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From NCEpanacea@aol.com 
Date 18 September 2004 0335
Subject Government Insider Says Bush Authorized 911 Attacks


Government Insider Says Bush Authorized 911 Attacks From Thomas Buyea 9-17-4

Keep in mind when reading this, that the man being interviewed is no two-bit 
internet conspiracy buff.

Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has personally 
known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades.  This courageous man has risked 
his professional reputation, and possibly his life, to get this information 
out to people.

The following is from his latest visit to Alex Jones' radio show.

Forwarded with Compliments of Free Voice of America (FVOA) Accurate News 
and Interesting Commentary for Amerika's Huddled Masses Yearning to Breathe 
Free

Note All honor to Stanley Hilton for risking his life so that we may know 
the truth of 9/11.


The Bush Junta Unmasked

"This (9/11) was all planned.  This was a government-ordered operation.  
Bush personally signed the order.  He personally authorized the attacks.  He 
is guilty of treason and mass murder."  -- Stanley Hilton

Alex Jones interview of Stanley Hilton, attorney for 911 taxpayers' lawsuit

Alex Jones Radio Show September 10, 2004 Transcription by 'RatCat'

AJ He is back with us.  He is former Bob Dole's chief of staff, very 
successful counselor, lawyer.  He represents hundreds of the victims 
families of 9/11.  He is suing Bush for involvement in 9/11.  Now a major 
Zogby poll out -- half of New Yorkers think the government was involved in 
9/11.  And joining us for the next 35 minutes, into the next hour, is 
Stanley Hilton.  Stanley, it's great to have you on with us.

SH Glad to be on.

AJ We'll have to recap this when we start the next hour, but just in a 
nutshell, you have a lawsuit going, you've deposed a lot of military 
officers.  You know the truth of 9/11.  Just in a nutshell, what is your 
case alleging?

SH Our case is alleging that Bush and his puppets Rice and Cheney and 
Mueller and Rumsfeld and so forth, Tenet, were all involved not only in 
aiding and abetting and allowing 9/11 to happen but in actually ordering it 
to happen.  Bush personally ordered it to happen.  We have some very 
incriminating documents as well as eye-witnesses, that Bush personally 
ordered this event to happen in order to gain political advantage, to pursue 
a bogus political agenda on behalf of the neocons and their deluded thinking 
in the Middle East.  I also wanted to point out that, just quickly, I went 
to school with some of these neocons.

At the University of Chicago, in the late 60s with Wolfowitz and Feith and 
several of the others and so I know these people personally.  And we used to 
talk about this stuff all of the time.  And I did my senior thesis on this 
very subject -- how to turn the U.S. into a presidential dictatorship by 
manufacturing a bogus Pearl Harbor event. So, technically this has been in 
the planning at least 35 years.

AJ That's right.  They were all Straussian followers of a Nazi-like 
professor.  And now they are setting it up here in America.  Stanley, I know 
you deposed a lot of people and you've got your $7 million dollar lawsuit 
with hundreds of the victim's families involved.

SH 7 billion, 7 billion

AJ Yeah, 7 billion.  Can you go over some of the new and incriminating 
evidence you've got of them ordering the attack?

SH Yes, let me just say that this is a taxpayers' class action lawsuit as 
well as a suit on behalf of the families and the basic three arguments are 
they violated the Constitution by ordering this event.  And secondly that 
they [garbled] fraudulent Federal Claims Act, Title 31 of the U.S. Code in 
which Bush presented false and fraudulent evidence to Congress to get the 
Iraq war authorization. And, of course, he related it to 9/11 and claimed 
that Saddam was involved with that, and all these lies.

AJ Tell you what, stay there.  Stanley, we've got to break.  Let's come 
back and get into the evidence.  BREAK

AJ All right my friends, second hour, September 10th, 2004, the anniversary 
of the globalist attack coming up tomorrow.  It's an amazing individual we 
have on the line.  Bob Dole's former chief of staff, political scientist, a 
lawyer, he went to school with Rumsfeld and others, he wrote his thesis 
about how to turn America into a dictatorship using a fake Pearl Harbor 
attack.  He's suing the U.S. government for carrying out 9/11.

He has hundreds of the victims' families signing onto it -- it's a $7 
billion lawsuit.  And he is Stanley Hilton.  I know that a lot of stations 
just joined us in Los Angeles and Rhode Island and Missouri and Florida and 
all over. Please sir, recap what you were just stating and then let's get 
into the new evidence.  And then we'll get into why you are being harassed 
by the FBI, as other FBI people are being harassed who have been blowing the 
whistle on this.  So, this is really getting serious. Stanley, tell us all 
about it.

SH Yeah, we are suing Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Mueller, 
etc.  for complicity in personally not only allowing 9/11 to happen but in 
ordering it.  The hijackers we retained and we had a witness who is married 
to one of them.  The hijackers were U.S. undercover agents.  They were 
double agents, paid by the FBI and the CIA to spy on Arab groups in this 
country.  They were controlled. Their landlord was an FBI informant in San 
Diego and other places. And this was a direct, covert operation ordered, 
personally ordered by George W. Bush.

Personally ordered.

We have incriminating evidence, documents as well as witnesses, to this 
effect.  It's not just incompetence -- in spite of the fact that he is 
incompetent.  The fact is he personally ordered this, knew about it.  He, at 
one point, there were rehearsals of this.  The reason why he appeared to be 
uninterested and nonchalant on September 11th -- when those videos showed 
that Andrew Card whispered in his ear the [garbled] words about this he 
listened to kids reading the pet goat story, is that he thought this was 
another rehearsal.  These people had dress-rehearsed this many times.  He 
had seen simulated videos of this.

In fact, he even made a Freudian slip a few months later at a California 
press conference when he said he had, quote, "seen on television the first 
plane attack the first tower."  And that could not be possible because there 
was no video.  What it was was the simulated video that he had gone over.  
So this was a personally government-ordered thing.  We are suing them under 
the Constitution for violating Americans' rights, as well as under the 
federal Fraudulent Claims Act, for presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress 
to justify the bogus Iraq boondoggle war, for political gains.  And also, 
under the RICO statute, under the Racketeering Corrupt Organization Act, for 
being a corrupt entity.

And I've been harassed personally by the chief judge of the federal court 
who is instructing me personally to drop this suit, threatened to kick me 
off the court, after 30 years on the court.  I've been harassed by the FBI.  
My staff has been harassed and threatened.  My office has been broken into 
and this is the kind of government we are dealing with.

AJ Absolutely and now it has come out -- five separate drills of flying 
hijacked jets into buildings that morning -- which you told us about before 
it even broke in the Associated Press.  They were trying to get out ahead of 
you.  You talked about how you interviewed military people who were told it 
was a drill that morning.  Then to get out ahead of that, the news finally 
reported on it.

Now, we've learned that all these operations -- I want to get into that, I 
want to talk about the new incriminating evidence of ordering it and how 
they had drilled on this, how Cheney was in the bunker controlling this.  
That has even come out in the mainstream news but they won't release the 
details of that, Stanley.  But what type of FBI harassment are you going 
through?

SH First of all, my office was burglarized in San Francisco several months 
ago.  Files were gone through and some files were seized -- particularly the 
ones dealing with the lady that was married to one of the hijackers.  
Fortunately, I had spare copies in a hidden place so nothing disappeared 
permanently.  But more significantly, FBI agents have been harassing one of 
my staff members and threatening them with vague but frightening threats of 
indicting them.  And it's just total harassment.  They have planted a spy, 
an undercover agent, in my organization, as we just recently discovered.  In 
other words, these are Nazi Germany tactics.  This is the kind of government 
you have in this country.  This is what Bush is all about.

AJ Stay there, Stanley, Bob Dole's former chief of staff.  We'll come back 
after this quick break.  Please stay with us.  BREAK

AJ All right, eight minutes, 25 seconds into the second hour. Stanley 
Hilton, political scientist, lawyer, Bob Dole's former chief of staff, is 
suing the government for 7 billion dollars for carrying out 9/11 and for 
racketeering.  And he joins us now.  During the break, I first really did 
the big interview with Stanley Hilton after I saw him attacked on Fox News.  
And that interview got massive attention.

And then he kind of went underground for a while because a judge, we're 
going to talk about that, ordered him to not do any more interviews.  And 
now he's back doing interviews.  He's had his office broken into, FBI 
threats and harassment.  Bottom line, he has deposed military individuals, 
wives of hijackers, you name it, it was a government operation.  It has even 
come out in mainstream news, a piece here, a piece there.  They had drills 
on 9/11, that's why NORAD stood down.  Cheney was in control of the whole 
thing.

Stanley Hilton has now gotten documents about how Bush ordered the whole 
operation. And I'll tell you right now, his life is in danger, folks.  And 
he's got so much courage.  He went to school with these neocons at the 
University of Chicago.  He wrote his thesis on how the government could use 
terrorist attacks to set up martial law.  He is the man for the time and 
folks wondered why he disappeared for a while and just did his lawsuit and 
wasn't doing interviews, it was because he was ordered to.  Stanley, can you 
get into that for us?

SH I did an interview with you, Alex, back in March of 2003, about a year 
and a half ago, and literally two weeks after that, I was contacted by the 
emissary of the chief judge of the federal court where I have the lawsuit.  
And I was warned not to publicize it but to keep it quiet and threatened 
with discipline.  And it remained quiet until a couple of months ago and 
then I got on the air on some programs and some publicity and July 1st, I 
was threatened directly by the chief judge here, threatened with court 
discipline.

This particular judge has been circulating communiqués to the other federal 
judges seeking anything negative she can get against me to try and 
discipline me after I've been on the court here for 30 years with no 
disciplinary problems at all.  This is suddenly happening.  And her 
assistants who are on the committee of the court met with me on July 1st in 
Palo Alto, California, and threatened me directly.  They handed me a copy of 
the lawsuit and said that the judge wants me to dismiss this.  What's this?  
She doesn't like the content of it.

This is politically incorrect.  This is outside the norm.  I said I 
represented more than 400 plaintiffs, how am I going to dismiss this case?  
And they threatened me directly and they said, "the next time you'll be 
disciplined."  And also they've threatened me not to go public, etc.  And 
this is just outrageous.

AJ It's all color of law.  No direct orders, just all in your face.

SH They sent a letter out, and of course they deny it's because of the 
political content of the suit but they told me directly on the phone that it 
is because of this suit and this judge is very, very angry, apparently has 
been in contact with Ashcroft's Justice Department.  I got a call from 
Ashcroft's Justice Department a few months ago about this, demanding that I 
drop the suit, threatening sanctions and all kinds of things.  I refused to 
drop it.

AJ Now let's go back over, you had them break into your office, harassment. 
 Let's go over that in detail.

SH My office was broken into about 6 months ago.  The file cabinets -- it 
was obvious they had been rifled through.  Files were stolen. Files dealing 
with this particular case and particularly with the documents I had 
regarding the fact that the -- some of these hijackers, at least some of 
them were on the payroll of the U.S. government as undercover FBI, CIA, 
double agents.  They are spying on Arab groups in the U.S. And, in effect, 
all this led up to the effect that al Qaeda is a creation of the George Bush 
administration, basically.

That the entity that he called al Qaeda is directly linked to George Bush.  
And all this stuff was stolen.  Fortunately, I had copies.  But this was 
just part of the harassment.  The FBI has also been harassing some of my 
assistants and has planted a spy in our midst.  And it is just outrageous 
that these Nazi tactics are being used -- and the obstruction of justice, 
these people are criminals. And that's what's happening under the tremendous 
pressure here to just drop it.  Or to shut up now and just go away.

AJ Now, let's talk about what they want you to drop.  Let's talk about, 
without giving names, the people you deposed, what really happened, the 
picture you've got.  You said earlier that Bush ordered this, they were 
simulating this which they now admit there were simulations on that morning. 
 Let's go over what they don't want you to talk about, Stanley.

SH We have evidence both documentary as well as witness sworn statements 
from undercover former FBI agents, FBI informants, etc., that other 
officials in the Pentagon and the military and the Air Force that deal with 
the fact that there were many drills, many rehearsals for 9/11 before it 
happened.  Bush had seen this simulated on TV many times.  He blurted this 
out at a press conference in California a few months after 9/11 where he 
said he had, quote, seen the first plane hit the first building on the video.

And that's not possible because there was no official video of that.  There 
was one of the second plane not the first one.  He had seen the first one. 
We do have some incriminating documents that Bush personally ordered 9/11 
events.  It was well planned.  A FEMA official has admitted on tape that he 
was there the night before -- September 10th, that is.

AJ And now Mayor Giuliani, a few months ago in the 911 Commission, admitted 
that -- Tripod II.  They had their whole command post already moved out of 
Building 7.  Now, this is very, very important.  This is a key area of this 
whole event.  You said months before it came out on the CIA's own website 
and the Associated Press, you said I deposed people.  They said there were 
drills that morning and exactly what happened, happening -- that was the 
smoke-screen for the stand-down.

And then to get out ahead of it, the CIA comes out and said yeah we were 
running a drill that morning.  Now, we've learned that five, possibly six, 
were confirmed.  Five of these -- one drill with the exact same thing 
happening that actually happened, at the exact same time in the morning.  
That's why NORAD stood down with 24 different blips on the screen.  You've 
said this.  You brought this up first. Now, I know you can't get too much 
into detail but can you tell us how you learned of this?

SH I have interviewed individuals in NORAD and the Air Force.  I personally 
toured NORAD many years ago around the time that I worked for Dole.  I'm 
very familiar with the operations at Cheyenne Mountain at Colorado Springs, 
where NORAD is.  Individuals that work in NORAD as well as the Air Force 
have stated this, off the record, but the point is, yes, this was not just 
five drills but at least 35 drills over at least two months before September 
11th.  Everything was planned, the exact location.

AJ But five drills that day.

SH That day, that day, and Bush thought it was a drill.  That's the only 
explanation for why he appeared nonchalant.

AJ We also had NORAD officers and civilian air traffic controllers going, 
"Is this part of the exercise?  Is this a drill?"

SH Yes.

AJ On the tapes and in TV interviews, they thought it was, quote, a drill.

SH That's right.  That's exactly what I said long before it became public.  
I've known about this since earlier in March of '03, as I stated before.  
This was all planned.  This was a government-ordered operation.  Bush 
personally signed the order.  He personally authorized the attacks.  He is 
guilty of treason and mass murder.  And now, obstruction of justice by 
attempting to use a federal judge and FBI agents to inhibit a legitimate 
civil lawsuit in this country, in federal court.

Even a chief judge in this court tried to harass and threaten me personally 
for representing legitimate plaintiffs.  And they got Clinton for allegedly 
lying under oath about Paula Jones and now -- look what's happening now.  
And Ken Starr used to be across from me in Duke Law School in the early `70s 
and it´s interesting that he got away with trying to get Clinton impeached, 
so we have a far worse criminal sitting in the oval office today -- somebody 
guilty of mass murder as well as obstruction of justice.

AJ Well, I mean look, they say they never heard of a plan to fly planes 
into buildings -- said it all over television -- Rice, Bush, Cheney, 
Rumsfeld, Ashcroft.  And then we find out they were running all these drills 
that morning.  Even if they weren't involved, that proves they were liars 
about ever hearing of such a plan.

SH Well, I'm trying to take their depositions -- I've been trying to take 
their depositions for months.  They've been trying to object to it.  They 
will have to admit they were either lying then or now.  It's clearly perjury 
either way.  They are liars and perjurers; that's what they are.  These are 
the people that we have running this government and, of course, they knew 
about it.  How are they going to claim now that they didn't know about these 
drills?  Their idea is that nobody knew anything.  It's the old know-nothing 
mentality.  And how anybody considers this believable is beyond me.

AJ All right, now people ask how could a huge organization, how could the 
AWACs, how could the military let this happen; whereas before, if your 
Cessna got off course for five minutes, they would launch F-16s on you.  
It's real simple.  It's what Stanley Hilton said here a year and a half ago. 
 It's what came out in the news after that.  The military, good people, were 
told this was all a drill.  And it was not a drill.  And ABC News admits 
that Cheney was in control of [?] out of the White House [?] and that he 
ordered the military to quote "do something."  Our inside sources from 
Hilton and others say it was a stand down and they admit they will not 
release that under national security Stanley?

SH Well they are going to admit it, they're going to release it in the 
court case because if you demand it under subpoena powers and they must 
release it And part of our lawsuit is brought in the name of the U.S. 
because under the federal fraudulent [Claims Act], we accuse the Bush 
Administration of presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress.  And under the 
statutes of Title 31 of the U.S. code, they must release this information.  
That's why they are trying to threaten me, harass me, invade my office, 
steal my files, commit blatant obstruction of justice and other crimes to 
try and prevent a legitimate civil suit from exposing these criminals and 
their acts of treason and mass murder.

AJ I think you need to publicly tell folks that you are not planning 
suicide.  Would you like to tell folks that?

SH (laughs) I'm not planning suicide.  I've got family and I'm not planning 
that but I don't like the threats I'm under -- but I can tell you this, it's 
taking a toll emotionally on me and my staff.  And particularly, when you 
get a threat from the chief judge of your own court.

AJ Why have you decided to go public again after a year of being under the 
radar?

SH Because the more and more evidence that I've been adducing over a year 
and a half has made it so obvious to me that this was now without any doubt 
a government operation and that it amounts to the biggest act of treason and 
mass murder in American history.  I mean George Bush makes Benedict Arnold 
look like a patriot.  He makes Benedict Arnold look like George Washington.  
I mean that's what we have -- a criminal and a traitor sitting in the White 
House pretending he's a patriot, wrapping himself in the flag.  And it's 
pretty disgusting because the other side of the so-called opposition, the 
Kerry camp is just saying nothing because they're afraid to speak.

AJ Stay right there.  We'll be right back.  BREAK

AJ Stanley Hilton will be with us for another 15 or 16 minutes.  Then he's 
got to go into court. Bob Dole's former chief of staff, political scientist, 
lawyer, represents 400 plus plaintiffs -- most of them victims of 9/11.  
When I was in New York last week, everybody I was talking to, I mean 90 plus 
percent of them at ground zero -- "I had family, I worked in the buildings, 
my son's a Navy Seal -- he called the night before and said don't go to work."

You know, all of this, and then now they never had any idea -- and it turns 
out they had all these drills -- and one drill of hijacked jets flying into 
the World Trade Center and Pentagon at 830 in the morning.  That morning -- 
come on people!  And Stanley Hilton brought all this out on this show before 
it was in the mainstream news.  And I was talking to him during the break.  
I mean, the harassment, the moles, the threatening of his staff, the judge 
threatening him.  Stanley, let's get specifically into the documents that 
you have now got that they have now been robbing you for, that you luckily, 
thank God had copies. Specifically, Bush ordering this.  Can you get into 
that for us -- ordering 9/11?

SH National Security Council classified documents which [garbled] and it's 
was part of a series of documents that were involved with the drill 
documents.  This was all planned -- they had it on videotape. These planes 
were controlled by remote control, as I stated previously a year and a half 
ago, there's a system called Cyclops.  There is a computer chip in the nose 
of the plane and it enables the ground control, the military ground control, 
to disable the pilot's control of the plane and to control it and to fly it 
directly into those towers.

That's what happened.  It's also a technology used on what's called the 
Global Hawk, which is an aircraft drone -- a remote-controlled aircraft. And 
they were doing it.  We are talking about National Security Council 
classified documents that clearly indicated that [garbled] had a green light 
to order this to go and this is no drill.  These drills that were running 
were clearly a dress rehearsal and this was a government operation.

You wonder why these people are trying to threaten people and trying to 
intimidate people who have written this suit, I guess if you murdered 3000 
of your own citizens, in conjunction with the corrupt Royal family of Saudi 
Arabia as Bush did.  And if you then waste billions more on a worthless 
garbage war in Iraq, I guess you've got something to worry about and you 
want to threaten people to prevent it from coming out.

AJ I mean let's look at this.  Not only are there dress rehearsals, they 
are smoke screens so the good military stands down and doesn't know what's 
happening.  But it's now coming out, even in mainstream news, that yes these 
drills were going on.  Yes, and some of these drills, quote, passenger-type 
jets were under remote control -- this is decades old technology.  In 1958, 
NORAD was [ ] old jets and using them for target practice.

Decades ago they flew jumbo jets from LA to Sydney Australia.  So since 
that's going on, everybody knows that. And it's the same MO.  Just like the 
first World Trade Center [bombing] where they get two retarded men who 
followed this blind sheik who had a tiny mosque above a pizza parlor.  And 
they set them up as the patsies.  Then the FBI cooks the bomb, trains the 
drivers. This informant goes, "You're not going to bomb the building?  They 
go "Yeah, we're letting it go forward."  He tapes them to protect 
themselves. The two retarded gentlemen, thank God, didn't park it up against 
the column, as the FBI instructed them to do, so it didn't bring down the 
tower -- because you have to be right up against the column.

That doesn't happen.  Yet, it's the same thing with 9/11. You've got these 
CIA agents, these Arabs, who were trained at U.S. military bases, Pensacola 
Naval Air Station - mainstream media, out creating their legends for this 
background.  They're on board the aircraft. My military sources say nerve 
gas kills everybody on board the plane -- nerve gas packets.  Then they fly 
the planes into buildings.  From your inside sources, is that accurate?

SH It's one of the things that we are looking into -- that nerve gas or 
something else disabled people.  It's possible.  I can't say for sure to be 
honest with you.

AJ All you know is they were government agents and they were on board and 
the planes were remote controlled.

SH Yeah, it was basically a smokescreen.  I mean, the events of the 
hijackings, how someone snuck in those cutters, it was a plant.  It was like 
a classic decoy.  I've got some military background.  And it's called decoy. 
 It's a decoy operation.  You make the people focus on the decoy to avoid 
looking at the real criminals.  So they are focusing on these so-called 
nineteen hijackers and saying, "Oh, it must have been these Arabs.  When, in 
fact, the guilty person is at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue -- sitting in the 
oval office.

That's the guilty person.  That's the one who authorized it.  There is only 
one man who could have authorized this operation and that's Bush.  And 
anyone at NORAD will tell you as I have been told personally at NORAD in the 
war control room, there is only one man who has the power to do this kind of 
thing and that's Bush.  Even though many believe he's a puppet.  And I think 
in many ways he is.  The fact of the matter is where was Cheney, Rumsfeld 
and these other traitors?  The fact is Bush personally ordered and he's 
guilty and liable and he's going to be re-elected apparently because the 
media's asleep and [garbled] for Bush.

AJ Well, the media is owned by the same military industrial complex that 
carried out the attacks.

SH Yeah, the media is only interested in maintaining the official 
government fantasy that this was a little lone Arab.  These Arabs couldn't 
even steer that plane down a runway.

AJ Stay there Stanley, final segment coming up.  BREAK

AJ Mr. Hilton, when you talk to these FBI agents, when you talk to these 
military men and women, what's their attitude?  They've got to be pretty 
freaked out to have the big picture and know what actually happened on 9/11.

SH Yes, you know it's like clouds just before a thunderstorm in the sense 
that they are sort of pregnant with rage.  They are just enraged at the 
criminal politicians who have perverted and misused the government to murder 
its own citizens and pursue these dubious political ends.  And many of them, 
in increasing numbers, are willing to talk and will talk under subpoena -- 
but only under subpoena because the official party line of the government is 
shut up and don't talk to the trial lawyer.

But more and more, they are very outraged that part of the government has 
done this to its own people, to its own people.  I mean you have to go back 
to Stalin to see something -- not even Hitler did this to his own people.  
You have to look at Stalin who murdered the Kulaks, the Russians for his own 
dubious gains.  Also we've got -- we have a Stalinist mentality in this 
country.  And, if these people pose as patriots and wrap themselves in the 
flag, it's disgusting.

I wanted also to point out that the Japanese television network, Asahi, is 
going to be airing a special on primetime tomorrow, on September 11th.  They 
interviewed me for eight hours a couple of weeks ago.  I'll be on that.  I 
wish -- of course, the America media don't care so they are not going to 
care.  But in Japan, people are very serious in interviewing me and others.  
And we have a website now, called deprogram.info, if more people are 
interested www.deprogram.info.

But the other thing, I just wanted to say that if anything happens to me -- 
and I don't know why -- because I'm being threatened here now.  And it seems 
you can't bring a case in this country anymore against criminals in power 
without being threatened.  And this is how they operate.  The stakes are 
pretty high when you've got a world historical level of treason and fraud by 
this government against it's own people.  I guess this is what you have to 
expect.

AJ Stanley, the globalists, the new world order crowd, definitely intend to 
carry out more terror attacks.  I know they would have carried out more 
attacks if we wouldn't have done what we've been up to, if you wouldn't have 
been out there boldly speaking out and many others.  And then their 
electronic Berlin wall has a bunch of cracks in it now.  Thanks to good 
people like yourself and many others who are speaking out and telling the 
truth.

But do you think that they may carry out what they've been hyping -- a 
suitcase nuke attack, a biological release to try to smokescreen all of 
this?  I know it's a catch 22, you've got to expose the murderers.  We've 
got to get the word out on this but some government people that I've talk to 
say, "Yeah, but if you do that, they are going to go even more hard core and 
must totally try to take over."  But I say regardless, they are already 
doing that.  So what do you say to that?

SH Well, yeah, I think they have an agenda.  They have contingency plans.  
I think they are laying low now because there are an increasing number of 
people, like myself, who are openly challenging them and accusing them of 
criminal conduct.  I think they would have done it again if we had not 
spoken up.  I think they're planning, what they would like to do is silence 
any dissenters. That's why we are trying to get the Patriot Act declared 
unconstitutional in this lawsuit also.

AJ Let's talk about polls.  In the beginning a patriot is a scarce man, 
hated and feared, but in time when his cause succeeds, the timid join him, 
because then it costs nothing to be a patriot. You are one of those guys who 
hit the barbwire for us, or figuratively jumped on the hand grenade for 
America.  But when you've got a Zogby poll, who is highly respected, half of 
New Yorkers believe that the government was involved.  When you have a 
Canadian poll, 63% on average believe that the U.S. government was involved. 
 And some groups, as high as 76% in polls believe the government was 
involved.  European polls, two-thirds show the same thing.

We have German defense ministers and technology ministers and another member 
of their government now, three of them going public, known conservatives, 
and progressives.  You have an environment minister, Michael Meacher, saying 
that if they didn't do it, they sure as hell knew what was going on.  Look, 
if anybody who is a thinking person looks at the evidence, their official 
story is impossible.  Then you investigate and they are involved in it. 
Comments to this massive awakening and what's happening.

SH Well, I think that's why they want the Patriot Act to suppress political 
dissent.  They have to, they're anticipating, they are not dumb individuals. 
 I know these people personally, Wolfowitz.  These are criminal individuals 
but they are smart and so they anticipated political dissent.  And that's 
why, like the Nazis, their forebears, and their blood brothers, the Nazis 
and the Stalinists, they're all for political repression.

Every corrupt and criminal government has done this -- they suppress their 
own people Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, Mao Tse-Tung, that's why we have 
the Patriot Act.  So it's hand in hand.  They had it planned to go right up 
to September 11th, this was all part of the plan.  You have to do it.  It 
was part of my senior thesis.  You must follow through the terrorists 
attacks with a political suppression mechanism in the law.

And that's why they want Patriot I and Patriot II and their plans are to 
continue launching more terrorist attacks to justify even more repression.  
The goal is to make this a one party dictatorship in this country, to pursue 
their dubious ends with their blood brothers like the Saudi Royal family. 
And also, historical blood brothers, such as the Nazi Germany and the 
Communist Russian.  That's the goal

AJ You've got to go in just a minute or two.  But I wanted to also tell you 
about New York.  Sound cannons that are used in Iraq, they're against us.  
Men in black ski masks.  41,000 police, accredited media being arrested 
randomly Children being arrested, people in wheelchairs, 2000 plus people 
put in a camp with barbwire fences inside with no bathrooms.  You had to 
have permission to go to the porta-potties.  Police screaming at you.  It 
had nothing to do with terrorism.  They are openly setting the precedent for 
martial law.

SH Well, that's right, the word terrorist is now being overly broad and 
overly defined [garbled] and also, you know, it's like the word communist 
was used for anything during the McCarthy witch hunt.  And anybody can be 
called a terrorist by Bush's definition.  But the irony is that the number 
one terrorist in the world is living at the White House at the oval office 
today.  That's the real irony.  For sheer hypocrisy, I think he deserves the 
world prize and ought to be in the Ripley book, Believe It or Not, and the 
Guinness book of world records for sheer brazen chicanery and fraud.

AJ Let me ask you a question on this because this is the experience that I 
had.  Watching television, watching the killers, watching those that are 
guilty, stand up there as our saviors is incredibly painful. It's like 
watching Ted Bundy being the judge at his own trial.  I mean it is just 
painful to know who these people are.  To see them putting America in a 
shredder.  Now we are going to have forced psychological testing of every 
American, forced drugging, you know Pan-American unions, I mean it's just 
all happening, it's in our face, Stanley.

SH Yeah, it's very disturbing and as one who has studied the theory and 
concept of dictatorships, I personally interviewed Albert Speer, who was 
Hitler's armaments minister.  I interviewed him in 1981 in Munich.  And I've 
studied the psychology and history of totalitarianism and there is no 
question that it's very frightening. And it has, today, with high 
technology, albeit for the first time in history, the chance of having a 
world empire dominated by corrupt, technologically oriented government -- an 
elite government.  And they've got now what people like Napoleon and Hitler 
didn't have, which is the technological means to dominate not only their own 
country but others -- the world.

AJ The answer is to expose them as the terrorists, to show how PNAC 
[Project for the New American Century] said we need helpful Pearl Harbor 
events, to show how Northwoods called for the exact 9/11-style attacks, to 
show their own plans.  And to force people to face this horror.  What are 
they going to do in a year or two when 80% of us, not half of us, know the 
truth?

SH Well, that's why they want repression and, then again, the ancient old 
diversion, launch another terrorist attack to get people to pitch it away.  
I mean who knows what they'll do next. I mean their capacity for ingenious 
creation of these events is sort of unraveled.  I mean there is no limit.  
My guess is they are going to try another stunt -- maybe a stunt just before 
the election to justify getting Bush reelected.  Although it seems like he 
is running against a straw man or a ghost right now, anyway.

But, my guess is they'll try some other tactic to get people's attention 
away from 9/11 if it gets to be too much attention.  What you really want is 
for the public to just lose interest because the public -- and it's like 
remember the Alamo, you know, people don't forget things like that.  To me 
it's like the Alamo, remember 9/11, that ought to be the slogan for this 
outrageous act of treason.  That's what it is.  It's not

AJ We are at a crossroads, I don't think they anticipated this much 
resistance, Stanley.

SH Yeah, I hope they are truly wrong and as incompetent as they are corrupt 
and guilty.  That means their incompetence is exceeded only by their 
corruption and their guilt.  And eventually, if enough people are going to 
get outraged enough, these people in the bureaucracy and in the civil 
service and our military, and eventually we can get people under subpoena 
these individuals will be exposed.

AJ Stanley, their whole operation hinges on us being naïve and not 
recognizing evil.  This is what they got with Hitler and others. People 
couldn't recognize evil so they continued to repeat succumbing to it.  We 
are recognizing it this time.  We are putting our lives, our treasure, our 
future on the line for freedom because we cannot let these blood-thirsty 
control freak terrorists capture us and use us and turn us into the empire 
and have a draft and use us as their slaves to invade the planet.  And 
that's their PNAC plan.  Stanley Hilton, I know you've got to get to court.  
God bless you.  I want to thank you for being here with us today.  Can we 
get you back on next week?

SH Sure, just give me a call.

AJ God bless you my friend.  Any closing comments?

SH My closing comments would be, I think people ought to just think about 
the consequence of having someone like Bush in the White House and the 
danger for the future that these sorts of individuals pose. This is not just 
a historical event of the past.  This is part of the plan and the camera is 
still rolling.  They have an agenda.  These individuals are extremely 
dangerous.  They are armed and dangerous. They pose a clear and dangerous 
threat to every freedom-loving person not only American but in the whole world.

AJ You are absolutely right Stanley Hilton.  They have captured the 
government.  They have not captured the peoples' minds and they are counting 
on us not facing up to it.

SH And they are counting on the repressive Patriot Act and threats and 
chief judges and FBI agents threatening people who are exposing them.  
That's what they are counting on.

AJ But you're not backing down are you, my friend.

SH No, I'm not

AJ Well, we all stand with you, my brother, and God bless you.

SH All right.  Thank you.