bit!
And then you say Jan: >> It is not enough to see the beauty and grandeur of
creation. All is not well. Suffering and misery are here whether we admit to
seeing them or not. Perhaps you have the privileges that make it easy to be
content. What about the millions who don't and who belong to our same universal
soul? Blinding ourselves to reality does not change reality. <<
Gerardus: I am not blind Jan. I just don't focus on it. At my age there
is little else I can do but please myself and a few others who are capable of
understanding a bit of my Metaphysical Malarkey mixed with a snore of delight to
create within them the "discernment" to see what can be done and what they might
feel like doing.... or not! Simply put - it's like this: does my heart suffer
because I have a sore toe? Does my spirit suffer because it know that my
neighbor is learning the things I learned? It all means that I am *alive and
know* that I cannot change the things I cannot change at this moment.
You mean Jan that there is something wrong with the school we are in? What
do you really mean by "All is not well"?? Are not all of us learning as fast as
we can? Are not all of us doing what we are best at? Is not suffering an
aspect of our learning until we have learned to learn without suffering?
Naturally there is suffering and misery, it's supposed to be there! Compared to
other planets and their greatness, the Earth is but a slimeball of Crime and
Deception. The people living on these planets see ALL of us as sufferers!
Including the entire Mochin Network. Look at them they say; look at these guys
suffering! How can we help them? And you know, by the millions people of these
planets volunteered and... here we are! The Mochin Network, Jan, David,
Michael, Suzanne and all the other folks followed by Gerardus. Talking and
writing! What the dickens is HE writing for? Why doesn't he join something?
What's the matter with all these people, don't they know that they are the
Greatest of them ALL and ought to help their suffering brothers?
Ha ha, certainly they know! But they also know that the entire Universe is a
Game! An Infinite Game of Growth, of evolutionary changes and greatness. Again
and again. We cannot take people out of great one and put them in grade four by
giving them a house of plenty! This is a reasoning made by a Mind influenced by
the God of the Heart.
Now! How can we help the suffering. Gave them plenty of all things? Now? How?
Give them bread, cookies and wine? Tell me Jan, what and how do you help the
sufferers? Loud and clear, spell it out. How do YOU help them???
Don't you think that our very thoughts and efforts are not a part of their
Consciousness already? Why don't they pick it up and quit their suffering?
Please tell me Jan; Why did your "HeGod in Bliss" create these sufferers?
We are all here because we are the very Infinite Creator who in its Unconscious
Dream lost itself and by doing this; this very Unconscious Creator slowly but
surely becomes CONSCIOUS in and as Mankind. There is but one way for this
Creator to become Conscious and that is the way it is being done as you and I
see all around us. With suffering and with joy, with pain and with pleasure,
with effort and with laziness. For all things are the very lessons by which we
become "consciously aware" that we are this very Creator! This suffering is
the lesson to awaken from our unconsciousness.
It silently is asking us: "why am I here?" - to be remembered vaguely by the
time we are ready to return to learn some more.
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Jan: >> Since we create the world we live in, is it not our responsibility to
make it the best world it can be?
Gerardus: Naturally it is Jan. The question is HOW? By writing more? By
writing LESS? By doing WHAT? Spell it out Jan...
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Jan: >> You have not realized your potential any more than the rest of us. <<
Gerardus: Naturally I have not Jan... and I never will! For my potential
is INFINITE! That means I will never reach it! And as soon as I do... I will
be truly finished!! Perfection is a Static State! The Enjoyment of the
Conscious Creator is the Game it plays in me and through Me!
The writing, the football game, the girlfriend, the sadness of losing a friend,
the living in the moment, the learning of Truth and its infinite becoming, the
Greatness of being Man! All THIS is the Enjoyment or Bliss or whatever you want
to call it. Life is THE Thing! And only when one is ready to enjoy the moment
is it possible to go and reach for the enjoyment of the next.
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Jan: >> I'm sure your writings make lot of people feel better, but only
temporarily. <<
Gerardus: How nice of you to say this Jan! How absolutely marvelous that I,
this infinitesimal smallness in Creatorship, have made feel people better
temporarily!!! To me Jan, that is Greatness applied! The people's Greatness!
And all this while I'm only uttering words. My words... yes. But the people
who feel better are the ones who are proving to themselves that they have
reached a "State of Heart" that tells them: I am the Same! I am this Greatness!
I am the Infinite! Don't you think that that is THEIR accomplishment and not
mine? If they feel better, even temporarily, is not my doing! It's theirs!
To all who read this my God Within says: ! "I" am your Equal in Spirit and
Freedom and "I" have given all of you the freedom to be a Creator with infinite
potential. Go to it! Your gift is ready... use it well !
The point is; we are all learning! Learning as fast as we can.
----------------------------------------------------
Jan: >> Since you agree that we are here to help create a better physical
reality why not help? Why not use your joyful creative talent to make a
permanent difference? <<
Gerardus: ... to make a permanent difference... ??? Hmmm? Whatever I do,
or not do, --> IS <-- the very permanent difference! And also Jan, my very
"temporary" making people feel better is a permanent change in them. For they
have been touched by their God Within. That is the Greatness that feels better
- not their good looking faces or their beautiful legs...
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Life is the Enjoyment of the Moment
for all Moments are infinitely arranged
along the Shores of Eternity
upon which we walk and wonder
about some kind of Greatness we do not know.
While all along this very Greatness
is leaving its footsteps
upon the smiles of our lips
and within the glimmer in our Hearts.
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Well now? Another poem!
Upon the spur of the moment.
I think it is beautiful!
Thank you my Gods and Equals...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 3
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 94 0:16 +0300
From: Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: creation continued (Jan's response)
Message-ID: <21080094001617@HUJIVMS>
Jan,
Not trying to cut you down, but what if, the other parts of our
universal soul fill out some continuum which has to stay the way it is so
that we, who can see, can be, and those who have not seen, can learn?
(Just a thought.)
Steve Genders
cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Potential is the illusion created by a selfish need to continue
being attached to the world. Freedom is the elimination of potential
through detached action creating everything. Potentials must be found,
freedom is THE inactive act. (Just an additional thought.)
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Topic No. 4
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 94 0:20 +0300
From: Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Freedom for the suffering is a frame of mind.
Message-ID: <21080094002039@HUJIVMS>
hail jan (the pensive) and Gerardus (Jokerus Maximinimus):
Having read Gerardus' last post, I was reminded of the Indian
people (the real Indian people). They are seen by many in our cushy
world as being some of the greatest sufferers and thus in need of the
greatest help. However, if one reads their religious epic (something
like 8-10 times the size of our bible. No I have not read it.) or at
least the Baghavad Gita, one would find out that they think in such a way
that their suffering is a crown and something to be triumphed over. Now
this may be all and good for them, you say, what about our people here.
We should realize that the suffering poor here have been put there by a
society of controllers (Read "Grand Inquisitor" chapter in Dostoyevsky's
"The Brother's Karamazov" or check into the Mason's- what you can that
is. Also read about the sons of Abraham in the Bible, one was the son of
a servant and one was to inheret the earth.). As it is, the world is not
a bad place to grow in, and death and destruction add a little spice to
life, but only if you are watching it. All other's are ignorant and
merely accept it. Learn to remember your innocence and just accept.
Anyone with a will can make their world a better place, but only for
themselves. I've been spreading the gospel of clarity for several years
now, and manyas Nicolson said in that movie, "can't handle the truth."
Methods like this are best, for people come here with an open
mind. There are some who aren't, but they come away from the experience
more themselves, and that's all we (at least I) try to teach. In the
Bible, somewhere, Jesus (I think) said "Love thy Neighbor as thyself."
This has been a much debated statement and the cause of some great and a
few minor ethical systems, but I see it as meaning nothing more as give
the other the oportunity to learn the same way you did, one day at a time.
Nuff said fer now. Hail Gerardus and Mike and Jan and ever other
seeker, finder, and teacher.
Love (It's not just a word, it's an adventure),
Steve Genders
Buddhist saying: When one is ready to learn, the teacher appears.
Thank you all.
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MOCHIN Digest 84
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Frame of mind.
by koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
2) All Voices are Welcome to Speak...!
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
3) Frame of Mind.
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
4) Re: Frame of mind.
by "John N. Phillips" <jackphil@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
5) Frames of Minds - Minds in Frames.
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 94 4:09 +0300
From: koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Frame of mind.
Message-ID: <21080094040902@HUJIVMS>
What is there that can prove, whether we are manipulations of advanced
overseers of Geradus Maximinimus skirtish UFology or not, a difference
in the activities of homo sapiens and the communal instincts of animal
groups, even those as simple as bees? Our intelligence is a tool that
we use in our synthetic environments like royal jelly of the queen bee
establishing the leaders of the Brave New World. Tongues tied to make
the brotherhood, clan, state, or nation a closed cell knit like fabric
weaves. How be the management of such concerns any greater than dance
of the workers?
Highly complex symbolic patterns, perceptual cues of innate character,
and the capability to communicate such expressions elevates our nature
no higher than a spiral dance flight of drones and virgin queen before
the alienation of the sweat of brows, like honey conducting baby milk.
Skimming the creamy satisfaction from ubiquitous phoney work well done
is more cognitive or greater than buzzing or fliting to gather pollen?
Where is the difference? Complex communication proves magnificence of
the species? or, for the prejudiced, some 'master' race? Because the
past generations believe that venerated souls expressed proper laws or
created correct assignments of wealth, we are better than insects? In
what way are we right to feel better than another for such acts? This
proves greatness, achievements and glory? Then venerate insect homes.
Mike Koopman internet: koopman@ctc.com phone: +1-814-269-2637
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Topic No. 2
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 94 19:13 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: All Voices are Welcome to Speak...!
Message-ID: <21080094191330@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
Greetings to Steve Genders...
In the last post from Steve (also the first one that I know of, but then I am a
lot dumber than I am enlightened) I read the following:
Steve: >> Learn to remember your innocence and just accept. Anyone with a will
can make their world a better place, but only for themselves. I've been
spreading the gospel of clarity for several years now, and manyas Nicolson said
in that movie, "can't handle the truth." <<
Gerardus: Most (possibly not Anyone) people with a will can make the world
a better place, but only for themselves indeed. Sometimes people are so deep
into the trouble bag that there is hardly any room to move. For reasons that
escape most of us, they are born to a life of suffering for sure. But then,
that is the way WE look at it. Possibly if you would ask them: are you happy to
be alive, most of them likely answer in the affirmative. For others like
ourselves, some lifetimes are indeed the pits. But then, what do we know? For
reasons, universally figured out to the Nth, I feel that All of Us are exactly
in the right place...
Anyway, I have eeennnooouuuggghh FAITH in the universe I live in, to know that
indeed All is Well. This does not mean naturally that all of us can sit on our
asc(s)ended particulars and gloat. The very NATURE of an older Soul is trying
to help any place it sees fit. So if you're so inclined, get your spirit in
gear and get crackling! (Do spirits crackle?)
---------------------------
Steve: >> However, if one reads their religious epic (something like 8-10 times
the size of our bible. <<
Gerardus: Well yes, but the size of any religious epic (of whatever type
discipline or cult) only indicates that there are a lot of words spilled in
order to say next to nothing in many cases and make it difficult to follow with
the consequential need for interpreters with power syndromes. The Truth is very
simple! Indeed - Love they neighbor as thou self! It is just so darn hard to
follow and stick to it. Our egotistical "think we know better" stuff slows us
down a lot as well as others. For let's be honest; there are a hell of a lot
more followers than originals!
So beware - all followers have surrendered their power to the one they follow.
In my view it is better to stumble a hundred time on your own than to follow
someone else and do it right to first time. That does not mean however that one
could not use and evaluate someone's advice and/or guidance.
Life is YOUR experience! It is YOUR discovery! It is YOUR Universe!
! For you created it !
To see that this is so, is the silent drive within each and every one of us.
So, go in peace and have an ice cream soda!
================================================
>From another post from Steve...:
Steve: >> ... but what if, the other parts of our universal soul fill out some
continuum which has to stay the way it is so that we, who can see, can be, and
those who have not seen, can learn?
Gerardus: Yes, this is the same as: All is Well in the World!
Good "(Just a thought)" Steve.
---------------------------------------------------
Steve: >> Potential is the illusion created by a selfish need to continue
being attached to the world. Freedom is the elimination of potential
through detached action creating everything. Potentials must be found,
freedom is THE inactive act.
Gerardus: Potential in the wordly sense - Yes! However, potential is a lot
more than a wordly thing or accomplishment.
Would not this sound or feel a bit better Steve? ---> Freedom is the
elimination of NEED through detached action creating everything.
And indeed! Freedom is THE inactive act. It is like Not-Doing or just
Being. This naturally includes Non Being. For all of us are and aint!
By all means Steve - Keep thinking!
=========================================
Good to see some Steve-words on my screen...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 3
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 94 19:22 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Frame of Mind.
Message-ID: <21080094192244@HUJIVMS>
To One and ALL...
To Michael - the Intelligent...
First of all, since I am a lot dumber than enlightened, I sometimes have a bit
of trouble getting the point of Michael's posts. Nevertheless, I would like to
offer my humble and dumb comments on this post Michael...
Whatever there is to prove is something that is up to US to figure out. Having
said that, and the above, I feel that the tiny little word of FREEDOM is the
clue of all the debates, statements and/or questions.
One could be feeling free, yet be manipulated for a million lifetimes. True
freedom sees and knows the difference between Freedom and camouflaged
Manipulation. However if you're not able to see it, it does not bother you for
you belong to the rest of the No See'ers. That does not mean however that you
are Free! It is just that you have not discovered the prison!
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Michael: Our intelligence is a tool that we use in our synthetic environments
like royal jelly of the queen bee establishing the leaders of the Brave New
World. <<
Gerardus: Intelligence and synthetic are words that belong to the world of
the masses and especially the ones who are educated. These words however do not
have any meaning, for me and to me, in a universal sense or Spiritual Sense.
Intelligence in many cases I find to be a stumbling block to true
"understanding". Especially the Realms of the Spiritual or at least the
"Knowingness" that is possible to gain by Intuitive means. It seems to me that
sometimes intelligence blocks intuition! I do not feel that we could use the
words "intelligence" and "synthetic" to describe or explain the Universal Dance.
The Dance is the Miracle of the Universe...
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Michael: >> How be the management of such concerns any greater than dance
of the workers? <<
I do not feel that "anything" is any greater or smaller than any thing else!
Al THINGS are the Dance! However, some dances are but grimaces of distorted
behavior or the exercise of taught movements. The Dance of Life
naturally includes any grimace or movement, but that does not make them gracious
outlets of Joy, Pleasure or Love. It makes them synthetic and possibly
intelligent.
----------------------------------------
Michael: >> Highly complex symbolic patterns, perceptual cues of innate
character, and the capability to communicate such expressions elevates our
nature no higher than a spiral dance flight of drones and virgin queen before
the alienation of the sweat of brows, like honey conducting baby milk.
Skimming the creamy satisfaction from ubiquitous phoney work well done
is more cognitive or greater than buzzing or fliting to gather pollen?
Where is the difference?
----------------------------------------------------
There is none! For all of it is the same and Only Creator expressing itself
in a diversity of Life and Joyfulness. It expresses itself however in different
levels of understanding. This is not to say that Man is more understanding than
bees or butterflies, far from it at the moment. But once one gets the total
picture in view, one knows that we are here to discover Who created Who and why?
And especially when one understands, one knows: that All is One... and that we
are the bees and the butterflies... and Man all simultaneously! But that at
this moment we see things from a limited point of view, in which we are asking:
Who is better or more intelligent and what is the difference?
There is no reason then to feel better about ourselves than we ought to feel for
bees, butterflies and/or viruses for that matter. The dance is unlimited and the
omission of but one aspect would collapse the universe! For is would be a
learned or distorted movement... and also unintelligent!
Thank you Michael for giving my views to your excellent points!
Note! At one time I fell asleep and dreamt that I was a butterfly seeing my
self sleeping in the grass. From then on in, I didn't know whether I was the
butterfly or the sleeper. Possibly I have to wait until I truly awaken to
discover who I really am...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 4
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 94 19:29 +0300
From: "John N. Phillips" <jackphil@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Frame of mind.
Message-ID: <21080094192916@HUJIVMS>
In message <21080094040902@HUJIVMS> writes:
> What is there that can prove, whether we are manipulations of advanced
> overseers of Geradus Maximinimus skirtish UFology or not, a difference
> in the activities of homo sapiens and the communal instincts of animal
> groups, even those as simple as bees? Our intelligence is a tool that
> we use in our synthetic environments like royal jelly of the queen bee
> establishing the leaders of the Brave New World. Tongues tied to make
> the brotherhood, clan, state, or nation a closed cell knit like fabric
> weaves. How be the management of such concerns any greater than dance
> of the workers?
>
> Highly complex symbolic patterns, perceptual cues of innate character,
> and the capability to communicate such expressions elevates our nature
> no higher than a spiral dance flight of drones and virgin queen before
> the alienation of the sweat of brows, like honey conducting baby milk.
> Skimming the creamy satisfaction from ubiquitous phoney work well done
> is more cognitive or greater than buzzing or fliting to gather pollen?
>
> Where is the difference? Complex communication proves magnificence of
> the species? or, for the prejudiced, some 'master' race? Because the
> past generations believe that venerated souls expressed proper laws or
> created correct assignments of wealth, we are better than insects? In
> what way are we right to feel better than another for such acts? This
> proves greatness, achievements and glory? Then venerate insect homes.
>
> Mike Koopman internet: koopman@ctc.com phone: +1-814-269-2637
>
Mike, you ask "Where is the difference?" and "Are we better than insects?" But
the answers are so easy and obvious. (1) WE can LEARN. Bees have one so-called
dance, which they neither learn nor invent, but inherit genetically. WE can
learn and invent dances endlessly. (2) We study and figure out the bees' dance.
We write sceientfic papers about it. Bees don't, can't study their own dance or
exlain it, or study us or our dances. They seem oblivious to anything but the
blossoms and hives they are programmed to act upon. WE are not oblivious, but
observe, study, and EXPLAIN innumerable diverse phenomena, including the bees
and the ants. We ask questions like yours, and argue and clarify claims like the
ones you are making. No other species on Earth can participate in this dialog or
enterprise of research, criticism, revision, and the advancemnent of knowledge.
(3) Isn't all this a DIFFERENCE? If you don't think it's BETTER to be
aware and to understand and to critically reflect and question than to be a
ritualistic sleep walker like bees, then you might as well go back to oblivion
by way of sleep or alcoholic drunkenness. But of course you don't do that,
because you know it is better to be aware and to understand and to be able to
criticize and modify beliefs and institutions.
(4) Presumably you see a difference between an illiterate, uneducated
person and a highly educated person, and agree with almost everyone that it is
BETTER to be literate and well educated. Isn't the difference between insects
and humans even more obvious? Of course, if you really want to deny the value
of being educated and of not being illiterate, you become a hard case. But to
defend these values is not difficult; It's just not usually necessary.
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Topic No. 5
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 94 22:22 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Frames of Minds - Minds in Frames.
Message-ID: <21080094222224@HUJIVMS>
To One and ALL...
To John N. Phillips... Hello John!
In John's post I read:
John: >> If you don't think it's BETTER to be aware and to understand and to
critically reflect and question than to be a ritualistic sleep walker like bees,
then you might as well go back to oblivion by way of sleep or alcoholic
drunkenness. <<
Gerardus: Well, I know what you mean John, but I was a bee a long time ago
and I'm kind of wondering why you rate bees so low on the Totem Pole of Being.
Don't forget, bees possibly have been here a lot longer than we have and you
know: maybe bees have found a perfect way of showing and serving the rest of
creation. They possibly are too wise to ask questions and just share whatever
they are best at by producing lots of honey either for themselves or for others.
And who knows? Maybe bees are talking about flowers in the same sense as I
speak about bees. For all flowers are serving bees! And Mankind... and the
occasional black bear with a snout full of honey. It's good stuff... I use it
every day. No wonder I stick up for bees!
Come to think of it... who serves the flowers? Mother Earth? And where does
Mother Earth come from? Anyway, I'm getting lost in a Universe I seem to know
very little about.... again!
Going to have another coffee with honey and think about bees...
It keeps me grounded and kind of wondering.....?.?..?
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 85
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) love thy neighbor as thyself
by i love therefore i am <X1B157@VM.BIU.AC.IL>
2) Bees and their Dance....?!?
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
3) Bee-Group-Soul
by Ricardo Ben-Safed <rbensafe@cap.gwu.edu>
4) Re: love thy neighbor as thyself
by Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
5) Re: Frame of mind.
by af060@freenet.buffalo.edu (Suzanne Toomey Spinks)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 2:11 +0300
From: i love therefore i am <X1B157@VM.BIU.AC.IL>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: love thy neighbor as thyself
Message-ID: <22080094021132@HUJIVMS>
Greetings!
Steve: minor correction, it was Rabbi Akiva who said "love thy neighbor as
thyself."
ShellY
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Topic No. 2
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 2:14 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Bees and their Dance....?!?
Message-ID: <22080094021404@HUJIVMS>
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
To One and All
To the Bees and their Dance...
Guess what, I'm reading this post again see, and all of a sudden I've got to
answer. I had to, for sometimes I have a bee in my bonnet and it bugs me a lot.
As a matter of fact, one of them bees is bugging me right now and I'll tell you
why. It's all because of this Bee-Dance....
Here is what I read:
>> Bees have one so-called dance, which they neither learn nor invent, but
inherit genetically. <<
Gerardus: Now, things like that makes me wonder a lot...
---> "inherit genetically" <---
It sounds as if it is some kind of an excuse or something. Ever wondered who
put these genes there? It also sounds as if bees are kind of automatic beings
and do whatever their genes tell them to do. How do they listen to them genes?
Do they listen in English or Dutch? Maybe it's a code like we use for email
messages? Or Japanese maybe...?
Anyway, I feel that there is some kind of Bee-Group-Soul and this Group-Soul is
to the bees what our Soul is to us. It speaks to us a lot and if we're not too
busy we can hear it. However, bees are awfully busy and I'm not sure whether
this Group-Soul ever gets through to them... It must though!
I also feel that it is our Soul or Higher Self who was responsible for our
physical existence in this world and that because of this physical existence
this Soul of ours learns something about itself and/or creation that never
existed before and never will again! Funny thought isn't it?
I wonder what this Bee-Group-Soul is learning? Would it learn about genes?
Maybe though, this Bee-Group-Soul is an aspect of our own Soul and they "buzz"
within the same Soul-Continuum in order to serve us with honey and questions.
The first naturally is to feed us physically and the latter is to feed us
mentally or spiritually. Interesting animals these bees! They like flowers a
lot and flowers like them! These bees with all their legs tickle the flowers
and no doubt they pick up some pollen to deposit it unto the next one. Flowers
like other flowers' pollen. It keeps them laughing...
Yeah, the flowers serve the bees with honey, the bees serve us, we serve our
Soul, our Soul serves God and God serves all of us by creating honey-bees!
Hmmm??
Funny world we live in! I don't think though that all this is just because of
genes. Anyway, I feel that my genes have very little to do with what I am and
do! At the most they give me a certain inclination, but the Thing that makes me
think about bees a lot is my Spirit or Consciousness. It's a hell of a lively
Thing! It is neither male nor female either... I think it's mostly child!
With Baby Genes no doubt!
On the other hand I think it is a God on its own. Exploring a thing called
Creation. Wouldn't it be a surprise if this Creation and my Consciousness and
my genes and all of us are all ONE THING in the first place and we have put
ourselves in a position that fools us a lot. Like believing that there are many
of us... as many as bees maybe... or as many as genes... Hmm? But in actuality
naturally, we are the Queen Bee.. sorry, the Creator of it all!
Yeah, that reminds me of this dream: At one time I fell asleep in a meadow and I
dreamt that I was a bee. As this bee, I see my body laying down there and from
then on in I don't know whether I'm a person or a bee. Maybe I'm a
bee-like-person with a Consciousness that has limited itself, thinking that I am
a bee but in actuality I am a Human Being. And as this Human Beings I dream
that I am God who has limited itself to be Human for a while. Hmmm??
The whole thing reminds me of a recycling Bee-Dream. Anyway, I still have this
bee in my bonnet. Any suggestions how to get rid of it? Or should I just leave
it there to keep me awake? Maybe this bonnet-bee is driving me crazy and I
experience it as Joyfulness...? Must be genes!!
Light... Love... and Laughter! Genes (Alias Gerardus)
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Topic No. 3
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 13:05 +0300
From: Ricardo Ben-Safed <rbensafe@cap.gwu.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Bee-Group-Soul
Message-ID: <22080094130548@HUJIVMS>
Just a comment! The other day I had a bottle of Elliott's Ice tea, and
when I took off the top (a screw lid!) I discovered this quote inside
the lid.
"It's not that Bees are so busy, its that they don't know
how to buzz any slower" -Anonymous (a very prolific writer)
The speed of the buzz may have more to do with humans ability to
focus and listen! Somehow this all seemed related,but I'm not
sure how!
b'shalom, -Ricardo
"The present is not fugitive and transient,but continually present
and enduring." Martin Buber, "I & Thou"
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Ricardo Ben-Safed: email: rbensafe@cap.gwu.edu
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Topic No. 4
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 13:07 +0300
From: Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: love thy neighbor as thyself
Message-ID: <22080094130745@HUJIVMS>
>
> Greetings!
>
> Steve: minor correction, it was Rabbi Akiva who said "love thy neighbor as
> thyself."
>
> ShellY
>
actually shelly, I think many people have said it or suggested it.
See "Enlightened Solipsism" in "5000 B.C. and other Philisophicla
Fantasies" by Raymond Smullyan for a full development and argument
comparing eastern and western views.
Just trying to add to the massive amounts of mystery and prevent people
from becoming stuck in one view without comparing.
Love and Gerardus-like laughs and giggles,
Steve Genders
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Topic No. 5
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 2158 +0300 From af060@freenet.buffalo.edu
(Suzanne Toomey Spinks) To mochin@nysernet.ORG Subject Re Frame of mind.
Message-ID <22080094215810@HUJIVMS>
I have to comment here about the sttement Isn't it BETTER to be educated,
literate and intelligent than to be illiterate? etc. I dare say, we had
better look at the sad state of the technical world some "intelligent and
literate" folks have gotten us into. And it is also helpful to study the
"Illiterate" but savy native intelligneces of less technically developed
peoplel in the world who have the ability to know more about healing plants
and natural systems that we "technical" humans have forgotten about. The
natural cooling systems for example aare far quieter, cheaper and put less
of a demand on the planet than technical solutions to cooling that close off
buildings, insulate against air exchange and recirculate diseased air that
gives us the new disease called legionaire's disease. Is this "Better?"
because it is based on "intelligence" and technical "Know How?" How about so
many of our medical "cures" or etiological diseases? caused by being in
contact with hospitals and doctors? The knowledge of the atom brought us the
stomic age, filled with death destruction, Chernobils, Bikini Atols, the
French Marshal Islands where testing has created a toxic legacy and on and
on aand on. Our intelligence has certainly brought us far! But at what
price? Is it fair to say that literacy or illiteracy is BETTER? It is more
to the point to be sure how our knowledge is used and harnesed. For the
selfish improvenents of a few?Sometimes it is better to "NOT" do something.
But try to tell that to the Progress oriented technocrats. Sorry, I am not
impressed with the arguement that knowledge, education, adn literacy are in
and of themselves Better. Sometimes they are destructive and dangerous if in
the wrong hands. Please spare us some of the educated, intelligent people.
Let the less "educated" native talent have a chance to show us what we might
benefit .
-- Drop a Pebble on the Beach and Shake a Star Suzanne Toomey Spinks,
Buffalo NY USA Planet Earth ####
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MOCHIN Digest 86
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Bees and their Dance....?!?
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
2) Bees and their Dance....?!?
by koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
3) Cosmic Cookies - 004
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
4) Wheel Bee rolls
by koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
5) Re: Bees and their Dance....?!?
by af060@freenet.buffalo.edu (Suzanne Toomey Spinks)
6) Frame of Mind.
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
7) Illiteracy is good?
by "John N. Phillips" <jackphil@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
8) Re: Creation will NEVER end...!
by stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
9) creation continued ...
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
10) Illiteracy is good?
by koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
11) Re: Illiteracy is good?
by denni011@gold.tc.umn.edu (Rollin Denniston)
12) Re: Wheel Bee rolls
by denni011@gold.tc.umn.edu (Rollin Denniston)
13) Frame of Mind
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
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Topic No. 1
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 2:02 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Bees and their Dance....?!?
Message-ID: <23080094020218@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Mike and his wannabee...
>> Gerardus you be saying:
> Hmm? But in actuality naturally, we are the Queen Bee.. sorry, the
> Creator of it all!
In horsing around, I whinny, is the one-soul of the bears who get an
occasional snoutful of honey the Grand Pooh-Bear? Inquiring minds
wannabee nose. :-)
Mike Koopman internet: koopman@ctc.com phone: +1-814-269-2637
Gerardus: Well, the Grand Pooh Bear actually was my Grand Father who was
known as a very chillin' chap who translated Maximinimus Minority Miracles into
the presently known Metaphysical Malarkey of Goofie Gerardus. I have seven
hollow trees full of it and all I do is copy it to a missive of great importance
to be "Mochined" and digested by the smiling spirits of modern mankind. (This
modern kind includes women) All of it sounds quite incredible for it is so
simple and straight forward that it does not even baffles the mind of the
silliest simpleton one can think of. This naturally encourages me to keep
spreading it like a mysterious invisible mist to be realized eventually as TIL
at work! (TIL = The Infinite Light)
Glad you asked about this Mike!
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 2
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 1:54 +0300
From: koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Bees and their Dance....?!?
Message-ID: <23080094015452@HUJIVMS>
Geradus you be saying:
> Hmm? But in actuality naturally, we are the Queen Bee.. sorry, the
> Creator of it all!
In horsing around, I whinny, is the one-soul of the bears who get an
occassional snoutful of honey the Grand Pooh-Bear? Inquiring minds
wannabee nose. :-)
Mike Koopman internet: koopman@ctc.com phone: +1-814-269-2637
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Topic No. 3
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 1:35 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Cosmic Cookies - 004
Message-ID: <23080094013531@HUJIVMS>
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
To One and All...
To Mind and Heart...
Cosmic Cookies - 004
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Small Answers to Big Questions -
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WHAT IS LIFE?
Life is the Result of your Thoughts.
Life is the Experience that is created by your Thinking.
Life is the Experience of the Creator living in its Creation.
WHO IS THE CREATOR?
Thought is the Creator.
Your Thoughts manifest themselves and form or create your Life.
The Thoughts of Mankind manifest themselves and form the World.
WHAT IS MANKIND?
Mankind is the Creator or Life Force in a Bodily Form. This Form
on Earth is called... the Human Body... Form... or Vehicle.
IS MANKIND ITS OWN CREATOR?
Yes... Mankind is the Creator living in Human Bodies that are
created by our Higher Selves or The Light Beings. We create and
live in Human Bodies in order to experience our own Creation.
WHAT IS CREATION?
Creation is the Expression of the Creator out of Love for Itself.
The Solar System and the Earth with all its Life is one of these
Expressions. There are millions more of these Systems.
WHO CREATED PLANET EARTH?
We... as Light Beings created the Solar System and Planet Earth.
The Light Beings and the Creator... are One and the same Force.
Mankind on Earth is the Manifestation of these Light Beings or
the Creator. We Are IT!
HOW DID WE BECOME THE MANIFESTATION OF THESE LIGHT BEINGS?
We... as the Light Beings created the Earth and all Life upon it.
Once this was established we created the Human Form and started
to live in it. This way we began to participate in our Physical
Creation. Slowly... we forgot Who or What we really are!
WHY DOESN'T MANKIND RECOGNIZE ITSELF AS THE LIGHT BEINGS?
Mankind on an Individual Basis is in the Process of recognizing
its own Greatness as the Light Beings or the Creator. The full
Recognition and Realization of our Greatness takes a long time.
ARE THERE ANY HUMAN BEINGS WHO RECOGNIZED THEMSELVES UP TO NOW?
Yes... there are! Personalities like Krishna... Buddha and Jesus
the Christ are but a few of the Human Beings who have recognized
themselves as the Life Force or Creator. (I and the Father are
One. Jesus) There are thousands more of these Great Beings.
HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO RECOGNIZE OURSELVES AS LIGHT BEINGS?
Recognition or God Realization is a long drawn out process that
could well take thousands of Lifetimes.
DO WE LIVE MORE THAN ONE LIFETIME?
Yes... every Human Being lives many Lifetimes. It is the only way
to recognize ourselves as the Creator. Each Lifetime is a little
step closer to full Realization.
SUPPOSE WE DO NOT WANT TO LIVE MANY LIFETIMES?
As Light Beings we voluntarily decided to create and live in our
self created Physical Reality. Once we lived as Human Beings we
forget what we originally decided to do. I could also answer this
Question with another Question. Like... did you want to live
this Lifetime? How did you get here? And what for?
ARE PEOPLE BORN NOT KNOWING THAT THEY WANTED TO BE BORN?
Yes... most People do not remember that they wanted to be born in
order to live in their own Creation. We all are Creators! Only
by living in our Creation can we awaken to this Cosmic Truth.
DOES MANKIND LIVE IN SPIRIT FORM AS WELL?
Yes...! Every Human Being who leaves his Body at so called Death
passes over into Spirit Form. This does not mean however that
this Human Being recognizes himself as a Light Being or Creator.
DO WE CYCLE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN PHYSICAL LIFE AND SPIRIT LIFE?
Yes! Until we have reached the Level of the Christ Consciousness
all Human Beings cycle back and forth between these two States.
HOW COME MOST PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THIS?
Most People or the Mass Consciousness is not aware of its own
Greatness. All People are in the Process of Learning this. The
Earth is a Cosmic School for Human Souls.
To be continued Aug. 29/94
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Topic No. 4
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 15:49 +0300
From: koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Wheel Bee rolls
Message-ID: <23080094154924@HUJIVMS>
To Gerardus who wannabe in his bonnet all that bee can bee ...
> Gerardus: Well, the Grand Pooh Bear actually was my Grand Father
Nothing like introducing popular concepts into this forrest of gump.
These trees continue to branch until they are lumbered and converted
to sound wheels which spin upon reel to reel - the cassettes keep
rolling along. The cycles cherubim dug the trench in which rut the
body of the lost wheels spin drying like UFO's alive in the passing
wind of Geradus Laughter!
> This naturally encourages me to keep spreading it like a mysterious
> invisible mist to be realized eventually as TIL at work! (TIL = The
> Infinite Light)
Well I hope you don't trip on that fantastic light apian the way and
get your skull dug in the rut of the cassettes on cherubim road. That
is watch your Pooh'ba, or somebody might kick the Pooh'ba out of you.
(to be accepted into the light of the blond headed girlish giggles of
famous [or, infamous] Gerardus Laughter.)
Mike with them who have come into the Light ... Love... and Laughter!
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Topic No. 5
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 16:09 +0300
From: af060@freenet.buffalo.edu (Suzanne Toomey Spinks)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Bees and their Dance....?!?
Message-ID: <23080094160934@HUJIVMS>
In reply to Gerargus/bee/genes
Let us not forget that the honey bees are one very important link in the
food chain. Especially fruit food chain. there is much worry in the |Agriculture
community when the honey bee population is threatened in any way.
They are essential to fruit tree pollination. It is big business and the
African "killer" bees are being watched to be sure they don't rep;ace
the less aggressive honey bee. There are no insignificant elements on our planet.
WE are all interrelated. To denigrate one small elenent, or to consider it not
important, is to misunderstand the interconnectedness of things. We are so
interdependent. Yet we forget. Be open to this concept.
--
Drop a Pebble on the Beach and Shake a Star
Suzanne Toomey Spinks, Buffalo NY USA
Planet Earth
####
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Topic No. 6
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 15:58 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Frame of Mind.
Message-ID: <23080094155852@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
Hail to Suzanne T. S. ....
Suzanne speaking: >> I dare say, we had better look at the sad state of the
technical world some "intelligent and literate" folks have gotten us into. <<
Gerardus: Yeperooney Yaya (Means: absolutely right) Suzanne! We ought to
remember also though, that whatever world we have created and live in - it is
only an experience!
We are here to live and learn! - and no doubt our "advanced-world" of today
brings with it the point-headedness of intelligence. Good, Bad or Indifferent.
I feel that all kinds of worlds are necessary in order for us to advance
cosmically and Suzanne's comment is a reminder that the world of today has been
*advanced?* by the Negative Polarity Group of Entities that in their efforts of
dominating our world have established, by hoodwinking certain governments, the
environments we now live in. IOW: we've been had!
This lesson however, will once and forever establish that Man is the creator
of his world and although our situation might be a physical-downer, for sure it
is a spiritual-upper! Now we know, who creates what and why!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Suzanne speaking: >> The natural cooling systems for example are far quieter,
cheaper and put less of a demand on the planet than technical solutions to
cooling that close off buildings, insulate against air exchange and recirculate
diseased air that gives us the new disease called legionnaire's disease. Is this
"Better?" because it is based on "intelligence" and technical "Know How?" <<
Gerardus: It is a typical "unbalanced or out of kilter situation" that will
be corrected by automatic remedies built into the "Unbroken Wholeness" we live
in. All things are Clues... For Life is the Almighty Teacher!
-----------------------------------------------------
Suzanne speaking: >> The knowledge of the atom brought us the atomic age, filled
with death destruction, Chernobils, Bikini Atols, the French Marshal Islands
where testing has created a toxic legacy and on and on and on. <<
Gerardus: For about 26 years of my life, I have been engaged in building
Power Generating Stations. Right from the beginning of the introduction of
Atomic Power Plants have I known that, we as human beings are not "smart and
wise" enough to handle this kind of Hot Stuff" in the long run.
I feel that if the entire world knew what kind of "nuclear-pollution" we
have created in this world - it would stop the world. How to get rid of it?
Well in the future, possibly some of us will dematerialize this Hot Stuff and
neutralize it. IOW: We'll pooff it! Mind over matter treatment! Nuf' said!
---------------------------------------------------------
Suzanne speaking: >> Sorry, I am not impressed with the argument that knowledge,
education, and literacy are in and of themselves Better. <<
Gerardus: Yeperooney Yaya! Nothing *in and by itself* is Better! For "All
of IT" is interconnected and an aspect of the Whole! Since this is so; we have
indeed gained a valuable lesson in Cosmic Education. The solution for Mankind
ought to take "Intelligence" as well as "Intuition" into account (together it is
Wisdom) and create very small "self sustaining pilot project" in order to try
out new things. But you know how it is, in our world where Money is God, we all
suffer from Golden Calf disease. It causes blindness!
There are substantial rumors that certain Aliens have traded certain
technological "know how" for the right to abduct human beings for Alien
betterment. This contact went sour right from the start although it might have
been most helpful to stop the nuclear arms race. The new knowledge and
therefore superiority of the government involved won hands down so to speak.
IOW: So, who is to say what is better or worse??
Please drop a lot more pebbles Suzanne. I like to see the Stars tremble...!
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 7
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 16:07 +0300
From: "John N. Phillips" <jackphil@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Illiteracy is good?
Message-ID: <23080094160728@HUJIVMS>
Suzanne Tooney Spinks answered the question, Is it better to be literate than
illiterate by mentioning some stupid and horrid things done by literate people.
Of course that's true, Suzanne. But does that mean that you, Suzanne, as a
literate person, think it would be preferable for you to have remained
illiterate? Would you prefer your children or grandchildren or any children to
be kept in a state of illiteracy? Do you propose that we stop teaching people
to read and write and shut down our educational institutions? If not, then you
agree with me on literacy and education. And my point was that someone who can
see that it is better to be educated than not, then all the more they should be
able to see that it is better to be a person than a bee, since bees are
obviously far more limited than even illiterate human beings.
Another poster on the mochin list had expressed some kind of existential despair
to the effect that there is no difference between human society and the dances
of bees, and I wanted to help them out of that despair by an obvious case of
difference which, if they could acknowldge, then all the more they could
acknowledge the difference and preferability of being human. As for the sins,
crimes, and stupid errors of human beings, neither they nor our human
capabilities of knowledge and artistic, poetic, scientific, and spiritual
creativity is nullified by the other. That is, our crimes do not nullify our
virtues and our virtues don't nullify our crimes. Bees, of course, have none of
these human capabilities. Granted, we can't sting and make honey and wax out of
pollen and nectar, but is that comparable to science and poetry and religion?
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Topic No. 8
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 16:10 +0300
From: stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Creation will NEVER end...!
Message-ID: <23080094161055@HUJIVMS>
>Jan: >> Since we create the world we live in, is it not our responsibility to
>make it the best world it can be?
>
>Gerardus: Naturally it is Jan. The question is HOW? By writing more? By
>writing LESS? By doing WHAT? Spell it out Jan...
>
>------------------------------------------------
>
>Jan: >> You have not realized your potential any more than the rest of us. <<
>
>Gerardus: Naturally I have not Jan... and I never will! For my potential
>is INFINITE! That means I will never reach it! And as soon as I do... I will
>be truly finished!! Perfection is a Static State! The Enjoyment of the
>Conscious Creator is the Game it plays in me and through Me!
>The writing, the football game, the girlfriend, the sadness of losing a friend,
>the living in the moment, the learning of Truth and its infinite becoming, the
>Greatness of being Man! All THIS is the Enjoyment or Bliss or whatever you
>want
>to call it. Life is THE Thing! And only when one is ready to enjoy the
>moment
>is it possible to go and reach for the enjoyment of the next.
>--------------------------------------------------
>
>Jan: >> I'm sure your writings make lot of people feel better, but only
>temporarily. <<
>
>Gerardus: How nice of you to say this Jan! How absolutely marvelous that
>I,
>this infinitesimal smallness in Creatorship, have made feel people better
>temporarily!!! To me Jan, that is Greatness applied! The people's Greatness!
>And all this while I'm only uttering words. My words... yes. But the people
>who feel better are the ones who are proving to themselves that they have
>reached a "State of Heart" that tells them: I am the Same! I am this
>Greatness!
>I am the Infinite! Don't you think that that is THEIR accomplishment and not
>mine? If they feel better, even temporarily, is not my doing! It's theirs!
>
>To all who read this my God Within says: ! "I" am your Equal in Spirit and
>Freedom and "I" have given all of you the freedom to be a Creator with infinite
>potential. Go to it! Your gift is ready... use it well !
>
> The point is; we are all learning! Learning as fast as we can.
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
>Jan: >> Since you agree that we are here to help create a better physical
>reality why not help? Why not use your joyful creative talent to make a
>permanent difference? <<
>
>Gerardus: ... to make a permanent difference... ??? Hmmm? Whatever I do,
>or not do, --> IS <-- the very permanent difference! And also Jan, my very
>"temporary" making people feel better is a permanent change in them. For they
>have been touched by their God Within. That is the Greatness that feels better
>- not their good looking faces or their beautiful legs...
>Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
Dear Gerardus,
Your letters are nice, interesting, inspiring.
You seem to have an answer for everything.
On the other hand, I have the feeling that you are not aware of the
suffering around. One who feels ONE with ALL must feel not only all the joy
but all the sorrow of the world as his/her own.
Consequently, one must chanell all energy towadrs the Tiqun Olam at the
level he/she is able to.
(First know thyself, than accept and love thyself, than know, accept and
love thy neighbour as thyself, than discover your powers, and than use tham
to make your life better, and tht of your
neighbour.
I miss the part of suffering in your letters.
I have no doubt in my mind that you are a serious student in the spiritual
matters.
However, ask yourself, if you did climb the ladder of Jacob step by step,
without omiting any level? That is a common problem with spiritual
development. Building the roof before the floors. It will not stay there
for long.
I am very pragmatic. As I see it, the fruits of ones hands are the only
hard evidence of the level of spiritual development. Tiqun Olam happens at
the Material level (by good work).
May the fruits of your hands be a blessing for the world.
Peter
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Topic No. 9
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 22:38 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: creation continued ...
Message-ID: <23080094223843@HUJIVMS>
Hi Gerardus and everyone,
>>Jan: Since we create the world we live in, is it not our
responsibility to make it the best world it can be?
>>Gerardus: Naturally it is. The question is how?
>>Jan: Since you agree that we are here to help create a better
physical reality why not help? Why not use your joyful creative
talent to make a permanent difference?
I was asking you: if you had the chance to take part in helping the
world, such as helping to create holistic science for the production
of pollution-free technologies to heal the earth, why not do it?
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
excuses for doing nothing - I've heard them all, from myself over the
years as well as other people
individuality
there is a time for work and time for play
it's your choice whether you want to or not. I only asked
We are the oversears of the world - yes, even the bees.
We are the ones whose purpose is to make things better.
There are different differences we can make - some larger than
others.
We should each make the most difference we are able to.
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Topic No. 10
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 22:27 +0300
From: koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Illiteracy is good?
Message-ID: <23080094222707@HUJIVMS>
John N. Phillips seems to think it is our gift of intelligence that
makes us different. But intelligence is only one aspect. In my
anti-existential philosophy I say it is not despair, albeit thanks for
your support. The truth in knowing our complete selves, our totality
apart from such material matters as intelligence, sets us apart. Too
many try to claim the kind of Pooh'ba balogna that it is our culture
and science and material claims on our world that makes greatness.
Ceasar the moment while you crush the rosebuds in your trodden path.
> Granted, we can't sting and make honey and wax out of pollen and
> nectar, but is that comparable to science and poetry and religion?
Yes, it can be if these are not understood as part of a life enriched
in a way in which all these human attributes are the same aspiration;
the breath of life, not the wind of the wheels of progress.
Mike Koopman internet: koopman@ctc.com phone: +1-814-269-2637
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Topic No. 11
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 23:13 +0300
From: denni011@gold.tc.umn.edu (Rollin Denniston)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Illiteracy is good?
Message-ID: <23080094231317@HUJIVMS>
> Granted, we can't sting and make honey and wax out of
>pollen and nectar, but is that comparable to science and poetry and religion?
It is to a bee.
After all isn't all of your judgment and evaluation of the value of
"literacy and education" a matter of perspective?
When seen from the point of view of the indigenous Shaman, the science,
technology, poetry and religion of the so-called civilized
intellectualizations of the Western Mind is limited and primitive at best.
When seen from the perceptual position of one who has been steeped in the
formulas of rational, analytical and logical "education" literacy naturally
seems the better option.
Rollin Denniston
***There's more to the mind---than meets the I***
Institute of Mind Sciences
1111 W. 22nd St., #200
Minneapolis MN 55405
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Topic No. 12
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 23:15 +0300
From: denni011@gold.tc.umn.edu (Rollin Denniston)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Wheel Bee rolls
Message-ID: <23080094231502@HUJIVMS>
Mike Koopman wrote:
>Well I hope you don't trip on that fantastic light apian the way and
>get your skull dug in the rut of the cassettes on cherubim road. That
>is watch your Pooh'ba, or somebody might kick the Pooh'ba out of you.
>(to be accepted into the light of the blond headed girlish giggles of
>famous [or, infamous] Gerardus Laughter.)
>
>Mike with them who have come into the Light ... Love... and Laughter!
The main benefit for me of all the 'Gerardus' bakery's outpouring and
buzzing has been the wonderful Joycian-like responses of this Koopman whose
writing is like the laughter of an Irish rover and over and over.
Thanks, Mike!
Rollin Denniston
***There's more to the mind---than meets the I***
Institute of Mind Sciences
1111 W. 22nd St., #200
Minneapolis MN 55405
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Topic No. 13
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 23:04 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Frame of Mind
Message-ID: <23080094230436@HUJIVMS>
Hi everyone,
>Steve: I was reminded of the Indian people. They are seen by many
in our cushy world as being some of the greatest sufferers and thus
in need of the greatest help. However, if one reads their religious
epic.., one would find out that they think in such a way that their
suffering is a crown and something to be triumphed over.
I think Steve that this is because they, like everyone up until now,
have had no choice.
Mankind has suffered since the beginning, and in not being able to
change this, has had no choice but to accept it in order to survive.
Man has had to triumph over suffering in order to survive to this
point in evolution.
When there is nothing you can do about something, you accept it.
However, when there is something you can do about it, you don't
accept it, you do what needs to be done to change it.
We are now at a time when we have evolved enough spiritually and
intellectually that we are able to manipulate matter - we have
science and the technologies that result from it. Science and
knowledge can not be contained. So far science has not been
performed in an intelligent enough manner and has been polluting.
When through creative vision science becomes holistic, new
non-polluting technologies will develop. Also medical advances which
will overcome physical suffering will be achieved. The result will be
the healing of the earth, material abundance for all, and an end to
misery and suffering ie. This is the way our evolution moves
forward.
The state of the world shows that we are well into a situation where
the time has come for this change. Also we are approaching the
millennium.
The key to this whole thing is us - we're the ones who accomplish it.
Myself, I am quite excited about being able to take part in this
stage of man's evolution - helping to create the holistic conditions
that will usher in the millennium.
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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MOCHIN Digest 87
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Illiteracy is Good?... for Nothing...!
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
2) Creation will NEVER end...!
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
3) being human
by "John N. Phillips" <jackphil@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
4) being human
by "John N. Phillips" <jackphil@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
5) I am all ears for your answer...!
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
6) perspectives
by "John N. Phillips" <jackphil@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
7) Re: perspectives
by denni011@gold.tc.umn.edu (Rollin Denniston)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 12:16 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Illiteracy is Good?... for Nothing...!
Message-ID: <24080094121600@HUJIVMS>
To One and All
To John K. Phillips
Thank you for responding John...
John: >> But does that mean that you, Suzanne, as a literate person, think it
would be preferable for you to have remained illiterate? Would you prefer your
children or grandchildren or any children to be kept in a state of illiteracy?
<<
Gerardus: Suzanne did not say that she and her children etc. etc. would prefer
to stay illiterate and neither did she imply this in what she wrote. She merely
mentioned some of the things we in this world are exposed to and are brought
about by the so called levels of sophistication and/or educated elite of today's
world.
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John: Another poster on the mochin list had expressed some kind of existential
despair to the effect that there is no difference between human society and the
dances of bees, etc etc.
Gerardus: Your above response John, I think, refers to what I have repeated
below. I feel that once you read it over carefully you will find that I did not
say that there is no difference between the Human Dance (or Society) and the Bee
Dance. Here is my response to Mike repeated:
Gerardus: >> There is none! For all of it is the same and Only Creator
expressing itself in a diversity of Life and Joyfulness. It expresses itself
however in different levels of understanding. This is not to say that Man is
more understanding than bees or butterflies, far from it at the moment.
The distinction here is "the different levels of understanding" (Or Dances)
However, the entire Creation is but ONE DANCE! The Creator's Dance or Joyful
Expression! And Man also is not LESS understanding that bees or butterflies...
Our understanding is DIFFERENT, but not necessarily more or less, or greater
or smaller. All entities in creation have the necessary ingredients
(understanding and/or awareness and/or Instinct) to slowly progress toward the
evolutionary stage of full Realization. This however is not yet necessarily
CONSCIOULY recognized by bees and butterflies for example. As a matter of fact
very few people realize that they are on a very long progressive journey of
Realization or Recognition of Self. They are nevertheless...
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John, you mentioned ---> our human capabilities of knowledge and artistic,
poetic, scientific, and spiritual creativity <--- and then you say the
following:
John: Bees, of course, have none of these human capabilities. Granted, we can't
sting and make honey and wax out of pollen and nectar, but is that comparable to
science and poetry and religion? <<
Gerardus: I feel that making honey and wax out of pollen and nectar IS the very
poetry and religion of bees. I think that their religion is very wise and
practical! I feel that these bees have a good thing going... so I'd say; to
each his own!
The more I become aware of in our world the more I realize how little I but
know and how *infinitely* we are really interconnected... If we are not all One,
I would be very peeved off indeed!
If there is anything that still is not too clear in what I have written John,
we'll have another "go" at it. Thank you for responding...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 2
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 12:14 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation will NEVER end...!
Message-ID: <24080094121459@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Peter... (the Great?)
Glad you jumped right in there Peter... Sometimes however we jump before we
look and therefore we land and get it, so to speak. Well, I have nothing
against you but for reasons I do not ask myself too deeply I have let my Soul do
the writing and what you'll see, does not sound too agreeable. All of it though
is written with sincerity and respect. We all need a good couple of statements
now and then to keep us awake... well here they are...
Peter: Dear Gerardus, Your letters are nice, interesting, inspiring.
You seem to have an answer for everything. On the other hand, I have the feeling
that you are not aware of the suffering around. One who feels ONE with ALL must
feel not only all the joy but all the sorrow of the world as his/her own.
Consequently, one must chanell all energy towadrs
the Tiqun Olam at the level he/she is able to. >>
Gerardus: Thank you for the nice compliments Peter. And you possibly might
be right by saying that I seem to have an answer for everything.
I suggest though that WE keep the word "SEEM" in that sentence for sure!
For I am a lot dumber than I am enlightened.
And You are right about when you say that if a person feels One with All,
that this person also feels all the suffering as his/her own. I have never
stated however that I feel One with All or Anything! I probably have said that
"WE ARE ONE" or that "All IS ONE". Or something similar. Anyway, it's but a
small point... infinitely, but small!
Since I am but a beginner I do not know what "Tiqun Olam" means. What does
it mean Peter? I have seen it before but I did not miss the meaning but now I
do. Please tell me what it means...
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>> Peter: I miss the part of suffering in your letters. I have no doubt in my
mind that you are a serious student in the spiritual matters. <<
Gerardus: Do you like to suffer Peter? You miss it? when I do not write
about it. Don't you have enough by seeing all the suffering in the world? You
want to see me "suffer" as well? Well, you will not see me suffer in my
letters, for I would have to pretend that I would be suffering and I am not a
pretender anymore.
I am a Human Being aware of my Greatness in the Universe as a Universal
Unique Being and I know that I am on an evolutionary path that will give me more
and more JOY the further I go along on.
HOWEVER...! That does not mean that I am blind to the suffering in the
world and for that matter the suffering going on among some people on this
Network. Time and time again I'm reminded by them that I don't suffer enough or
do not enough to change all the suffering in the world. You pain yourself in
telling me!
Tell me Peter: what did you do in the last two weeks to relieve the suffering in
the world? Did you feed the poor? Did you help someone by counseling them how
to suffer less... or more, because they like it. Did you relieve their
suffering by telling them that they are the Greatest of the Greatest alive in
this Universe. For they are the very God and Creator incarnated in a Human Form
in order to participate in the Celebration of Life? Or do you tell them to
focus their mind on suffering or the relief of it?
We live in a Universe where each of us has Free will! I do not praise or
blame you for doing what you are doing because I know that you are FREE! So
therefore I do not think that anybody with a bit of knowledge about Freedom has
to remind someone else that s/he does not suffer enough, because it does not
show up in his letters. However, they have they freedom to do so!
Anyway Peter... I love you for I let you be what YOU want to be! I let you
be Free! Free to suffer from seeing so many suffer! I let you, because I
understand some of the Human Mind and its conditioning. I let you, because I
understand (which is Love)!
I used to be a Roman Catholic and this religion made me feel guilty about
myself. They also conditioned me to believe that I lived in the Valley of Tears
and that I was a sinner. For unknown reasons I had nailed this man on a cross!
Heaven was closed and now that this Man stood up again the door was opened
again. Well, I do not believe that anymore because I've grown a bit. Anyway,
about this Valley of Tears - I have never seen you in that Valley but I think
that we just missed each other. By the time that I left it, you must have
entered it.
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Peter: >> I have no doubt in my mind that you are a serious student in the
spiritual matters. <<
Gerardus: Well, my friend Peter, I have to disappoint you! I am NOT a
SERIOUS student in the spiritual matters!! I am just another guy who has
learned that seriousness and ambition are the two blinders Mankind has worn for
the last while. It almost has killed the Earth!
All I can say about myself is that I am a student of the future and I know a
bit of the past. This has taught me to live in the moment and to do this
Joyfully for there are yet many moments to come. IOW: I live forever as a Soul
and/or High Self and at this precise moment in time I am writing a letter to
Peter as Gerardus, a Human Being who has to Freedom to be not liked by everyone
or anyone for that matter. For Gerardus is sufficient onto himself! As this
Gerardus, I enjoy writing letters for I have learned to stay out of the way, and
let my Higher Self do the talking.
However, do not take all this ranting and raving too much at heart for it is
not a punishment or a payment. It is only a statement!
What you think/feel about it is your doing, your responsibility, your
conditioning will shine through emotionally, spiritually or otherwise.
As a matter of fact I wish that someone would climb on his/her keyboard and
give me a load or two. If I get it... I deserve it! It keeps me on my toes,
spiritual toes that is...
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Next issue!
Peter: As I see it, the fruits of ones hands are the only hard evidence of the
level of spiritual development. Tiqun Olam happens at the Material level (by
good work).
Gerardus: I have been a worker for 41 years and there is not a thing in the
world I could not do! I have done them all in my lifetime(s) and especially
the hand-working professions. For example: carpenter, plumber, electrician,
steamfitter, bookkeeper, accountant, RV repair, TV repair, car radios, writer
and computer programming for a bit. I am what is called an eternal fixer!
After all Peter, I am 66 years old and I'm taking a break from all that now, by
writing messages. Beautiful! Anyway, you name it, I've done it..) I just
thought I'd let you know...
So glad you let it all come out... You know Peter, I am very proud of Gerardus
for all of it came about by letting it come THROUGH...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 3
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 12:27 +0300
From: "John N. Phillips" <jackphil@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: being human
Message-ID: <24080094122734@HUJIVMS>
Mike Koopman outflanked my neat arguments for the preferability of being human
to being a bee with the epigram:
Caesar the moment while you crush the rosebuds in your trodden path.
To which I can only reply,
There was an old geezer named Caesar,
Who a girl when he sees her would seize her,
When friends would admonish he'd further astonish
By falling right down in a seizure.
Mike, of course our humanity includes more than intelligence. But the other
things you refer to, like wholeness and lightness and laughter and your poetic
epigram and my limerick, are also beyond any insect. Humanity wins again!
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Topic No. 4
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 12:28 +0300
From: "John N. Phillips" <jackphil@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: being human
Message-ID: <24080094122823@HUJIVMS>
Mike Koopman outflanked my neat arguments for the preferability of being human
to being a bee with the epigram:
Caesar the moment while you crush the rosebuds in your trodden path.
To which I can only reply,
There was an old geezer named Caesar,
Who a girl when he sees her would seize her,
When friends would admonish he'd further astonish
By falling right down in a seizure.
Mike, of course our humanity includes more than intelligence. But the other
things you refer to, like wholeness and lightness and laughter and your poetic
epigram and my limerick, are also beyond any insect. Humanity wins again!
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Topic No. 5
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 12:26 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: I am all ears for your answer...!
Message-ID: <24080094122617@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Jan and her expected answer...
Jan: I was asking you: if you had the chance to take part in helping the
world, such as helping to create holistic science for the production
of pollution-free technologies to heal the earth, why not do it?
Gerardus: Answer! I am already helping out MY way! About eight to ten
hours a day and it cost me $124.84 on CompuServe per month. But then I only
enlighten or make people feel better temporarily now and then. With more money
I probably could start my own entertainment channel!
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Gerardus: Tell me Jan, what and how do you help the sufferers? Loud and
clear, spell it out. How do YOU help them??? (This is from a previous
message.)
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Gerardus Again: What actions do you take to help them!
Your answer must be clear and specific without quotes from the Book PM.
I am quiet dumb and dense so be very clear please...
And if need be, what specific Actions would you like me to take?
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 6
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 12:29 +0300
From: "John N. Phillips" <jackphil@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: perspectives
Message-ID: <24080094122918@HUJIVMS>
Rollin Denniston writes
> Granted, we can't sting and make honey and wax out of
>pollen and nectar, but is that comparable to science and poetry and religion?
It is to a bee.
But Rollin, is it to you? And is your perspective not more complete than a
bee's? How about that of an eyeless earthworm, or an amoeba without vision,
hearing, memory, imagination, or the ability to think about things, including
perspectives? Do you see how your ability to comment on perspectives puts you
into a category beyond bees and earthworms? Are all perspectives really equal?
My perspective and yours, I believe, include the ability to consider other
perspectives and compare them, as we have just done with the earthworm and the
amoeba, and can also do by studying the perspectives of native Americans, and of
Christians, Jews, and Muslims. It seems to me this ability to think about
perspectives, compare them, evaluate them is of a higher order of capability
andbeing than creatures who are stuck in their pespectives. And of course we
have the Gerardus option, too, of being even above all this in smiles and joy.
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Topic No. 7
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 17:44 +0300
From: denni011@gold.tc.umn.edu (Rollin Denniston)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: perspectives
Message-ID: <24080094174448@HUJIVMS>
John Phillips said:
>It seems to me this ability to think about
>perspectives, compare them, evaluate them is of a higher order of capability
>and being than creatures who are stuck in their pespectives.
Sure it is. It is more complex, it is self-reflexive and in fact we have the
possibility of experiencing events from multiple perspectives
simultaneously, something akin to the compound eye of the fly. But if many
people aren't creatures stuck in their socially conditioned perspectives and
if most of that conditioning isn't perpetrated in the name of 'literacy'
then there is something amiss with my observations and/or my sampling
strategy. From one of my perspectives (Gregory Bateson was always advocating
at least 2; what he called double description) I certainly appreciated the
tool of literacy bestowed on me by this benevolent culture; from another, I
see the suppression of creativity and the religion of the right answer that
the same system that helped me become literate attempted to entrap me with.
When you think about it, literacy refers to letters and letters are the
elements of words and words form sentences and sentences become concepts and
concepts represent perspectives and perspectives -- -- --
>And of course we
>have the Gerardus option, too, of being even above all this in smiles and joy.
Which is yet another perspective, not better, different.
Rollin Denniston
***There's more to the mind---than meets the I***
Institute of Mind Sciences
1111 W. 22nd St., #200
Minneapolis MN 55405
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MOCHIN Digest 88
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) perspectives
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
2) Re: Frame of mind.
by schooley@new-orleans.neosoft.com (John Schooley)
3) potential...
by i love therefore i am <X1B157@VM.BIU.AC.IL>
4) Re: perspectives
by af060@freenet.buffalo.edu (Suzanne Toomey Spinks)
5) I am all ears for you answer..
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
6) Re: Frame of mind.
by af060@freenet.buffalo.edu (Suzanne Toomey Spinks)
7) RE: Frame of Mind.
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
8) Tale of Two Forces - 4/6
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 4:06 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: perspectives
Message-ID: <25080094040613@HUJIVMS>
To one and All
To Rollin D. ... rolllling along!
Rollin at his best:
>From one of my perspectives (Gregory Bateson was always advocating
at least 2; what he called double description) I certainly appreciated the
tool of literacy bestowed on me by this benevolent culture; from another, I
see the suppression of creativity and the religion of the right answer that
the same system that helped me become literate attempted to entrap me with.
When you think about it, literacy refers to letters and letters are the
elements of words and words form sentences and sentences become concepts and
concepts represent perspectives and perspectives -- -- --
>And of course we have the Gerardus option, too, of being even above all this in
smiles and joy. Which is yet another perspective, not better, different. <
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Gerardus: I agree whole heartedly with the above Rollin, except for the bit of
putting me *above* all this. I'm actually laying on the ground fixing this
dammeldummy valve on my heave drain RV tank! But certainly, thank you for the
good intentions and manners you honor the so well and often used name Gerardus.
I have to watch it, my ego-light is sticking out on all sides. I'm glowing like
Mister Clean! Watch that outlet man... it's leaking used potatoes and gravy...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 2
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 11:45 +0300
From: schooley@new-orleans.neosoft.com (John Schooley)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Frame of mind.
Message-ID: <25080094114504@HUJIVMS>
> Suzanne Toomey Spinks, Buffalo NY USA
>I have to comment here about the sttement Isn't it BETTER to be educated,
>literate and intelligent than to be illiterate? etc. I dare say, we had better
>look at the sad state of the technical world some "intelligent and literate"
>folks
>have gotten us into.
>--
> Drop a Pebble on the Beach and Shake a Star
I small mind, like a small ego, is a dangerous thing. The problem is not
that we are too intelligent, it is that we are not intelligent enough.
I have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week
sometimes to make it up.
- Mark Twain
John Schooley
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Topic No. 3
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 21:56 +0300
From: i love therefore i am <X1B157@VM.BIU.AC.IL>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: potential...
Message-ID: <25080094215604@HUJIVMS>
Greetings!
Steve, I'd like to ask you about the letter you posted several days ago.
Steve-- "Potential is the illusion created by a selfish need to continue
being attached to the world. Freedom is the elimination of
potential through detached action creating everything. Potentials
must be found, freedom is THE inactive act."
Wow! What's it all mean?
What do you mean by "potential"? "detached action"? How is freedom "THE
inactive act"? Hm... freedom in the sense of nirvana, i.e. total detachment
from the worldly chains that bind? Enlighten me, please...
ShellY
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Topic No. 4
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 22:01 +0300
From: af060@freenet.buffalo.edu (Suzanne Toomey Spinks)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: perspectives
Message-ID: <25080094220128@HUJIVMS>
Back in the discussion. I too appreciate the
prescious gift that is literacy. Words and ideas
are th ecurrency we all exchange more than anyother.
Also, however, we have become unconscious of the
information nature has to offer, "biotacy" I call it.
As has been pointed out, not better, not worse, not
superior/inferior, but lacking, different.
the superior/inferior arguement leads nowhere.
Differences leads to discovery.
Let us learn all we can from every where we can,
birds, bees, incredible naturalists who have discovered
such wonders about the healing virtues of plants, that
some people with a different perspective, and lack of
awareness, knowledge, seek to cut down, destroy, and
limit because of a greed for another kind of wealth.
I am in awe of the music, poetry, art, invention, mechanical
wizerdry, and incredible/credible discoveries humans have
made. I ma also saddened that the same "intelligence" that
can produce such beauty can be so destructive.
The two sides of our nature, constructive/destructive.
And as we become more aware, enlightened, we become
less destructive. WE seem to move toward neg-entropoy from entropy
as we learn. This conversation also helps. thanks for the memories.
--
Drop a Pebble on the Beach and Shake a Star
Suzanne Toomey Spinks, Buffalo NY USA
Planet Earth
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Topic No. 5
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 22:04 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: I am all ears for you answer..
Message-ID: <25080094220449@HUJIVMS>
To Gerardus and all,
>Gerardus: Tell me Jan, what and how do you help the sufferers? Loud
and clear, spell it out. How do YOU help them???
One way is by being a member of the Project Mind Foundation.
Another, is by "listening" as fully as I can. That is when I read
something someone writes, I try to deeply understand that person and
understand what it is they are really saying or what they really need
to hear from me. I listen with all my heart, soul and means and try
to answer with compassion, love and understanding.
I would like to comment on your letter to Peter's letter titled -
Creation will NEVER end.
>Peter: On the other hand, I have the feeling that you are not aware
of the suffering around. One who feels ONE with ALL must feel not
only all the joy but all the sorrow of the world as his/her own.
Consequently, one must channel all energy toward the Tiqun Olam at
the level he/she is able to.
>I miss the part of suffering in your letters. I have no doubt in my
mind that you are a serious student in the spiritual matters.
>Gerardus: Since I am but a beginner I do not know what "Tiqun Olam"
means.
If Peter doesn't mind, I would like to explain what I think Peter is
saying. And I hope he will also join in here as I may not be that
clear on this and his understanding of this is probably deeper than
mine.
Tiqun Olam means world change or world transformation. He is saying
that in our deeds (which all affect the world) we should use
compassion, understanding and joy as best we are able to.
That we should use our heart as well as our mind. We should put all
our energy into everything we do - that is do things with all our
heart, soul and means.
>Gerardus: Do you like to suffer Peter? You miss it? when I do not
write about it. Don't you have enough by seeing all the suffering in
the world? You want to see me "suffer" as well? Well, you will not
see me suffer in my letters, for I would have to pretend that I would
be suffering and I am not a pretender anymore.
Not for you to suffer, but show compassion. Your writings express
joy and humour but what he feels is missing is compassion. We should
try to express through our minds and our hearts.
>Gerardus: what did you do in the last two weeks to relieve the
suffering in the world? Did you feed the poor? Did you help someone
by counselling them how to suffer less... or more, because they like
it. Did you relieve their suffering by telling them that they are
the Greatest of the Greatest alive in this Universe. For they are
the very God and Creator incarnated in a Human Form in order to
participate in the Celebration of Life? Or do you tell them to focus
their mind on suffering or the relief of it?
It is really not possible to eliminate the suffering in the world as
the world exists right now. All we can do is ease it some.
These are all things that help (well not counselling them to suffer
more). Telling them that they are the greatest, here to participate
in the celebration of life also helps. And your joyful writings are
really a great help. Your humour is a great help.
But the world needs balance. A mixture of joy, love, compassion,
understanding. Sometimes more joy is needed, sometimes more
compassion. Always understanding.
You have the gift of great joy and humour and it is part of your
individuality so you can fulfil your purpose.
You have pointed out that I am serious. Well, I have a purpose here
and I need that seriousness to perform it. It is one of the gifts I
was given to do what I need to do. It is part of my individuality.
It doesn't mean I don't enjoy life, I just don't express myself in
that way. I really enjoy your writings and sometimes I need them.
They help me to keep my joy for life alive. Perhaps sometimes
something I say fulfils a need in you.
Also, I am brand new to expressing myself in writing. I'm sure it
shows! But I am working on it.
>Gerardus: And if need be, what specific Actions would you like me to
take?
Well, there is great need.
Perhaps you will use your talents to help Project Mind.
Perhaps, listen a little deeper, and see what you hear.
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Topic No. 6
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 22:09 +0300
From: af060@freenet.buffalo.edu (Suzanne Toomey Spinks)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Frame of mind.
Message-ID: <25080094220919@HUJIVMS>
John Schooley says, it is that we are not intelligent enough.
Yes, yes, I agree. I do not argue for less intellignece.
Good that we have decided to explore this idea more.
See my earlier post. I think I explain more of what I intend.
WE need to expand our understanding of what constitutes knowledge
and literacy. Letters, words, books, ideas, and I add to this
the wisdom of nature that we in so called "developed" world have
forgotten or chosen to be less cognizant of. Many who are wiser
that the rest of us caution that we need to be more still, quiet,
less chatty and allow the wisdon to speak to us. When will we ever learn?
--
Drop a Pebble on the Beach and Shake a Star
Suzanne Toomey Spinks, Buffalo NY USA
Planet Earth
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Topic No. 7
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 22:14 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: RE: Frame of Mind.
Message-ID: <25080094221416@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To John S.
Thank you for being present on this Network John...
John S. writes: I have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a
week sometimes to make it up. - Mark Twain >> John Schooley <<
Gerardus: Mark Twain was lucky! My mind is so small, I have trouble finding
it! Anyway, in the mean time I'm borrowing God's. I sure hope God does not
mind... otherwise, well you know what happens to people who borrow stuff without
asking... they're put in the pokey... One thing though, in there; I would have
lots of time to find my own. Well?... if there is such a thing?
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 8
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 22:12 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Tale of Two Forces - 4/6
Message-ID: <25080094221241@HUJIVMS>
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
To One and All...
To Mind and Heart...
----> Tale of Two Forces - The Game of God <----
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Part 4/6
THE SUBLIMINAL OR SUBCONSCIOUS CONTROL.
So, specific UFO forces are man's benefactors and others are a group of
very smart entities, who are trying to dominate and exploit mankind via
"Secret Government Organizations and a Banking System" that the ordinary
masses have not the slightest notion of. Most likely there is a movement
a foot to brainwash the entire population of the world into some kind of
robot like existence by means of the conditioning that's going on via TV
and other medias. Does all this happen with the approval of our so called
elected democratic government? Naturally, the masses of this world are
totally ignorant of these procedures because they are busy consuming and
watching their TVs. Are all these TVs laced with subliminal instructions
to consume and stay contently dumb amidst the pretensions of happiness?
In the future we might end up with 3 billion robots and the rest of the
people died from aids related diseases. There might even be some kind of
evidence suggesting that the aids virus was created by the you know WHO?
Who knows? Are these forces also the brains behind the drug smuggling?
Well, it's awful hard to believe, but so are UFOs and their phenomena! In
any case, please remember that I have an awful lively imagination and all
this just might be private nonsense.
Two big questions now are:
1) How long are our Benefactors staying in the back ground and 2) How
can we who know, help our brothers from becoming slaves or robots?
On the other hand, maybe the changes in the world in the future will unite
mankind and their governments and we'll sail into the next age on a bed of
roses in the moonlight as reborn lovers. That would really be nice, but
as many of us suspect, things are going to be a lot rougher than that!
POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE POLARIZATION.
The UFO Intelligences like the people on Earth consist of two main groups:
"The Service to Others Group" & "The Service to Self Group". Both groups
are just as valuable, because it is the very friction or potential between
these two groups that needs to be transcended by all Entities (of the two
groups) in order to grow in awareness and reach the ultimate level of Love
and/or Consciousness. The religions call these two groups good and evil.
Positive and Negative Polarizations might be a better terminology.
THE SERVICE TO OTHERS GROUP.
The Service to Others Group has been with us from the very beginning and
we should consider them as our Benefactors or Friends. For millions if not
billions of years they have been there to help us and protect us from the
rest of the interested forces. It is well possible that the protective net
of electronic/magnetic/forces around the world has been split by our atomic
explosions in the past. Atomic explosions do more than make a mess of the
physical reality we live in, it very well could affect other realities and
therefore expose us to negative forces of all kinds. Not one iota is known
about this by our sciences.
THE SERVICE TO SELF GROUP.
We need also remember that most of the UFO activities are from the Service
to Self Group. They apparently are quite busy trying to "get" something
from mankind that will make them more like us. They might be electrical
more than psychological? And a Soul like Mankind has, might be a most desirable
characteristic! Who knows? Maybe all they have is their body?
To become immortal, like our Soul, must be quite alluring! Another thing
that we should remember is, that what we call morality, could be missing
entirely in the Service to Self Group of Entities. Morale is a funny thing
anyway. It depends how one has been raised or has become used to. Maybe
morale and survival are the same thing for them. For most of us on earth
there is a difference. Well, it is at least hoped there is!
The UFO Intelligences live or dwell in the higher dimensions or densities
and do not necessarily have a home planet. Possibly they might live on
huge satellites. They have direct command/control over energy and they are
able to "emerge" into our dimension. Naturally they create quite a stir
among the nut and bolt philosophies of our scientific world and its many
followers. There might well be as many as fifty to sixty different kinds
or groups of higher entities who visit planet earth. Most likely they all
use different means and/or vehicles to do so.
At least one group of UFO-Beings strive to have influence over the people
of our world and the result seems to appear as if there is a battle going
on over the inhabitants of the earth. The real battle however takes place
within each individual; who in its struggles to find the Truth of Things*
sometimes unknowingly aligns with the one Group and then with the other.
Eventually the Truth of Things will show that all Realities
are Virtual Realities and that the One and Only Reality that is
Real is the Reality of Absolute Consciousness or the Reality of
the Universal Mind. Which All of Us Are! Creation therefore
is the result of the Actions of all Individual Aspects, of this
Universal Mind, according to their individual/group desires and
their particular Creative Abilities.
WE ARE THE INITIATING FORCE.
Our world and its creation is the manifestation of our thoughts since the
very beginning of this solar system and every human-spiritual-being is an
active aspect of the Creative Force and is co-responsible for the earth
and its ecological state. In the mean time all of us, as aspects or Souls
of this universal force, take turns to incarnate into the earth plane and
try to make sense of what seems to be going on around us. Very, very few
people really know or even suspect that we are the "Initiating Force" or
Creator of our system. Mankind is in the beginning stages of awakening,
which means that most people are still fast asleep and they are not aware
of what this world is really all about or who is in control. For many God
the Father is still their favorite hero and his only Son is the only one
who can be relied upon. The truth about the UFOs will play greater havoc
with the religions than the fact that the sun does not turn around the
earth anymore. What to do is indeed a problem, for the suppressed press
and the books in the book stores are not read by the masses. It's one way
of telling the "Truth of Things" to people one at the time. However, very
few read books, for they have been trained to watch TV! One never knows
though, maybe the TV shows Unsolved Mysteries or Sixty Minutes will tell
the world one of these days! Let's hope they finally catch on...
----------------------------------------------------------
To be Continued on Sept. 01/94... So long for now...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 89
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Phillip Berg's work
by cbwillis@netcom.com (C. B. Willis)
2) I am all ears for your answer...
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
3) Re: Frame of Mind.
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
4) ! The Market Force <-----> The Earth !
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
5) Re: Frame of mind.
by Rickie.A.Slater@Dartmouth.EDU (Rickie A. Slater)
6) Re: Phillip Berg's work
by lugo0001@gold.tc.umn.edu
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Topic No. 1
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 94 14:20 +0300
From: cbwillis@netcom.com (C. B. Willis)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Phillip Berg's work
Message-ID: <26080094142059@HUJIVMS>
Hello,
I'm the new kid on the MOCHIN block.
I was interested in the group description as I am studying Phillip Berg's
work in Kabbalah, creation theory, and luminous emanations.
Anyone else here into this material? I'd like to know you.
C.B. Willis
cbwillis@netcom.com
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Topic No. 2
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 94 14:24 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: I am all ears for your answer...
Message-ID: <26080094142402@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Jan and her honesty... (99%)
Gerardus: How do I help the suffering Jan?
Jan: One way is by being a member of the Project Mind Foundation.
Gerardus: Was Jesus a member of any Foundation? Or Buddha? Or Spinoza?
Or Lao Tzu? Or Krishna? Or Yada? Or Da free John? Or Bagwan Shri Rajneesh
Or Socrates? Or Plotinus? Or Swedenborg? Well, I could go on and list five
hundred names naturally...
My point is, that at this moment and possibly in this lifetime, the entity
called Gerardus at this time, is going to climb his own mountain his own way and
alone. Now! I do not mean to say, by all above mentioned names, that I am
even *close* to any of the above, but that does not deter me to enjoy my life in
freedom and goofiness. You see Jan, I was a SERIOUS serious person for a long,
long, long time in the past. I could say that for sixty years I was as serious
as anybody you have ever known. Including yourself. You know what happens to
them? It gets to their heads after that long a time and all of a sudden they
burst out laughing and in about 10 seconds they have realized their lack!
Joyfulness! This includes the playfulness to see life as a moment to moment
endeavor for an infinite amount of time... and or space if you insist...
Slowly you see, we are entering a time, in which time is no more! The end
of Time as so many prophets had told us is just about here!. This means that
many of us will have learned to live fully in the moment. Well, I am playfully
working up to it and by golly, the *moment* has me by the tail. It keeps
pulling me into the next one, and so on, and so on... It's a gas!
--------------------------
Gerardus: I also would like to tell you that I respect you and I give you the
Freedom to join whatever Foundations you find your "Bag" so to speak. Go to it,
knock 'em dead. But understand that many are not that keen on joining a
semireligiousgroup. For many know that Life is an individual Thing! You are
going to have many disappointments and serious dilemmas of inner questions to
over come. Am I doing the right thing? Why am I doing this to myself? Am I
listening to the Inner or have I been listening to a lot of good sounding words?
Anyway, it's your life! Minds you see Jan, are the dividers of Mankind and
hearts are the embracers. For the first time I think you use the word Heart in
your last message. It's about time...
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Jan: >> Tiqun Olam means world change or world transformation. <<
Gerardus: Thank you Jan. Well this world change or world transformation
started quite some time ago and it is possible that you were still in diapers at
that time. It started when the first atomic bomb exploded over Japan. 1945 I
believe, was it? Anyway, I was just a brooky myself at that time.
In other words, Project mind is a bit late and yet it is way too early! For the
world of Man is not ready to be relieved of its suffering as you yourself so
smartly admitted upon my insistence. Fine! At least I hear you this time. I
had been listening with two souls and hearts most of the time. All my Helpers
and Guides were bussing around like crazy. But no honest answer from Jan until
the last post. Here it is...:
Jan: >> It is really not possible to eliminate the suffering in the world as
the world exists right now. All we can do is ease it some. <<
Gerardus: That's exactly it Jan. We ease it a bit! We do what we can where we
are! That's what I have been attempting to do with "kicking" my seriousness all
the way to "hellofajump" someplace or further.
There are many magnetic disturbances we in this world are subjected to from
now on in and a little bit of my goofiness helps to forget about it for a while.
Or at least as long as one is reading all these "Radical Enlightment
Philosophies of this Rascal called Gerardus.
Anyway, then you go on telling me that it helps what I have been doing.
Well naturally it helps! That's why I have been doing it in the first place.
After all, I told you that I speak with the voice of God, a God called Gerardus.
Learning to beat helloaplace, but smiling first of all!
-----------------------------
Gerardus: And if need be, what specific Actions would you like me to
take?
Jan: >> Well, there is great need. <<
Gerardus: What are those needs? Laughs? Giggles? Or fishing rods?
Jan: Perhaps you will use your talents to help Project Mind. <<
Gerardus: Right now Jan, I am helping Project Heart, Project Soul! My Soul
and the Soul of Mankind for there is but One Soul or Energy! And then, well, I
have answered your question above already and my great talents will be applied
in the most sincere manner in my own free style of being ME! The Radically
Enlightened Dummy with a lot of room left for more of the same Energy. Radiant
Godbeing Energy! Or a Lightbody!
After all Jan, suppose I would join, I might upset the applecart entirely
and Mr. Kun would have to rewrite his book. Which by the way is a master piece
of writing but as of yet I do not see that we need to give Man an abundance of
material stuff to win them over to become Spiritual. The Universe works by the
way of Needs. Not by; what would you like today Sugarbowl?
Since you are a "Tradition" Person. For your info: Almost all of our
traditional religions in the past have all pained themselves by shunning
material values. They felt that it was a detriment to the Spiritual. And then
all of a sudden we are trying to catch up? Well, I know about change, but to
drastic a change would make mankind more bizarre than ever.
Yes, I am all in favor of an Enlighten Society with an abundance of
material goodies. But this is in the making already anyway, with the entrance
of the New Age to come, after the world has fully absorbed the higher frequency
rates and higher vibrational effects of its population. That's why we need Joy,
Smiles and Chuckles. Our very State of Being effects the Earth tremendously. I
suggest you pull up your socks, or their equivalents, and chuckle for a change.
You might see the mountains tremble!
We need to anticipate and charge ourselves with a body full of humor. Many
of us know that future times are going to be a bit rocky now and then. So to
have the time of your life now is a wise thing to do. Caesar the Moment! Sounds
like Mike!
-------------------------------------
Gerardus: There might have been some other points in my previous communique
that have not been totally addressed but I'm not going over and over the same
old questions. I knew most of the answers already anyway, but I sometimes
insist that people encounter being kind of lost for a good one. It makes them
think!
Happy traveling Jan! And like you said: I will try to listen a little deeper,
and see what I hear. Do I use my ears or my eyes for that one?
Thank you for answering my message Jan, with all your energy, heart, Soul, and
means. (What more could "means" mean?... well I think that I see what I hear by
this means) So glad you're a lady! ... and smart too!
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 3
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 94 14:25 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Frame of Mind.
Message-ID: <26080094142533@HUJIVMS>
To One and ALL...
To the Shaker of Stars...
Suzanne: >> Many who are wiser that the rest of us caution that we need to be
more still, quiet, less chatty and allow the wisdom to speak to us. When will we
ever learn? <<
Gerardus here: The Great Consciousnesses that are able to transcend Time
and Space KNOW that we, at the present, are but an *infant* within the Scope of
Awareness and that is why they have infinite patience to help us grow toward the
same Levels of Awareness as they enjoy. This takes Time Suzanne!
IOW: Possibly a million years from now we look back and smile. For we know that
we have come a long way indeed. And what is a million years if you know that
you live forever? Do not despair. Life, just the way it is, is the right way!
We are all learning as fast as we can. Well, anyway... I am!
BTW: I agree with your above statement Suzanne. Except for the last sentence,
for we ARE learning. Some of us have to learn to perceive this...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 4
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 94 17:38 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: ! The Market Force <-----> The Earth !
Message-ID: <26080094173839@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To: Drop a Pebble on the Beach and Shake a Star
Suzanne Toomey Spinks, Buffalo NY USA
Planet Earth
The other day Suzanne brought up a very important issue and as we know
many of us have responded in diverse ways. Excellent Indeed!
Suzanne's original post is depicted in the following poem I believe.
I came across it again, for I'm retyping all my 'children' to fit our
new manner of sharing them - computer style. Here it is:
FOR WHAT I AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am the Earth!
And bear the Life that forms your Body.
I am your Host!
And I am a Living Entity like You.
But You as my Guests...
are sickening ME!
For You have stolen and sold ME.
You have befouled and polluted ME.
You have scorched and burnt ME.
You have layed ME bare...
and raped ME.
You are suffocating ME...
with your Stench of Money.
And You are killing ME...
with the Fruits of Hate.
You have ripped ME open and bombarded ME...
and all for what?
Yet I steadily turn...
keep my Face to the Light and do not worry.
For I will be!
While You will suffer the Pain You are.
For I know how to rid myself...
of Bugs that bother ME.
For in the days to come...
I will rumble and shake...
I will rattle and spit.
And finally...
I will twist my Poles to wash You away...
while I take a bath.
To prepare myself anew and again...
to give Sustenance...
to the New Flowers
that know and respect ME...
as One of them... and for What I Am!
-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-
16368-1981
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 5
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 94 18:19 +0300
From: Rickie.A.Slater@Dartmouth.EDU (Rickie A. Slater)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Frame of mind.
Message-ID: <26080094181917@HUJIVMS>
--- You wrote:
Many who are wiser
that the rest of us caution that we need to be more still, quiet,
less chatty and allow the wisdon to speak to us. When will we ever learn?
--
Drop a Pebble on the Beach and Shake a Star
Suzanne Toomey Spinks, Buffalo NY USA
Planet Earth
####
--- end of quoted material ---
I have a little personal experience here that might shed some light
on the question of "when will we ever learn" (sounds like a line from a
song).
Experiences that are beyond my comprehension cause me to step back
and slow down. I don't just mean my (head) brain comprehension either, but
also my abdominal brain (solar plexus) which is the center of my soul. I have
read very little mention here of understanding being a whole body experience
but to me it is.
Our preoccupation with feeling safe and secure prevents new
experiences which will cause us to learn. Do something different and perhaps
"unlike yourself" today and allow your soul to live.
I am sure that this is only the tip of the iceberg but I have little
time to post messages and just felt like starting up a discussion that wasn't
so rational as thinking. I believe we all use our heads too much and our soul
and emotions too little. Just my 2 cents worth.
Rick
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Topic No. 6
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 94 18:50 +0300
From: lugo0001@gold.tc.umn.edu
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Phillip Berg's work
Message-ID: <26080094185023@HUJIVMS>
Hello all,
I too am interested in the Kabbalah as mentioned previously by C.B.
Willis. I first heard of the Kabbalah when taking an intro to judaism
class with professor tzee zahavy and then came across the kabbalah again
in a book on the 5000 year history of judaism. I was interested in the
mysticism and the aura which surrounds the kabbalah and i am curious as
to why it disappeared as a practice in the 17th century. I am simply
interested in mysticism and spirituality in general also.
chris lugo
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MOCHIN Digest 90
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Welcome to the Network...!
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
2) Re: musical trivia
by Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
3) Re: potential...explained
by Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
4) Re: Frame of mind.
by Mike Gurstein <mikeg@nywork2.undp.org>
5) Re: Creation will NEVER end...!
by stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 94 20:14 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Welcome to the Network...!
Message-ID: <27080094201429@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To C. B. Willis... Welcome...!
To Rick and his whole body experiences in feelings.
C.B. Willis >> I was interested in the group description as I am studying
Phillip Berg's work in Kabbalah, creation theory, and luminous emanations.
Anyone else here into this material? I'd like to know you.
Gerardus here: No I'm not in it C.B. but I'm interested. When was the book
written and printed and maybe you could give us a "book review" of this book.
Ten lines might be sufficient. Anyway, it's just a thought....
Well, and in order to get to know some of us, I suggest you stick around and
read our creations. Some of them stagger the Universe! ... others collapse it
almost... Haheho...
What's your first name CBW? Cornelius?
=====================================================
Hello Rick!
You said: >> Experiences that are beyond my comprehension cause me to step back
and slow down. I don't just mean my (head) brain comprehension either, but also
my abdominal brain (solar plexus) which is the center of my soul. I have read
very little mention here of understanding being a whole body experience but to
me it is. <<
Gerardus: What you describe is absolutely so! I feel that our Soul or our
Collective Experiences or our Subconsciousness is recorded all over our body.
Our body is the Hard Disk of our Collective Experiences. Some of us are more
than just a head person. The idea that we live from within our head is a kind
of a limited one anyway, for LIFE is the encounter of Total Energies of which
some, as in Humans, have self-awareness.
When two "people" or two "Aware Energies" meet, we encounter the whole Being as
such... body and all. Naturally when we have become more sensitive we feel
these other Energies or Experiences in our whole body! That's why when we meet
certain conditions our whole body becomes sick or joyful all of a sudden. We
either puke or jubilate. Anyway, if you want to discuss this further I am
game... how about you? Our Brains are a holographic transducer to mobilize
our body I feel. Our entire body is the more Complete Hologram or Image of TIL.
(TIL = The Infinite Light) Funny thought I have here: TIL is my abbreviation
or invention! Hahaha...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
------------------------------
Topic No. 2
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 94 20:26 +0300
From: Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: musical trivia
Message-ID: <27080094202612@HUJIVMS>
Gerardus,
Have you ever heard of a song by the Doors called "Universal
Mind"? It's on their Doors in Concert album. Interesting how his view
of the universal mind seems to be opposed to yours.
Here's the lyrics:
I was doin time in the universal mind,
I was feelin' fine.
I was turnin keys,
I was settin' people free.
I was doin' alright.
Then you came along
With a suitcase and a song,
Turned my head around.
Now I'm all alone,
With no place to call my home.
I'm the freedom man, (repeats twice)
Oh how lucky I am.
(repeats first 8 lines)
(changes to)
Now I'm so alone,
Just lookin for a home,
In every place I see.
(repeats first 8 lines again then...)
Now I'm so alone
Just lookin for a home,
In every face I see.
I would find it interesting to hear your views on (besides the
idea that he was burnt out) why he felt still lost if he found the
universal mind. (perhaps another version like the standard paridigm is
what he meant) My main question is did you ever feel lost in your search
and what clarified things for you besides a past paradigm. The things
you describe are a step above and to find these requires a complete
removal from and re-alignment to the norm, if you know what I mean (and
I'm sure you do). Please enlighten the general reader as to how you did
(for lack of any better word) this. I feel it might help. There's only
so much happiness a person can take without seeing it themselves before
they get bored and call you a nut. People like tools and practices even
though as I have suggested the point is to transcend this.
Attempting to assist,
In love and flourescant lighting,
Steve Genders
------------------------------
Topic No. 3
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 94 20:30 +0300
From: Steve Genders <cuseg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: potential...explained
Message-ID: <27080094203010@HUJIVMS>
> Dear ShellY and all,
> ShellY asked me to explain the following quote that I posted, and
> it struck me that it is fairly vague. WHen I wrote it, it seemed
> profound to me, but then I don't think like most people. I explain:
>
> >
> > Steve-- "Potential is the illusion created by a selfish need to continue
> > being attached to the world. Freedom is the elimination of
> > potential through detached action creating everything. Potentials
> > must be found, freedom is THE inactive act."
> >
> > Wow! What's it all mean?
> > What do you mean by "potential"? "detached action"? How is freedom "THE
> > inactive act"? Hm... freedom in the sense of nirvana, i.e. total detachment
> > from the worldly chains that bind? Enlighten me, please...
> >
> > ShellY
> >
>
> Potential is the illusion created by a selfish need to continue being
> attached to the world.
>
> Everyone seems to think that we are in a state of Being that is
> less than some ideal state of Being. Thus, progress would mean growth
> toward this higher form. To sum up my, and I believe most of Gerardus'
> thought, we exist on all levels simultaneously. The only problem is that
> for most people their attention is focused only on one level. Imagine a
> spectrum of vibrational energy. Our eyes see one range of frequencies,
> so do our ears. Our intellect, as it is formed through interaction with
> our environment specifies itself to such a degree that it slowly
> specializes due to socialization and institutions and ideas like
> practicality and duty, etc. This limiting of view is what most people
> deem their Being. To escape this, one must learn to widen their field of
> view so to speak. To a person with a limited view, this would be defined
> as potential because widening of the view is progress toward something.
> In truth it is not, just a clearing of mental garbage. This garbage is
> the imposed (always self-imposed) attachments to a certain way of seeing
> the world. When this is cleared one realizes that all ideas like
> potential, progress, saving, etc. mean nothing in the great context.
> This can cause one to cry or laugh or experience many other emotions. All
> of which are "progressive" in the traditional sense (often called
> "coping-strategies" in the psychological sense), but are actually acts in
> the truest sense.
>
>
> "Freedom is the elimination of potential through detached action
> creating everything."
>
> By removing garbage, one removes the potential energy trapped
> behind it, which becomes kinetic energy which only acts until acted upon
> by an opposing or redirecting force (to use physics style terminology).
> Because the action comes from the center of Being and not the result of
> energy diverted by "ideas" like qualities and features. It is direct and
> truest in the strongest sense. One's true as[ects can be seen and
> experienced because one alows oneself to Be with oneself in an
> un-fettered way. One does not choose, one is chosen. One responds,
> without thinking. One acts without acting.
Also, when one creates, one is choosing the way one wants to view
the world, thus adding one's worldview to the world as a sort of
template. This is often mistaken as a form of acceptance, but it is
not. I live in a world of my own creation. If I change a part of the
world, it is because it needed to be changed. otherwise, I leave it as
is, for I created it that way before. This, though having the same form
as acceptance, is not mere escapism, for I can only change what I can.
And that is all I can. The rest is what I would call a lesson (to use a
progressive word) for others who are still "growing".
> > "Potentials must be found, freedom is THE inactive act."
>
> Thus you see that potentials are found in the higher sense not noticed
> and chosen between in the lowest sense. When one lives most in the
> here-now, one does not think, one lives. This removes all concepts and
> their meaning, for these are again potentials. One just IS.
>
> Here's a poem I wrote that might help. (Creativity seems to be a
> side effect, though literature, as a form, is still limited in its
> ability to transcribe the experience.)
>
Being for a Man
There was a man, fair of face,
Coming down to fill his space.
Loss of choices makes him whole,
Lack of duty turns his soul.
Is he man or a more perfect kind?
Is he alive, or is it just his mind?
Written Oct. 8, 1993 (During or after)
Some Know,
Some Don't.
Some live,
Some won't.
With love and a cool black light,
Steve Genders
P.S. Here's some other older tid bits of mine that I thought might help
shake up the mix some. Drink responsibly. HAHAHAHAHAH! ;)
Violence is eternal, yet misunderstood. Is it as bad as
they say? No just misunderstood. Its understanding is the cure.
To understand is to pick oneself out of the world and realize
that one is not even of the world. To realize that the ingrained
ideas are what makes one of the world.
"People go into college and come out confused." (arrested
development) I hope so. If not, they're just continuing their
robotic existence, following in their father's disfunctional
footsteps.
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Topic No. 4
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 94 20:31 +0300
From: Mike Gurstein <mikeg@nywork2.undp.org>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Frame of mind.
Message-ID: <27080094203135@HUJIVMS>
Could you explain further about the "experiences" and the abdominal brain
Mikeg
> Experiences that are beyond my comprehension cause me to step back
> and slow down. I don't just mean my (head) brain comprehension either, but
> also my abdominal brain (solar plexus) which is the center of my soul. I have
> read very little mention here of understanding being a whole body experience
> but to me it is.
> Our preoccupation with feeling safe and secure prevents new
> experiences which will cause us to learn. Do something different and perhaps
> "unlike yourself" today and allow your soul to live.
> I am sure that this is only the tip of the iceberg but I have little
> time to post messages and just felt like starting up a discussion that wasn't
> so rational as thinking. I believe we all use our heads too much and our soul
> and emotions too little. Just my 2 cents worth.
> Rick
>
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Topic No. 5
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 94 20:34 +0300
From: stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Creation will NEVER end...!
Message-ID: <27080094203400@HUJIVMS>
Dear Gerardus and ALL
It is 02:00 when I am finally able to look into my mail.
As I have to wake up eary in the morning, I will only relate to some of the
subjects you write.
I am very happy my letter did not offend you. Obviously, it was not my
intention at all.
>*!*Gerardus: Since I am but a beginner I do not know what "Tiqun Olam" means.
>What does
>it mean Peter? I have seen it before but I did not miss the meaning but now I
>do. Please tell me what it means...
"Tiqun Olam" means in Hebrew, "Fixing the World". Usually this begins by
the old oracles with
"Know Thyself". Probably this is the first step before one accepts
him/herself, or even more, love him/herself. If the hermetic axiom is truth
("As Above So Below") follows subsequently one allso knows, accepts and
loves ALL the univers.
>>> Peter: I miss the part of suffering in your letters. I have no doubt in my
>mind that you are a serious student in the spiritual matters. <<
>
>Gerardus: Do you like to suffer Peter? You miss it? when I do not write
>about it. Don't you have enough by seeing all the suffering in the world? You
>want to see me "suffer" as well? Well, you will not see me suffer in my
>letters, for I would have to pretend that I would be suffering and I am not a
>pretender anymore.
If asked, I describe myself as a hedonist and no mauchist who enjoying to
suffer. However, experience, understanding and History opens the EYE. When
that happens, unfortunately most conditioned "ideas" dissapear and another
reality reveals itself. A "no nonsens" reality.
>HOWEVER...! That does not mean that I am blind to the suffering in the
>world and for that matter the suffering going on among some people on this
>Network. Time and time again I'm reminded by them that I don't suffer enough or
>do not enough to change all the suffering in the world. You pain yourself in
>telling me!
I think that was a misunderstanding. I don't blame you for anything. The
only thing caused some negative reaction in me was the rosy colour I see
for my eyes when I read some of your statements.
I define Happyness as SEENG what's going on in me and around. Understand
things, having the Courage to take the responsability for your level of
understanding of the World, the Power to do something with it (in the sense
of self actualisation) and the Wisdom to apply your Powers in the right
circumstances without braking under the burden of knowledge.
>Tell me Peter: what did you do in the last two weeks to relieve the suffering
>in
>the world? Did you feed the poor? Did you help someone by counseling them how
>to suffer less... or more, because they like it. Did you relieve their
>suffering by telling them that they are the Greatest of the Greatest alive in
>this Universe. For they are the very God and Creator incarnated in a Human
>Form
>in order to participate in the Celebration of Life? Or do you tell them to
>focus their mind on suffering or the relief of it?
Not that I am allways a good boy, but as you happend to ask about the last
two weeks, I am very happy with my work. I started up an intervention and
research project aimed to reduce motor traffic accidents by about 15-20% by
the people involved in the program. (instead of a good, fundamental
research of Pavlov's reflexes as most steril minded "scientist" do in the
Ivory Tower"
Beside I managed to achive (in 2 meetings) significant improvements by one
my clients considered
and treated as incurable for the last 5 years. I am not allways so
successfull but the last two weeks, things went just great, and I am very
happy with myself. I have the power what I Will, even if is not allways
easy.
>We live in a Universe where each of us has Free will! I do not praise or
>blame you for doing what you are doing because I know that you are FREE! So
>therefore I do not think that anybody with a bit of knowledge about Freedom has
>to remind someone else that s/he does not suffer enough, because it does not
>show up in his letters. However, they have they freedom to do so!
I don't deny your freedom to do or do not do anything. I was just
wandering...how sincere is your letter or otherwise how realistic?
By any means, I don't want you to suffer.
>Anyway Peter... I love you for I let you be what YOU want to be! I let you
>be Free! Free to suffer from seeing so many suffer! I let you, because I
>understand some of the Human Mind and its conditioning. I let you, because I
>understand (which is Love)!
I would appreciate if you would grant me allso the freedom to be happy.
About Love: the kind of love that gives place only to suffering is not the
one I like. Actually I try to avoid it as much as humanly possible.
I am not in the "Jesus the Christ" consciousnes bussiness. If I would
consider him as a "model" I would be crucified 3 years ago. ( I am 36 -)
There is time to love and there is time to hate...
Yes, I HATE THOSE BLOODY BASTARS SONS OF BITCHES OF THE NAZIS KILLED 11
PEOPLE OF MY FAMMILY
and yes I HATE THOSE BLOODY BASTARS SONS OF BITCHES OF THE COMMUNISTS WHO
"NATIONALIZED ALL OUR PROPERTIES and finally yes I HATE ALL ONESIDED DOGMAS
FORBIDING THE FREEDOM OF THOUGHT
and Yes I WILL FIGHT THAM WITH ALL MY POWER. (NO GUILT FEELINGS)
There is not much left over to LOVE, you may say. You are perfectly right.
80% of the world population is a dangerously ignorant mass of followers. (
I feel sorry for tham) 20% are
mentally retarded, an 15% of the last 20 % are geniuses closed up in mental
institutions together with the retarded or otherwise killed socially as
being "dangerous, desruptive elements in society".
YES I LOVE ALL THE GREAT MASTERS WHO BROUGHT ABOUT FREEDOM WITH THEIR
GENIUS, COURAGE,CREATIVITY AND PERSEVERENCE: MOSES, FREUD, MASLOV, CROWLEY,
REGARDIE, MOZART, ALEXANDER THE GREAT, . I LOVE MY FRIENDS AND SOULBROTHERS
ALL OVER THE WORLD,
I LOVE MY PARENTS, WIFE AND SON. Probably nobody in the world knows and
respects me more than MYSELF, and that qualifies MYSELF to be my best
friend I LOVE FIRST OF ALL.
Sorry for all those capital letters.
>I used to be a Roman Catholic and this religion made me feel guilty about
>myself. They also conditioned me to believe that I lived in the Valley of Tears
>and that I was a sinner. For unknown reasons I had nailed this man on a cross!
>Heaven was closed and now that this Man stood up again the door was opened
>again. Well, I do not believe that anymore because I've grown a bit. Anyway,
>about this Valley of Tears - I have never seen you in that Valley but I think
>that we just missed each other. By the time that I left it, you must have
>entered it.
I spent my share of time there as you may read between my lines.
>As a matter of fact I wish that someone would climb on his/her keyboard and
>give me a load or two. If I get it... I deserve it! It keeps me on my toes,
>spiritual toes that is...
If that was a load, I hope you get out the best of it. Consider the fact
that I reacted on some of your ideas a sign that I care, eventhough we may
not understand each other correctly.
As it is 03:00 I go to bed.
The Power Be With You ALL
Peter
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MOCHIN Digest 91
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Hello Peter and other Great GodBeings!
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
2) mind & Mind
by MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
3) essence theory
by <MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il>
4) S.E.N. review of PM
by <MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il>
5) Musical Trivia
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 94 11:59 +0200
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Hello Peter and other Great GodBeings!
Message-ID: <28080094115957@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Peter and his questions...
Peter: >> I am very happy my letter did not offend you. Obviously, it was not my
intention at all. <<
Gerardus: The same from me to you Peter! Or whatever one says to reverse
the compliment or ouch!
---------------------------
Peter: >> "Tiqun Olam" means in Hebrew, "Fixing the World". Usually this begins
by the old oracles with "Know Thyself". Probably this is the first step before
one accepts him/herself, or even more, love him/herself. <<
Gerardus: Yeah Peter that's right - Thank you! Somebody else told me. I
think it was dear Jan! Working as ever naturally. Seriously!
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Peter: >> However, experience, understanding and History opens the EYE. When
that happens, unfortunately most conditioned "ideas" dissapear and another
reality reveals itself. A "no nonsens" reality. <<
Gerardus: Yes I agree with both brains! No "Nonsense Reality" for me
includes a hilarious feeling of Grace and Freedom. It means: I help and share
where I'm at! I'm here! (In good old Eskimo-Land where it is too cold for
Dutch Guys like me in the winter! Brrrr!) I'm not in Africa feeding the
Tootsies or whatever they are called. They have chosen their path, (maybe
unconsciously) I have chosen mine, (consciously) and Jan and You have chosen
yours as well consciously I hope, well at least for now. I think that's Great!
Choice is what it is all about.
--------------------------------------------------
Peter: >> The only thing caused some negative reaction in me was the rosy color
I see for my eyes when I read some of your statements. <<
Gerardus: I don't know what you mean by this. You mean you have mine
rose-colored glasses on? Or are your lenses negative reactionary mirrors?
Please explain a bit more...
I cannot do anything at this time for anybody else, but for myself and the
people who read my half baked Cookies and missives, I can do a lot! I write
them like I bake them or in reverse. I see them like I wrote them and baked
them before. What's going on, my keyboard is wacky!
I know what it is, it reflects its master! Anyway, I was quite surprised
when many people wrote to me that they liked my upbeat style. You see, I have
become an upbeat guy! I dropped all seriousnesses and their mothers.
*!*I'm used to my style now and I think it's perky to say the least. My style
naturally reflects my moods and Feelings in Graceland (Elvis Died and I own it
now) and I'm glad it is liked by many. After all, it's quite the twist for I
have to pay for their entertainment! Everyone is welcome however, for WHATEVER
I write. You might as well like it; You have to read it anyway!
-------------------------------------------------------
Peter: >> I am not always so successful but the last two weeks, things went just
great, and I am very happy with myself. I have the power what I Will, even if is
not always easy. <<
Gerardus: THAT's ahhsome to hear Peter! Congratulations! Whose letters
have you been reading lately? Maybe this effervescent is contagious? Good for
you! Check your biorhythm! My moods go with them quite a bit. Another thing
is that there is a lot of Magnetic Energy from Jupiter and other places that
affect Earth and its people a lot. One could feel dead tired and all one has
done is blow one's nose. Well, mine is big, so there!
I hope this feeling of Goodness surrounds you for the rest of your stay here
Peter. Let it radiate and sprinkle it around please...
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Peter: >> I don't deny your freedom to do or do not do anything. I was just
wandering...how sincere is your letter or otherwise how realistic? <<
Gerardus: Hmmm? ... how sincere is my letter? Hummm? ..how realistic?
Beats me Peter? What do YOU think? I'm only a little bit enlightened mixed
with a lot of dark-density surrounded by an aura that stares a lot. I would say
that my letter, if you need a description, is 100% sincere and 100% realistic!
As a matter of fact, I wrote what I felt like at that moment and I even thought
that you must be quite the guy to take it like it is. The Truth! Many people
can't handle it. They feel that there is something wrong with the other guy!
I felt that my message was straight to the point and if I would get a letter
like that, I would wonder what I had written this guy and check a copy of it.
It was a straight forward piece of my mind, brilliant as ever and working at
full speed amidst the glowing shadows of my colored but yet unpolished halo.
Your questions are kind of unexpected... I function from where I'm at. I
share some of my philosophy and many people like it. This means that these
People have attained the Level I have. This is Great! They did it! They did
it all by themselves! And now that they see my writing they say; this guy's a
gas and he seems to have an answer for everything. Naturally I have, for my
intuitive channels are wide open. And people recognize that for what it is...
Truth of a first class order! Straight from the Mouth of God. Alias Gerardus!
---------------------------------------------------------
Peter:>> I would appreciate if you would grant me also the freedom to be happy.
<<
Gerardus: Happiness is the Path Peter. There is no road to it! So be happy
in whatever you do! I do not only grant you to be happy, but I give you my
Blessing as well! Here it is: -----> Blessing <-----
--------------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~
Then Peter, we come to the outburst... in Caps. I do not want to repeat it
because you wrote it when it was late and you were tired.
All I'm going to say about it is this: Life includes being born in many
places. And I feel that all of us are born wherever we can learn the most!
You then, were born in the right spot, in the right family, etc. etc. Now!
Whether or not you before hand selected this birth or not I do not know, but
still, now that you are here, you have learned more than enough to know that we
cannot grow unless we forgive and forget. Might this be YOUR lesson?
Forgiving reflects understanding - which is Love. Loving your son and wife and
your parents is perfect but this might be influenced by some kind of sentimental
feeling. True love does not include sentenmentality. True Love understands! I
was born in Holland and lived through the German occupation.
Also, I understand your Capitals but I do not agree with the concept they reveal
to me. I might not be the greatest lover, but I do not hate anyone, for all
Mankind is ME! I do not hate myself! I love myself and try to love all others
as much as I love myself... we are all One!
'nuf said!
---------------------------------------------
Peter: >> Consider the fact that I reacted on some of your ideas a sign that I
care, eventhough we may not understand each other correctly. <<
Gerardus: As soon as you and I understand each other totally, it means that
we are able to live the other person's life. No, we have not reached that point
yet, but ponder about this: When you and I agree on all we say; none of us has
learned anything! And one of us then is redundant!
Thank you for responding Peter...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 2
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 94 15:56 +0200
From: MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: mind & Mind
Message-ID: <199408281359.JAA04518@nysernet.ORG>
21 Elul, 5754
Dear Mochin list friends,
Before I get started, I'd like to thank all of you for your
participation, active and passive. I am glad of the blend of
seriousness and joyfulness. Not only doesn't one exclude the
other but I personally believe that they are interdependent.
I am particularly interested in the embryonic, experiential
thread recently begun. This can remind us of the cosmic reality
of the vital "cyberspace" in and around us which is the locus of
our existence and where we experience ourselves and the world.
It is the place where matter and spirit meet, resulting in the
Mind that we are. In this notion of Mind is implied all the ways
in which we modulate energy including thought feeling and bodily
sensation and the higher functions (Mochin) into which these can
fuse.
Three people expressed interest in Dr. Philip S. Berg and
Kabbalah. Dr. (Rabbi) Berg is the dean of the Kabbalah Center,
otherwise known as the Research Centre of Kabbalah which has
many branches throughout the world. Dr. Berg has written a
number of easy-to-read books for beginners that have been
translated from English into several languages. He has also
translated a number of holy works (focusing mainly on Lurianic
and Ashlagian Kabbalah) into English from the original Hebrew.
Although nothing can substitute for the multi-leveled experience
of reading the original, essential Hebrew, Dr. Berg's
translations are, to my mind, the best around. I haven't
received a booklist from the Center for some time but I do own
most if not all of what he has published and can recommend
specific books to you if you contact me privately with your
specific needs. Better still, write directly to the Center
asking for their booklist, etc.:
The Research Centre of Kabbalah
200 Park Avenue, Suite 303
New York, NY 10166
or
P.O. Box 14168
The Old City
Jerusalem
Israel
New York: 718/805-9122
Los Angeles: 213/475-7079
Toronto: 416/631-9395
Montreal: 514/342-9366
Paris: 43726370
etc.
The Kabbalah Center is one of several schools based on the
teaching of Rabbi Yehuda Leib Ashlag, zts"l (of blessed memory).
Significant controversy surrounds Rav Berg's operation, partly
because it has grown so much larger than all the others
combined, partly because it is open to non-Jews and partly for
other reasons. Detractors are usually silenced by the
undisputable fact that Dr. Berg has brought thousands of Jews
back to Judaism through the "back door" of Kabbalah. I, myself,
am currently associated with the smallest of such schools having
just a handful of students.
The many complex and intricate tomes that make up Lurianic
metaphysics & cosmology and its equaly voluminous modern
interpretation by Rav Ashlag, boil down to what is sometimes
called "essence theory" and is the basis of much of the Project
Mind idea. I have made a very short (and most inadequate)
summary of a few of its cogent aspects that I shall try not to
forget to post to the list.
Since this list has grown very quickly lately, it is fair to
assume that many if not most newcomers are unaware of Kun's
Project Mind, its mind/matter proposals and it relationship to
this list. I shall therefore also post a recent mini-review it
received from SEN (the Spiritual Emergence[cy] Network),
including information for ordering.
I hope you will forgive me for not refering to any of you by
name. I often catch myself experiencing pleasure or displeasure
when I see my name in print. Impartiality, in this respect,
still eludes me and I imagine I am not alone in this, so I shall
make an effort to concentrate on the ideas and to the small
degree possible, leave personality aside. Please do not take
this as a directive or as criticism. It is simply an exercise I
shall try for myself.
Courage,
David S. Devor
Project Mind Foundation
(Mochin moderator)
| Scientists have yet to discover that science is the ultimate spiritual |
| endeavor in which the whole body must become an instrument of creative |
| vision serving holistic, abundance-generating, restriction-eliminating,|
| spirit-liberating, world transformation. - T.Kun |
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Topic No. 3
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 94 16:00 +0200
From: <MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: essence theory
Message-ID: <28080094160050@HUJIVMS>
The essence theory of creation is not simple but here are some
of its essentials, greatly simplified and schematicized:
1. All created (ex nihilo) entities are essence and the
substance of all essence is lack or "desire to receive." All
essences, like seeds, have the potential for integration with
reality by accomodating the light of reality (which created
them) according to the level of their materiality,
2. Human essence is stamped with the form called the "image of
G-d." We are microcosms, mirroring existence, and bearing
unlimited potential for removing the restrictions which limit us
on all levels, spiritual, psychological, social and physical.
The essence of this form is "desire to give" which implies
creative vision which can provide us with the images or maps of
reality we need to transform our environment into one that is
free of restriction and can support natural, holistic
development.
3. This creates a fundamental conflict in human nature. Half
wishes to be a beneficiary and the other half a benefactor.
Cosmology explains how and why this came to be.
4. This conflict separates us from one another and from the
light of reality that is meant to inhabit us. These two
tendencies, receiving and giving, create four and only four
modalities of existence.
a) receiving for the sake of receiving = greed and crime.
b) giving for the sake of receiving = commerce and materialism.
c) giving for the sake of giving = pure giving (altruism) which,
beyond sacrificing our very existence is impossible since, as
empty vessels, we cannot give without receiving.
d) receiving for the sake of giving = the channel we were meant
to be and the key to unlimited creativity and participation
in reality.
5. Essence has many layers, like an onion. The outer layers
concern what we all have in common. The inner layers pertain
increasingly to our particularities. Desire and thus the
capacity for integrating with reality which likewise has many
levels from sleep to waking distraction through subjective
consciousness all the way to objective consciousness,
omnsiscience, omnipotence and immortality. The layers of essence
have names which are counted from the top down. The fractions of
the light of reality destined for these layers are named from
the bottom up. This is because the coarsest fractions of light
first enter the finest layers of essence as the light of reality
begins to penetrate us.
6. Intuition, particularly active in adolescence, permits
precocious knowledge of the contents of the inner layers so that
we can know our deepest desires, and the assignation they imply,
and work towards it.
7. The "realization" of a given layer of essence, through the
alignment of its (incarnate) desires into a channel is called
"Being" and connects it with reality. Essence and all of reality
is hierarchized according to the the human form (image of G-d).
8. The most exterieur, least resistant, least individualizing
layers of essence can be realized, to some extent, through
artificial self-directed effort that has very little of giving
in it. This is the basis of what is usually "spiritual work" and
serves the discovery of Being and our potential for integrating
with reality. This stage corresponds to childhood where
selfishness is justified as investment for the future.
9. Realizing the more individualizing layers requires
substantial confrontation and friction with outer reality and
eventually with material reality for the purpose of fusing with
it. Ultimately, everything exterior must be integrated and
interiorized. This is possible thanks to the increasingly
powerful desires which make up the inner layers. Pursuing the
desire of our assignation against the resistive and restrictive
forces of material reality align the "desire to receive" with
the "desire to give" and allow contact with reality of a very
high order.
10. The result of these efforts is, necessarily, world
transformation since the material world in which we live is the
essence of restriction against which we were created to labor and
free ourselves.
"Mind" refers to essence that has encorporated some fraction of
light within it. Soul or spirit (while they have technical
definitions), taken in the most general way, refer to specific
fractions of the light of reality destined for a given level of
essence for a given individual. The level of mind is determined
by the fraction of light which it inhabits.
Incidentally, this fusion of essence and light called "mind," in
Kabbalah, is called "Mochin."
Blessings,
David
Project Mind Foundation
Materialism is the unconscious conviction that existence
is substantially physical. Just as the restriction of mind
by matter occludes mind, the restriction of matter by mind
reveals mind. - T.Kun
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Topic No. 4
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 94 16:02 +0200
From: <MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: S.E.N. review of PM
Message-ID: <28080094160227@HUJIVMS>
S.E.N. REVIEW of PROJECT MIND
The following is Alilah Renwick's review of the book PROJECT MIND by
T.Kun upon which the Project Mind Foundation is based. This review
appeared in the spring 1994 issue of the newsletter of S.E.N., the
Spiritual Emergence/Emergency Network based in Soquel California.
(S.E.N. assists those going through spiritual awakening and who are
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------------------------------
Topic No. 5
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 94 22:06 +0200
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Musical Trivia
Message-ID: <28080094220614@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Steve and his Song...
Steve: >> Gerardus, have you ever heard of a song by the Doors called
"Universal Mind"? <<
Gerardus: No Steve. I do not listen to radio or TV. All I watch sometimes,
is a bit of PBS and some occasional US or Canadian news?. Contemporary music is
not my bag, never was. However, some songs, no doubt, hit the truth here and
there. The first part of the song by the Doors you quoted to me, sounds as if
he is out of it. (drugs? - I don't know - never had any) The latter parts sound
lost. No wonder - if he was out of it.
Many contemporary songs make no sense to me. Do they make sense to you?
Apparently they make sense to a lot of other people who possibly make no sense
to themselves. That kind of world I am a complete stranger in and isn't me.
People nowadays have learned "how" to live, but few know "why"!
According to my understanding, the more you become aware of the Universal
Mind, the more you feel you belong. The universe makes sense that way! I do
not think that this song-writer found anything in and of the Universal Mind
except popularity maybe. I don't know the man, so I might be all wet here.
The entire Creation, visible and invisible, in my understanding IS the
Universal Mind in Action. IOW, we are always in it and of it. Cannot be
escaped from, but naturally in ignorance one can feel lost and lose it
altogether. I had another friend like that years ago. Tremendously
intelligent and also "aware". I had lost side of him and so I phoned his
father. His son Keith had left this place by taking his own life. Not an
intelligent act really, but as I understand it, we all do this once or twice and
then, well, we know that it does not help. We just will do it allover again,
right eventually. Waste of time and energy, and an insult to oneself! This
then, has to be overcome as well!!!
--------------------------------------
Steve: My main question is did you ever feel lost in your search and what
clarified things for you besides a past paradigm. <<
Gerardus: I understand your question, but I never felt lost! I felt very
alone for many years (ten maybe). I started out by discovering that there was
"something very important" to know. Nobody had these same feelings though, they
all felt fine. Anyway, this desire to know "whatever it was" became slowly but
surely less and less because I got to know more and more by reading what it was
all about. We are all "Sons of Gods" in the making! We slowly grow towards a
stage of understanding in which the entire puzzle falls into place. It's like
an infinite Jigsaw Puzzle. The more pieces one finds or gets into place, the
clearer the picture becomes. Eventually the picture becomes three dimensional
and by golly... there it is - the entire world and universe shows up. Naturally
I do not see the invisible, but I know that it is there. And a lot more as that
I now know of!
--------------------------------------
Steve: The things you describe are a step above and to find these requires a
complete removal from and re-alignment to the norm, if you know what I mean.
Gerardus: Yes! Once we awaken we find that we do not belong to this world
really, but that does not mean that we put ourselves above it! In the book
Gossip of God (should be there soon) there is a poem on page 35 and for now I'll
only repeat the first lines:
I am in this world so strangely.
For I am... and I am not
really on it.
And certainly not of it!
--------------------------
We are here in order to help ourselves by helping others! Be patient with
yourself for there is a lot hidden within, that will clarify itself when you
grow up. In the mean time, possibly rock the boat, but don't overturn it!!
Understand that 99.9% of the people you meet have not as much of anything as you
have. This does not make you more or better! You're only different and you are
here to make yourself understood. This means: try to speak on a level of the
one you speak with. Otherwise whatever it is you've got to say or teach is
wasted!
--------------------------------------------
Steve: Please enlighten the general reader as to how you did (for lack of any
better word) this. <<
Gerardus: Well, I think I did tell in the above, but in addition I would say;
have inner confidence, Spiritual Confidence I call it. Know that you Are
Forever! And let it enlighten the Inner. Sooner or later it will radiate the
outside and people might feel strangely attracted to you, love them in whatever
way they might be missing. All are Equals in God so to speak! Love them for
what they are! This is a life long task. Well, for me anyway!
-----------------------------------
Steve: >> People like tools and practices even though as I have suggested the
point is to transcend this. <<
Gerardus: Yes. Everybody is a different Image of the Source, so what other
people need is hard to tell. It's up to them to figure out what they have come
to do here. Only when we have reached the SuperHuman Status of a fully
Enlightened Person can we know where others truly are and what they need.
I hope that I have help in some way... Go in Peace and Smile...!
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
------------------------------
MOCHIN Digest 92
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Kabbalah
by stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
2) Re: I am all ears for you answer..
by stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
3) Kabbalah
by stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
4) Re: Kabbalah
by KONEIL@pimacc.pima.edu
5) Spiritual War???????
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
6) Re: Hello Peter and other Great GodBeings!
by stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
7) Re: S.E.N. review of PM
by stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
8) Re: Welcome to the Network...!
by Rickie.A.Slater@Dartmouth.EDU (Rickie A. Slater)
9) Cosmic Cookies - 005
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
10) Re: Frame of mind.
by Rickie.A.Slater@Dartmouth.EDU (Rickie A. Slater)
11) Re: Frame of mind.
by cbwillis@netcom.com (C. B. Willis)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 3:07 +0200
From: stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Kabbalah
Message-ID: <29080094030700@HUJIVMS>
>Hello,
>
>I'm the new kid on the MOCHIN block.
>
>I was interested in the group description as I am studying Phillip Berg's
>work in Kabbalah, creation theory, and luminous emanations.
>
>Anyone else here into this material? I'd like to know you.
>
>C.B. Willis
>cbwillis@netcom.com
>
----------------------------------
Hi CBW,
I am interested in Kabbalah, but not necessarily in the work of Berg. I
tried to read some of his work, but eventually I chose other sources of
information. This is no critique, only a personal choice, based on my
circumstances and fields of interests.
I am primarily interested in (Pragmatic) Science inspired by Kabbalah.
Science outside the Ivory Tower.
Nice to have you around, hope we can learn much from each other.
Peter
"One For All, All For One"
Peter Rozsa
E-Mail: stone@hacktic.nl
A.H.A. ( Academy of Hermetic Arts )
Nieuwe Hoofdhof 48,
1018 KM Amsterdam
The Netherlands
Phone: ..31-(0)20-6261601
------------------------------
Topic No. 2
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 3:03 +0200
From: stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: I am all ears for you answer..
Message-ID: <29080094030315@HUJIVMS>
>>Gerardus: Tell me Jan, what and how do you help the sufferers? Loud
>and clear, spell it out. How do YOU help them???
>
>One way is by being a member of the Project Mind Foundation.
>Another, is by "listening" as fully as I can. That is when I read
>something someone writes, I try to deeply understand that person and
>understand what it is they are really saying or what they really need
>to hear from me. I listen with all my heart, soul and means and try
>to answer with compassion, love and understanding.
>
>I would like to comment on your letter to Peter's letter titled -
>Creation will NEVER end.
>
>>Peter: On the other hand, I have the feeling that you are not aware
>of the suffering around. One who feels ONE with ALL must feel not
>only all the joy but all the sorrow of the world as his/her own.
>Consequently, one must channel all energy toward the Tiqun Olam at
>the level he/she is able to.
>
>>I miss the part of suffering in your letters. I have no doubt in my
>mind that you are a serious student in the spiritual matters.
>
>>Gerardus: Since I am but a beginner I do not know what "Tiqun Olam"
>means.
>
>If Peter doesn't mind, I would like to explain what I think Peter is
>saying. And I hope he will also join in here as I may not be that
>clear on this and his understanding of this is probably deeper than
>mine.
>
>Tiqun Olam means world change or world transformation. He is saying
>that in our deeds (which all affect the world) we should use
>compassion, understanding and joy as best we are able to.
>That we should use our heart as well as our mind. We should put all
>our energy into everything we do - that is do things with all our
>heart, soul and means.
>
>
>>Gerardus: Do you like to suffer Peter? You miss it? when I do not
>write about it. Don't you have enough by seeing all the suffering in
>the world? You want to see me "suffer" as well? Well, you will not
>see me suffer in my letters, for I would have to pretend that I would
>be suffering and I am not a pretender anymore.
>
>Not for you to suffer, but show compassion. Your writings express
>joy and humour but what he feels is missing is compassion. We should
>try to express through our minds and our hearts.
>>Gerardus: And if need be, what specific Actions would you like me to
>take?
>
>Well, there is great need.
>
>Perhaps you will use your talents to help Project Mind.
>
>Perhaps, listen a little deeper, and see what you hear.
Hi Jan and ALL,
I was very pleased with your reaction. Your comment on Tiqun Olam, as well
as on my emotional and cognitive impass with Gerardus with astonishing
accuracy. You are able to read between the lines. Great job Jan, thanks a
lot.
Further, your reaction stimulated me to elaborate on a very sensitive question.
The dangers of "Spirituality".
The effect of some "spiritual movements" is in fact production of big
masses of zombies.
No extreem emotions or ideas tolerated, in the name of the holly equilibrium.
Some even compare it with the nazis. (somewhat painfull maybe for the
fathers of some of those spiritually important movements taken out of their
context, systematically misinterpreted until the it was completely
neutralized and "defused" from all its power. In all spiritual traditions
is known the phenomen of pupils killing their master. See the relationship
between the father of Psychoanalysis, Sigi Freud and his disciple, Jung.
Some examples:
Freud came up with the Psychoanalysis (P.A.), opening up the big taboo,
"Box of Pandora", of the Unconsciousness and the use of Myths and
Archetypes as a means to discuss psycho-fisiology and psychopathology.
Jung had the duty as a disciple to let Freud's theory grow further, in
order to make P.A. evolv in a form of Psychotherapy used in the practice.
Unfortunately P.A. takes longer and longer in its evolution instead of
shorter and shorter. No sane inshurrance company would pay for a shrink if
he is doing P.A. once or twice a week for 5 years.
Another symptom is a general embargo on thinking, emotions, and responsability.
As a result, people must repress extreem emotions, pretend they are
just...mirraculously...not there, and a lanuage best described as
"politically correct", making social scientists a bunch of impotents, who
has to consult with lawyers instead of collegues about methodological
questions when it comes to "sensitive" subjects, like "gender differences
in driving skills" or "psychological problems of homosexuals", as if the
statement "homosexuals are human beings with problems
is discrimination.
Unfortunately, talking about those things in the university environment
means social and academic suicide.
I am waiting for the new DSM 4, the international Kodex of
Psychopathology, to laugh dead.
The last one was allready more than my face and stomack laughmuscles could
support reading more than 10 minutes a time.
There is so much to do... It's a war out there, a "Spiritual War", and my
will is to win this war.
My heart and intuition tells me that I am on the good track.
Thanks again Jan for inspire me with your wisdom to write this letter
I have to go now, it's late.
Greetings, Peter
"One For All, All For One"
Peter Rozsa
E-Mail: stone@hacktic.nl
A.H.A. ( Academy of Hermetic Arts )
Nieuwe Hoofdhof 48,
1018 KM Amsterdam
The Netherlands
Phone: ..31-(0)20-6261601
------------------------------
Topic No. 3
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 3:12 +0200
From: stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Kabbalah
Message-ID: <29080094031241@HUJIVMS>
>Hello all,
>
>I too am interested in the Kabbalah as mentioned previously by C.B.
>Willis. I first heard of the Kabbalah when taking an intro to judaism
>class with professor tzee zahavy and then came across the kabbalah again
>in a book on the 5000 year history of judaism. I was interested in the
>mysticism and the aura which surrounds the kabbalah and i am curious as
>to why it disappeared as a practice in the 17th century. I am simply
>interested in mysticism and spirituality in general also.
>
>chris lugo
Hi Chris,
I am interested in Kabbalah too. Specifically it's use in Science.
There is a widespread missunderstanding about the term Kabbalah. It did not
dissapeared in the 17th century. In fact this term was actually introduced
in the 17th century standing for ALL mystic traditions, of every school,
oral or writen.
As "a practice", kabbalah exists from ...the beginning, only the name
changes with the time and culture.
"One For All, All For One"
Peter Rozsa
E-Mail: stone@hacktic.nl
A.H.A. ( Academy of Hermetic Arts )
Nieuwe Hoofdhof 48,
1018 KM Amsterdam
The Netherlands
Phone: ..31-(0)20-6261601
------------------------------
Topic No. 4
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 11:58 +0200
From: KONEIL@pimacc.pima.edu
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Kabbalah
Message-ID: <29080094115833@HUJIVMS>
Disappeared in the 17th century? What form, Jewish or Christian?
Since Pico della Mirandola applied kabbalist hermeneutics to Christian wisdom
books in the 15th century, so-called Christian Kabbalah has been part of
virtually all gnostic movements - including the secular ones such as
rosicrucianism and freemasonry. By all accounts kabbalah is alive and well.
And we cannot forget Gershom Scholem's immense contribution, putting
Jewish kabbalah backc on the map as "respectible" for academic interest.
Ken O'Neill
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Topic No. 5
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 11:59 +0200
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Spiritual War???????
Message-ID: <29080094115948@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Peter and his Spiritual War Games...
In your communique to Jan, Peter, I read the following:
Peter: There is so much to do... It's a war out there, a "Spiritual War", and my
will is to win this war. My heart and intuition tells me that I am on the good
track.
(BTW: ...on the good track. Proper English is right track I think)
Gerardus: Spiritual Development in my view creates Peace and is a Peaceful and
Private Endeavour. If you experience a War out there, it is the reflection of
your thoughts or Inner Beingness. We all create our own reality Peter, how come
your reality includes War?
I am asking these questions in order to focus your thoughts on why your life
is the way it is. Fighting "Spiritual Wars and a will to win it", sounds kind
of fanatic to me.
Since I was born the country you live in now, I have a bit of a fanatic
energy in me as well. I think many Dutch people have some of that. Maybe they
are conditioned to this by the fact that they have to keep raising their Dijkes
in order to keep their head above water.
In any case, there might be two hundred different Spiritual Movements in
Holland indeed. What does that have to do with YOU? Let them! It's a free
world! Your movement is a Flight of the Alone to the Alone in or out of Program
Mind. Your dedication to PM is or ought to be "second" to your Spiritual
Endeavours. Unless you plan to sacrifice your life to this cause.
You might be a strong willed person, fine! But flexibility is more practical
and no doubt you are all that, if you're Dutch that is! Greetings...
BTW:
Waar is het Nieuwe Hoofdhof?
I leefde in Amsterdam from 1950 to 1956 Wytenbach Straat dightby the Artis.
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
------------------------------
Topic No. 6
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 12:01 +0200
From: stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Hello Peter and other Great GodBeings!
Message-ID: <29080094120135@HUJIVMS>
Hi Gerardus and All
Thanks for your letter. It was not easy to work myself throug, but I did my
best.
>Peter: >> The only thing caused some negative reaction in me was the rosy color
>I see for my eyes when I read some of your statements. <<
>
>Gerardus: I don't know what you mean by this. You mean you have mine
>rose-colored glasses on? Or are your lenses negative reactionary mirrors?
>Please explain a bit more...
I mean it feels like you ware rosy glases. I don't doubt your sincerity at
all. Not at the conscious level. The problem is, we tend to be influenced
bij social factors, confusing what we think or feel with what someone else
wants us to think, feel or say. The confusion must be resolved in order to
prevent a cognitive dissonance in us. As a result we sometimes end up
writing things we don't really feel, think deep in our hearts. It happens
even in the best fammilies.
>I hope this feeling of Goodness surrounds you for the rest of your stay
>here
>Peter. Let it radiate and sprinkle it around please...
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Then Peter, we come to the outburst... in Caps. I do not want to repeat it
>because you wrote it when it was late and you were tired.
>
>All I'm going to say about it is this: Life includes being born in many
>places. And I feel that all of us are born wherever we can learn the most!
>
>You then, were born in the right spot, in the right family, etc. etc. Now!
>Whether or not you before hand selected this birth or not I do not know, but
>still, now that you are here, you have learned more than enough to know that we
>cannot grow unless we forgive and forget. Might this be YOUR lesson?
>
>Forgiving reflects understanding - which is Love. Loving your son and wife and
>your parents is perfect but this might be influenced by some kind of
>sentimental
>feeling. True love does not include sentenmentality. True Love understands!
>I
>was born in Holland and lived through the German occupation.
>
`
>Also, I understand your Capitals but I do not agree with the concept they
>reveal
>to me. I might not be the greatest lover, but I do not hate anyone, for all
>Mankind is ME! I do not hate myself! I love myself and try to love all others
>as much as I love myself... we are all One!
>'nuf said!
>---------------------------------------------
I feel I am essentially Good , under most circumstances. Even when I fell
"Unacceptable Emotions". All emotions are natural.
I Love a lot more people than my fammily. Try and read my letter a bit more
carefully.
I feel I want you to understand something you have no any cognitive frame
of reference to do.
I am very happy with the place I was born in and the things I had to learn
as a consequence.
I learned, that 6.000.000 jews where exterminated, without having a chance
to defend thamselves. The Good Christian neighbours did very little to
avoid it.
I learned from my father, who saved with his knowledge in Kabbalah 3500
people from the "Labourcamp" in the Ukraines. The other 30.000 died.
I dont want to get into religious polemics, but the Christian and New Age
values are not
for me. I consider tham dangerous. Deadly dangerous for me and my
soulbrothers during the Hystory of mankind. (The Inquisition functions
today, just as good as before, only with much more sophisticated technics.
( Social, economic destruction of representatives of concurent ideas,
Psychiatric hospitals, jails, each country has one or aal of the social
trashcans.
Open any Hystory book and read how many people died in the name of Jesus
the Christ.
Holly inquisition, Crusades, Colonies.
When Ideas and Emotions are programmed, and deviants are executed, we talk
about ENEMIES.
If you don't want to see that, it's your business.
I think succeded to learned a lot of forgiveness in my life.
I forgive Jesus the Christ for preaching the jewels of jewish thought
creating a golem that killed him millions of times. Poor guy. His
punishment is watch the product of his "spiritual development". I even feel
compassion for him. Love would be too much.
I forgive the German Nation, for leting a monster take over and do what he did.
To ask me to forget is a crime or a total loss of empathy.
When I say Hatred, I mean the emotion of fear for your life in the
biological sense.
You may be a Nature friek, but imagine a snake is approaching you in the
forest. You are a person who even has great love for snakes. But you know
the viper will kill you if you let him to close, so you run if you can, or
if it is too late, you stap on his head. Yes my dear brother, right on his
head, as meny times as you can. Better ten times too much, than one time
less than enough. You will even consider preserving some energy, for if
other snakes might come. And you step again and again, becourse your
knowledge of fear is genetical. YOU survived, as a result of the natural
selection, becourse all your ancestors had this Hatred (fear) for snakes.
All the naive species who "Loved" the snake, as a sign of spiritual
development,
are extinct (Bloody Dead) today.
Well, this is the kind of feeling when I say I Hate. I hate every dogma or
person asks me doing things that will eventually harm me. Asking me to deny
my feelings, ideas, wishes, is non acceptance of me as a whole. I AM THAT I
AM with all of me.
We are All One, right. But only after one is ONE with all his feelings and
ideas. You seem to accept only about half of yourself. If you really don't
have ANY negative feelings, I would say you look better and find tham as
soon as you can. Those feelings have a bad habit. If frustrated from
consciousness, they tend to become psycho-somatic diseases.
Try this: Do you really love your mother in law?
See my response to the letter of Jan for detailes on why I consider"New
Age" dangerous.
Don't ever ask me again to cut my half, becourse you don't like it.
I hope you can use some of the information above, so I don't work for
nothing till 04:55 am.
Greetings, Peter
"One For All, All For One"
Peter Rozsa
E-Mail: stone@hacktic.nl
A.H.A. ( Academy of Hermetic Arts )
Nieuwe Hoofdhof 48,
1018 KM Amsterdam
The Netherlands
Phone: ..31-(0)20-6261601
------------------------------
Topic No. 7
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 17:40 +0200
From: stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: S.E.N. review of PM
Message-ID: <29080094174032@HUJIVMS>
> S.E.N. REVIEW of PROJECT MIND
>Interested parties may contact:
>
>David S. Devor, Exec. Director
>Project Mind Foundation
>8 Mevo Hamaavak
>French Hill tel: 972/2/814941
>Jerusalem 97877 fax: 972/2/823276
>Israel email: marshlu@vms.huji.ac.il
Hi David,
I am trilled by the SEN and PM.
Please tell me ALL about it.
At least I have the feeling I might find some soulbrothers. I was terribly
lonely with some of my ideas. I see I am not alone anymore. I am very
greatfull to you and all involved.
Greetings, Peter
"One For All, All For One"
Peter Rozsa
E-Mail: stone@hacktic.nl
A.H.A. ( Academy of Hermetic Arts )
Nieuwe Hoofdhof 48,
1018 KM Amsterdam
The Netherlands
Phone: ..31-(0)20-6261601
------------------------------
Topic No. 8
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 22:44 +0200
From: Rickie.A.Slater@Dartmouth.EDU (Rickie A. Slater)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Welcome to the Network...!
Message-ID: <29080094224423@HUJIVMS>
--- You wrote:
Anyway, if you want to discuss this further I am
game... how about you? Our Brains are a holographic transducer to mobilize
our body I feel. Our entire body is the more Complete Hologram or Image of
TIL.
(TIL = The Infinite Light) Funny thought I have here: TIL is my
abbreviation
or invention! Hahaha...
--- end of quoted material ---
Yup, I am game. Holographic transducer? Do you know any one syllable
words to explain what you mean? It's not that I am simple minded or
anything.honest.
I am fairly certain that since my 5 senses are all making electronic
impressions that I am involved in a type of picture show. One in which I can
not only see and hear but smell, taste and touch also. A very hich tech and
involving show that is not always what it appears to be.
Could you explain more about what you mean by TIL? Please use as many
one syllable words as possible. Maybe I can get the joke that way.
Work...Work...and Work somemore!
Rick
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Topic No. 9
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 22:46 +0200
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Cosmic Cookies - 005
Message-ID: <29080094224639@HUJIVMS>
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To One and All...
To Mind and Heart...
Cosmic Cookies - 005
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- Small Answers to Big Questions -
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Continuation from Cosmic Cookies - 004
ARE THERE DIFFERENT GRADES IN THIS COSMIC SCHOOL?
Yes... in a way... each lifetime is a different Grade. Although
not necessarily do we take all grades in successive order.
WHAT GRADE ARE YOU IN GERARDUS?
Life is infinite, so grades are role-assignments. My life has
become a continuous study with different lessons to learn. The
ultimate Human Lesson is to reach the Christ Consciousness. This
is the Level of Unconditional Love for All. This was the level
reached by Buddha, Jesus, Laotze and Krishna. At that level we
and the Father are One!
DO WE DETERMINE OURSELVES HOW FAST WE WANT TO LEARN?
Yes..! All human beings are individual Souls and the Soul is in
charge of what lifetime it wants or needs to live. We sometimes
have to wait until a certain lifetime situation comes around in
Earth Time. This waiting actually is "projection" in time.
WHAT IS A SOUL?
We Are The Soul! We do not have a Soul... we are IT! The body
is the expression of the Soul. The Soul or Christ Self is the
creator of the body and lives in it. The Soul is the universal
collection of thoughts that are gathered by living in the matter
world. By living on Earth... the Light Being or the Christ Self
slowly enriches itself in time with experiences or Souldom.
WHAT DID GOD CREATE?
God is not a creator. God IS Creation! The Light Beings or the
Christ Self of every person is the creator. Man is the creator!
Man creates all kinds of things... including pollution. Man is
the creator of its own Destiny. I classify all universal beings
as Man.
IF MAN IS THE CREATOR... WHY DON'T WE CREATE PERFECTION?
Man is a learning creator and the earth is his school. Whatever
Man creates he has to live in or with. We are learning how to
create more perfectly as we go along!
WILL WE EVER REACH PERFECTION IN OUR CREATIVE ABILITIES?
I hope not...! Perfection is a State of Mind or Consciousness
that cannot be reached. We can only come closer to perfection
but never really reach it. The State of Perfection is a static
state... a dead state! On the other Hand... life and creation
the way it is... is perfection!
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF RELIGIONS?
Religions are for people who feel the need to be saved. Religions
educate people up to a certain Level. After that... you're on your
own. Religions or similar institutions are psychological guidelines.
Many people have outgrown the religions.
DO THESE PEOPLE KNOW BETTER THAN THE RELIGIONS?
These people do not know better... they know differently. When you
have passed grade one in elementary school and you have reached
grade two or three it is useless to go back to grade one.
Life is lived individually... not en mass.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE POOR... AND OTHERS RICH?
We are born into families or situations in order to partake in
the different aspects of human life and see how we do. We are
born into circumstances that fit our needs precisely. We plan
it that way before we are born.
WHO REGULATES OUR PLACE OF BIRTH OR CIRCUMSTANCES?
We do! We as the Soul are in charge. There are many teachers
and guides in spirit form who help us choose your place and
family of birth.
HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN ON EARTH?
We have been involved with Planet Earth from the beginning. This
beginning was not really a beginning because there was no way by
which we could measure time. The experience of Time (and Space)
is a learned ability. We have been living on Earth for millions
upon millions of years in all kinds of bodies.
HOW COME SCIENTISTS DON'T KNOW THAT?
Scientists are in the process of discovering that we are the One
and Only Creator of the world we live in. The Universe or God is
Energy that can recognize its own thoughts and multiply them. We
are these thoughts and we are creators of thoughts. Our thought
creates the world we live in.
HOW DO YOU KNOW ALL THIS?
I am interested in knowing Who or What I am. I studied for more
than seventeen years and I have developed an intuitive mind. We all
are capable of doing the same thing. It depends what you want to
do with your life. I am a student of life. I am inclined to do
what I do. However, I am not more or better than others!
WHAT'S AN INTUITIVE MIND?
To have an intuitive mind means that one knows by intuition. An
intuitive mind is a meditative mind. It is able to receive what
it needs to know. A person like that is in contact with his Soul
or Christ Self. There are many people like that nowadays.
WHAT IS THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT?
The New Age... or New Age Movement is a personal affair and it
starts when you become curious about where you come from and what
you are supposed to do here. There is no specific time for this
New Age to begin. Buddha and Jesus the Christ were in the New
Age two thousand years ago.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD NOWADAYS?
There is nothing wrong with the World. The World is a school in
which we create our own lessons. It was designed to be that way
from the very Beginning. We learn from our mistakes. The world
is perfect the way it is.
WHY DO SOME PEOPLE SUFFER?
The purpose of our creation is to experience physical life. This
also includes suffering... murder... rape... and whatever else we
do not necessarily like or understand. Suffering is an aspect of
our creation. We have not learned yet... to learn without pain.
In our further evolutionary development pain and suffering will
be abolished from the concept of learning. It's up to us!
CAN WE SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORLD WE LIVE IN?
We experience what we create! This is the only way to recognize
that we need to change. Great changes are necessary in order for
us to continue living on Earth. Sometimes these changes include
great declines in the population of the earth. This might be one
of these times. It's not a problem... it's a change!
The Third Dimensional Phase will slowly be abolished in the near
future. We are entering into the Fourth Dimensional Phase of our
human evolution. Our future is brilliant! However we have to
pass through some very difficult times before the next phase can
take place. We as human beings are the bodily forms of the great
Light Beings we are. We are the creators and planners of our
human developments and triumphs!
This is the end of Cosmic Cookies - 005 please digest it.
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Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 10
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 94 0:04 +0200
From: Rickie.A.Slater@Dartmouth.EDU (Rickie A. Slater)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Frame of mind.
Message-ID: <30080094000419@HUJIVMS>
--- You wrote:
Could you explain further about the "experiences" and the abdominal brain
Mikeg
--- end of quoted material ---
Mike and fellow voyeurs,
I'd rather not try to relate specific instances with people that I
don't know and who do not know me. Most experiences can be explained and
taken many different ways and I would rather have as much control as possible
as to how I am being interpreted. Maybe if you e-mail me with more specific
questons I could make more attempts to explain myself better. Please don't
expect stories like those Carlos Casteneda (sp? tales of Don Juan and etc.)
tells because my life is not so adventurous. My original comment was intended
more to instigate a two way discussion than to tell a story.
The experiences in general involve feeling with the body. It is like
being aware of yet another sensation (sense) as you go through your
performance - sometimes there is something to sense and sometimes there is
little to nothing. It is speaking from your abdomen in a way that instead of
thinking before you speak you feel in your gut (solar plexus) before you
speak. The solar plexus is a nerve center 2nd only to the (head) brain and is
much more in touch with all of the cells of your body.
We have always known of it but we have also always been intimidated
into suppressing expresson from it to one degree or another probably
depending on race, nationality, social norms and etc. (if you are wondering
who "we" is - yes I am WAS_ [fill in the blank. it used to be P. I have no
religious preference these days]). I am sure this can be elaborated on in
better/more detail but it seems that these days if the effort doesn't earn or
save money I have limited time for it. Awareness of the solar plexus is an
everyday experience like smells, tastes, touches, sights and sounds that we
all experience but we do not all know how to talk about or to talk obout
constructively. It is all part of realizing we have more than five senses
that we are using.
Much in the same way that we are coerced into giving an outside
appearance which does not reveal the inside experience (ie. professionalism
*ha*) we are also coerced into suppressing the expression of our body's
center of life. You may have heard it said that some people had trouble
believing Elvis Presley was white because of his singing style. He promoted
singing from the gut. Have you ever heard the saying "Boy he/she has guts!".
There must be more sayings - anyone know any?
Hope this attempt at a rational explaination of a physical experience
works. I am not writing something that I have just read so I am trying to put
this into words from bits and peices of memory of past readings and personal
experience. Writing so much to a newsgroup is new to me also so please bear
with me and help me if I need it.
I hope in all this wordage I managed to give Mike what he wanted.
Rick
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Topic No. 11
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 94 2:07 +0200
From: cbwillis@netcom.com (C. B. Willis)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Frame of mind.
Message-ID: <30080094020728@HUJIVMS>
>
> --- You wrote:
> Could you explain further about the "experiences" and the abdominal brain
>
> Mikeg
"Abdominal brain" includes not only solar plexus, but also sacral center,
root center, and spleen center. Taken as a whole they yield a gestalt
that reflects to us what is true and false about what's happening in
particular case situations. It's a "bullshit detector". It tells us how
much power we can have, or whether our power is compromised, or by
empathy, whether another is allowed to have their natural power or
whether it's compromised, how much life is present in a situation or does
it have "no energy, no life, flat energy" and therefore no possibility of
manifesting, how practical is it, is our security at stake, and even a
glimpse at ramifications for the future and future generations.
- CBW
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MOCHIN Digest 93
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Cosmic Cookies - 005
by ZARATHU@aol.com
2) I'm all ears for your answer...
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
3) Re: Yes, Spiritual War!!!!!!!
by stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
4) Re: I'm all ears for your answer...
by Eric_Forster@lamg.com (Eric Forster)
5) Re: I'm all ears for your answer...
by cbwillis@netcom.com (C. B. Willis)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 94 16:26 +0200
From: ZARATHU@aol.com
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Cosmic Cookies - 005
Message-ID: <30080094162608@HUJIVMS>
It might be interesting to have others answer Gerardus' cosmic cookie
questions from other perspectives. They are wonderful and interesting
questions which have enlightening answers. Anyone interested in doing so?
Would you be offended by such a suggestion, Gerardus?(I KNOW.......of course
not, right?)
Eric
(yes Jan, I'm still here.)
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Topic No. 2
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 94 16:27 +0200
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: I'm all ears for your answer...
Message-ID: <30080094162724@HUJIVMS>
To Gerardus and everyone,
>Gerardus: How do I help the suffering Jan?
>Jan: One way is being a member of the Project Mind Foundation
The above quote of mine was in answer to you asking me what I do.
I did not say you should be a member. I only suggested at the end of
my post that perhaps some time you might help.
>Gerardus: But understand that many are not that keen on joining a
semireligious group. You are going to have many disappointments and
serious dilemmas of inner questions to over come. Am I doing the
right thing? Why am I doing this to myself? Am I listening to the
Inner or have I been listening to a lot of good sounding words?
Anyway, it's your life! Minds you see Jan, are the dividers of
Mankind and hearts are the embracers.
I hardly think Project Mind could be considered a religious group.
Project Mind is a pilot project and model for the realization of
holistic science which will produce non-polluting technologies.
We are not looking for many. Only the specific ones who know that
they have a role to play in discovering the secrets of nature and
applying them to science for non-polluting technologies.
Anyway, I've never joined anything since the Brownies. I am very
much a free wheeler. I am doing exactly what I want to do.
I am a member of PM so that I can help PM in the way I want to. I
have no questions to overcome. I am in total agreement with Project
Mind and have been from the start.
I KNOW that I am doing exactly what I am supposed to be doing.
(if I had any doubts I wouldn't be doing it)
And it brings me great joy. That is where joy comes from, from
fulfilling your purpose in life.
Of course we need to have balance.
We are intellect, heart and bodily sensations combined. This is how
I know that I am doing exactly what I should be doing - it feels
right.
>Jan: It is really not possible to eliminate the suffering in the
world as the world exists right now. All we can do is ease it some.
I've been saying this all along. It is possible to only ease
suffering now because we have little control over "matter". Once we
discover the secrets of nature and manipulate matter to provide
abundance material possessions will have no value to us.
Then suffering will be eliminated.
>Gerardus: as of yet I do not see that we need to give Man
anabundance of material stuff to win them over to become Spiritual.
The Universe works by the way of Needs. Not by; what would you like
today Sugarbowl?
>Gerardus: Yes, I am all in favor of an Enlighten Society with an
abundance of material goodies. But this is in the making already
anyway, with the entrance of the New Age to come, after the world has
fully absorbed the higher frequency rates and higher vibrational
effects of its population. That's why we need joy...
The problem is that we cannot rise very much spiritually in this
world of material restriction. And the longer we continue to go on
the way we are the more polluted the world is going to become.
If it keeps up a point will come where there will be no turning back
- the pollution will have gone too far. I think we are dangerously
close to this now.
The result of holistic science will be material abundance. Sounds
like a pretty good bonus to me. Be nice for a change. And there
sure is enough spiritual need to take up the slack.
>Gerardus: We need to anticipate and charge ourselves with a body
full of humour. Many of us know that future times are going to be a
bit rocky now and then. So to have the time of your life now is a
wise thing to do.
I kind of think that the future is going to be better than the
present. We should definitely enjoy every day but this is not the
purpose of life. Joy comes from fulfilling our purpose in life.
>Gerardus: I will try to listen a little deeper, and see what I hear.
Do I use my ears or my eyes for that one?
I guess you use both!
Happy traveling to you too Gerardus!
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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Topic No. 3
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 94 17:47 +0200
From: stone@hacktic.nl (peter rozsa)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Yes, Spiritual War!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <30080094174721@HUJIVMS>
Hi Gerardus and ALL,
I'd like to comment on your letter "Spiritual War???????
I'll try to ignore some of your comments, that show some inability of
empathy. It is quite natural, we are from different backgrounds.
To begin with some quick remarks:
-I live in Amsterdam, but I am not dutch, and don't intend to become one.
It is better for me and the dutch people if I remain as I am.
I love to byke, but in Israel I allso loved to byke. That much I am dutch.
The reason for this is, that I don't belive in total assimilation. I belive
more in "Unity in Diversity". Amsterdam is a great place in this respect,
people are open to learn from each other.
>In your communique to Jan, Peter, I read the following:
>
>Peter: There is so much to do... It's a war out there, a "Spiritual War", and
>my
>will is to win this war. My heart and intuition tells me that I am on the good
>track.
>(BTW: ...on the good track. Proper English is right track I think)
-Thanks for your English lesson. I'd prefer however if you would relate to
the content instead of the package. ( "Don't look at the can but at its
content" Rabi Akiva, )
>Gerardus: Spiritual Development in my view creates Peace and is a Peaceful and
>Private Endeavour. If you experience a War out there, it is the reflection of
>your thoughts or Inner Beingness. We all create our own reality Peter, how
>come
>your reality includes War?
Probably, becourse I am realistic about what is inside me and outside me.
Ignorance of the reality is called darkness. Darkness brought many many
pain to mankind.
If I have to use a METAPHOR, there is allways a war between light and
darkness "inside" as well as "outside" us.
>I am asking these questions in order to focus your thoughts on why your
>life
>is the way it is. Fighting "Spiritual Wars and a will to win it", sounds
>kind
>of fanatic to me.
My life is great as it is. Yes it is fanatic, ok. But that's an integral
part of me.
Those I LOVE and consider my "Soul Brothers" have done something for
mankind. Take Sigi Freud.
Quite a fanatic. He sacrifised his carrear, commiting academic and social
suicide fighting to introduce his revolutionary theories in a very dark,
fanatic victorian Vienna. Obviously his theory was LIGHT. His point came
across. At least part of it to me. SOME of his Spirit is in My Spirit.
He is immortal, at least as long as I live. (and i think many others)
He was (in my oppinion) the MESSIA of his time in his enterprise.
He was in a state of "War" with the whole establishment. He had great
difficulties fighting all the resistance for his theory, but he had the
courage, knowledge and spiritual power to resist it
without the slightest compromise.
>Since I was born the country you live in now, I have a bit of a fanatic
>energy in me as well. I think many Dutch people have some of that. Maybe they
>are conditioned to this by the fact that they have to keep raising their Dijkes
>in order to keep their head above water.
If I was born again, I would chose the same setting. I could never become
what I am if something was different in my past and I really like what I
am. Is that a problem.
I have learned fanatic will to live from History. Not all israelis will
agree with me, but I am that sort of a fanatic, that served in the army. I
don't belive in a World of Good Samaritans" that will jump and help my
people if another hitler will come to power? Not many show up in the second
World War, not for 6.000.000. and my fammily anyway. Israel is for me the
great example for Will to survive.
>In any case, there might be two hundred different Spiritual Movements in
>Holland indeed. What does that have to do with YOU? Let them! It's a free
>world! Your movement is a Flight of the Alone to the Alone in or out of
>Program
>Mind. Your dedication to PM is or ought to be "second" to your Spiritual
>Endeavours. Unless you plan to sacrifice your life to this cause.
You are right. To use a softer term, Commitment. I am fully commited to my
goals. I Love that part in me too.
I thing I "sacrifice" my life to my goals. In my view a life without a goal
is not worth living. All people who entered Immortality will agree to that.
Well I do not want to be flexible on the following:
-I have the freedom to believe, think, say, write and do what I want and
take the responsability for it.
-I dont expect anyone to defend me, my fammily, my country. I consider my
duty to do it, on all different levels of my Knowledge and Power.
Some Kabbalah:
There is an essential difference between Budhism (Yoga, New Age etc) and
Kabbalah. The basic scheme of energies in the former are the Chakras, that
must allways be balanced. In Kabbalah, all different Energies have their
use, when out of ballance. Differentiation of extreems gives the Power
(i.e. Love -Hate). Combination of traditions mostly cause disaster with
zumbies as final product. Budhism for example is great, but in the whole
Eastern context only. It will simply not work in direct translation to a
western society.
P.S.
Friendly request to you, Gerardus.
If you want me to read your cookies and consider tham seriously, please
refrain from
patronizing and missionize me. It will make our interaction a lot more
pleasent and constructive.
I am proud to have all the emotions a normal Whole human being has. If you
can not stand it, it is OK with.
Further I do in my life what I Will (professionally and otherwise). I feel
great in my skin.
If you have any questions just ask tham in a direct way, you don't need to
get personal in order to 'press out' any information. Try me. I dont know
if I can eat too much "sweet cookies".
at a time.
Back to the Spiritual War:
It is a war of those:
1) who see it,
2) understand it
3) have the Power
4) have the courage
5) fight it volunteerly
Yes, only those people attain immortality.
>Waar is het Nieuwe Hoofdhof?
Nieuwe Hoofdhof is on the square before the Navi Museum (Scheepvaart
Museum), behind the Cafe Maritiem.
Greatings,
Peter
"One For All, All For One"
Peter Rozsa
E-Mail: stone@hacktic.nl
A.H.A. ( Academy of Hermetic Arts )
Nieuwe Hoofdhof 48,
1018 KM Amsterdam
The Netherlands
Phone: ..31-(0)20-6261601
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Topic No. 4
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 94 22:12 +0200
From: Eric_Forster@lamg.com (Eric Forster)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: I'm all ears for your answer...
Message-ID: <30080094221216@HUJIVMS>
Seems to me that if you believe in a cosmic God, then it follows that religion
is a fraud perpetrated on the masses by the holy middlemen.
God does not need interpretors.
Eric Forster
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Topic No. 5
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 94 23:17 +0200
From: cbwillis@netcom.com (C. B. Willis)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: I'm all ears for your answer...
Message-ID: <30080094231709@HUJIVMS>
> Seems to me that if you believe in a cosmic God, then it follows that religion
> is a fraud perpetrated on the masses by the holy middlemen.
>
> God does not need interpretors.
>
> Eric Forster
God may not need them, but some people may need them for a while, until
they can reestablish their own connections.
CBW
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MOCHIN Digest 94
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Re: I'm all ears for your answer...
by Eric_Forster@lamg.com (Eric Forster)
2) Re: I'm all ears for your answer...
by af060@freenet.buffalo.edu (Suzanne Toomey Spinks)
3) Spiritual War
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
4) Cosmic Cookies - 005
by searchnet.zec@channel1.com (Searchnet Zec)
5) Re: Re: I'm all ears for your answer...
by cbwillis@netcom.com (C. B. Willis)
6) Hello Peter and other Great Godbeings.
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
7) Re: x 3 I'm all Ears for your Answer
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 15:55 +0200
From: Eric_Forster@lamg.com (Eric Forster)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Re: I'm all ears for your answer...
Message-ID: <31080094155556@HUJIVMS>
> God may not need them, but some people may need them for a > while, until
> they can reestablish their own connections.
> CBW
But if we (people) are part of the cosmic God, it follows that we don't need
the Holy Interpreters either...
Just a thought.
Eric
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Topic No. 2
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 23:22 +0200
From: af060@freenet.buffalo.edu (Suzanne Toomey Spinks)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: I'm all ears for your answer...
Message-ID: <31080094232237@HUJIVMS>
On the question of the need for interpreters...
Problem is, too many folks get dependent and complacent.
the way to establish connection is to be aware of the disconnection.
However, many "interpreters" are too far off on the interpretation.
Or too hung up on power over others. and the message gets lost.
So perhaps it is better if folks are just left to discover their
lostness, then they can begin to seek and find the connection.
How much do we have to take responsibility for others finding their
way. Is it not enough for each of us to be intent on finding our own
path and being aware of our own deviations etc.
Suzanne
--
Drop a Pebble on the Beach and Shake a Star
Suzanne Toomey Spinks, Buffalo NY USA
Planet Earth
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Topic No. 3
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 23:26 +0200
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Spiritual War
Message-ID: <31080094232612@HUJIVMS>
Hi Peter and everyone,
Enjoyed your post of August 28. Your comments on some spiritual
movements and on the social embargo on thinking, emotions and
responsibility are revealing of society's ills.
>Peter: The dangers of "spirituality". The effect of some "spiritual
movements" is in fact production of big masses of zombies. No
extreem emotions or ideas tolerated, in the name of the holy
equilibrium. Some even compare it with the nazis. somewhat painful
maybe for the fathers of some of those spiritually important
movements taken out of their context, systemtaically misinterpreted
until it was completely neutralized and "defused" from all its power.
The material conditions of our existence cause us to live in a world
of distracted thought. It takes most of our energy to cope, earn a
living, etc. Our cultures teach us to "conform" and give up our
individuality for the sake of being part of the group. This provides
a stabilizing force at the great cost of individuality and meaningful
discoveries. Even when someone by great force of will manages to
overcome these things and realize a great spiritual movement, the
establishment manages to take it and make it conform so it becomes
powerless like all the other movements. Conformity at all cost.
>Peter: Another symptom is a general embargo on thinking, emotions,
and responsibility. As a result, people must repress extreem
emotions, pretend they are just...mirraculously...not there, and a
language best described as "politically correct", making social
scientists a bunch of impotents...
You mention here the social sciences. This can be extended to all
the sciences. Again conformity at the cost of individuality
resulting in inability to accomplish great achievement.
In your post of Aug 27 you give a great defintion of happiness.
>Peter: I define happyness as SEEING what's going on in me and
around. Understand things, have the Courage to take the
responsibility for your level of understanding of the World, the
Power to do something with it (in the sense of self actualisation)
and the Wisdom to apply your Powers in the right circumstances
without braking under the burden of knowledge.
>Peter: Probably, because I am realistic about what is inside me and
outside me. Ignorance of the reality is called darkness. Darkness
brought many many pain to mankind. If I have to use a METAPHOR,
there is always a war between light and darkness "inside" as well as
"outside" us.
I also like your WAR metaphor. It reminds to be alert.
To put on blinders and pretend their is peace makes us impotent.
>Peter: Back to the Spiritual War
It is a war of those:
1) who see it,
2) understand it
3) have the Power
4) have the courage
5) fight it volunteerly
Yes, only those people attain immortality.
>Peter: Commitment. I am fully commited to my goals. I Love that
part in me too.
I think I "sacrifice" my life to my goals. In my view a life without
a goal is not worth living. All people who entered Immortality will
agree to that.
I feel the same way. Thank you for your wise words.
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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Topic No. 4
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 23:45 +0200
From: searchnet.zec@channel1.com (Searchnet Zec)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Cosmic Cookies - 005
Message-ID: <31080094234551@HUJIVMS>
!!> Cosmic Cookies - 005
Thanks for the cosmic cookies, I have been enjoying them.
Time to go!
Glenda
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Topic No. 5
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 23:52 +0200
From: cbwillis@netcom.com (C. B. Willis)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Re: I'm all ears for your answer...
Message-ID: <31080094235229@HUJIVMS>
>
> > God may not need them, but some people may need them for a > while, until
> > they can reestablish their own connections.
>
> > CBW
>
> But if we (people) are part of the cosmic God, it follows that we don't need
> the Holy Interpreters either...
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Eric
Right. Interpreters are pointers, not authorities. No one needs to give
their power away in the spiritual arena. Good interpreters empower
people, they don't usurp power.
CBW
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Topic No. 6
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 94 0:07 +0200
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Hello Peter and other Great Godbeings.
Message-ID: <01090094000702@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Peter and more questions...
Gerardus here: I have been away for a few days and that's way I am behind in my
messages. I'm sorry, but not sorry, for it might happen again and again! My
wife and I go away for a few days every fortnight or so, so there!
Gerardus to Peter: I have read your letter over Peter and there are many things
in there that we could discuss for the next century. To cut this a bit shorter,
I will just pick-up a few lines here and there. I feel that you and I come from
entirely different backgrounds and somehow it seems to me that you are not too
happy with other backgrounds but your own. You dislike some people, feel sorry
for others, and in general you are not directly expressing great love for the
world you see around you!
This is fine with me, for we are all different and we all have to work out
some of our emotional conditioning in this world. I do not know what kind of
compassion you classify your State of Mind in, but it is not within the ranges
of my compassion and/or State of Mind/Heart/Soul.
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Peter: >> I mean it feels like you ware (wear) rosy glasses. <<
Gerardus: No, I do not Peter. I wear bifocals and they are brand new!
Maybe they have a subliminal color scheme but as a rule this does not affect me
in my writing state. Subliminally naturally, I'm full of colors and jokes and
therefore; Life has become a celebration.
A celebration of understanding!
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Peter: >> The problem is, we tend to be influenced bij social factors, confusing
what we think or feel with what someone else wants us to think, feel or say. <<
Gerardus: Yeah, you are right! That's why I am not a member of any
organization! I also have very little social life for I'm busy answering about
20 to 25 messages a day at the moment. I wonder how I picked up all this
confusion? Must be the glasses!
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Peter: >> I feel I am essentially Good , under most circumstances. Even when I
fell "Unacceptable Emotions". All emotions are natural. <<
Gerardus: Naturally you are essentially Good under most circumstances. We
are here to learn to be essentially Good under ALL circumstances however. For
now however, you are doing fine! And about your "Unacceptable Emotions", I
have never heard of Emotions like that before. To me all emotions are normal
and human. In due time I work on all of them and most likely will be able to
control them by not having them anymore. In the mean time, let's have them! It
seem to me that you do not like these natural Unacceptable Emotions. What are
they? Kinky Sex? Are you a Homosexual? What is so Unacceptable about these
Emotions?
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Peter: >> I dont want to get into religious polemics, but the Christian and New
Age values are not for me. I consider tham dangerous. Deadly dangerous for me
and my soulbrothers during the Hystory of mankind. (The Inquisition functions
today, just as good as before, only with much more sophisticated technics. (
Social, economic destruction of representatives of concurent ideas, Psychiatric
hospitals, jails, each country has one or aal of the social trashcans. <<
Gerardus: We live in a world of variety Peter. And what goes on in the
world is not directly of my concern! I'm working on trying to improve myself in
order to improve the world. I give FREEDOM to all other Human Beings to do what
they feel like doing, for Life and its experiences are the lessons we all need
to have in order to learn from them. I know that the lessons we need to grow
from are created by ourselves, for we are the Creator in Human Form.
Also, I can only help others when they ask me, for unsolicited help in
almost all cases is "interference" with the free will of the people involved.
I have been in the world long enough to see and know what goes on, but it does
not bother me one bit! For I have given Freedom to all Human Aspects and other
Aspects of the One and infinite Creator. The world is a SCHOOL! And all the
things we see or notice are the lessons that need to be transcended by the
people that experience them. It's like stopping two wild dogs from fighting.
Let them Peter, I let them and give them my blessing. We can only help when we
are asked! Mankind, and especially the so called Super Powers, get themselves
into trouble because they "interfere" too much with the rest of the world. They
seem to want to "preach and teach" their kind of philosophies, including THEIR
kind of Democracy, to people that are not ready for it. We all live in
different countries because we are all in different stages of mind or evolution.
The world to me is exactly as it should be! It is a SCHOOL Peter! In this
school there are only students for all teachers are also students!
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Peter: >> When Ideas and Emotions are programmed, and deviants are executed, we
talk about ENEMIES. <<
Gerardus: Hummm? Hmmm?! Hmm? ENEMIES!?? Peter, LOVE has no enemies let
alone ENEMIES! In our world Peter, in our Cosmic School, we all deserve what we
get, for we all have created our own reality!! Do you KNOW that we all create
our own lessons or realities? I am not sure that you see it that way. It
means: help where you are asked and for the rest give people the freedom to
learn to become better creators for themselves.
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Peter: >> Don't ever ask me again to cut my half, becourse you don't like it.
I hope you can use some of the information above, so I don't work for
nothing till 04:55 am.
Gerardus: You say: Don't ever ask me again to cut my half... ???
I do not understand what you mean by this. And also, I might as well inform you
that I CANNOT use your information, so I suggest you either stop writing me for
nothing and start doing it for money... or quit it altogether.
I know that I'm not a Great Enlightened Being and therefore; I could
definitely be wrong! The point is: Your messages do not convey a great deal of
Love or even compassion. It seems to me that you are either overworked or write
at a time that you are over tired and are being inspired by entities you would
try to avoid usually. If you would like to continue writing and coaching me in
some fashion that's fine with me, for it might help you to clear some deep
layers of Unacceptable Emotions in order to get rid of them.
I wish you the best and hope that you will smile at every Human Being you meet.
It creates a reality of Goodness Peter. And a reality of Goodness, has no
negative friends...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 7
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 94 2:09 +0200
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: x 3 I'm all Ears for your Answer
Message-ID: <01090094020930@HUJIVMS>
To One and All..
To Eric Forster and his cosmic God...
Eric Forster: >> Seems to me that if you believe in a cosmic God, then it
follows that religion is a fraud perpetrated on the masses by the holy
middlemen. God does not need interpretors. Eric Forster <<
Gerardus: You are right Eric! However, for some of God's Children
middlemen come in quite handy. (That's what middlemen think) And you know,
they are right! For some Children NEED guidelines to live by. The middlemen's
guidelines....
For you and I, certain guidelines are imprinted in the Soul/God we are. But
this is only so, because we have been around a few more times than so many other
children have.
BTW: To whom did you direct this comment? To EveryOne?
Welcome on the Scene Eric Forster... please come more often!
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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