THE GREENBAUM SPEECH of D.C. HAMMOND
Mind Control Research
We've got a lot to cover today and let me give you a rough approximate
outline of the things that I'd like us to get into.
First, let me ask how many of you have had at least one course or workshop
on hypnosis? Can I see the hands? Wonderful. That makes our job easier.
Okay. I want to start off by talking a little about trance-training and the
use of hypnotic phenomena with an MPD dissociative-disorder population, to
talk some about unconscious exploration, methods of doing that, the use of
imagery and symbolic imagery techniques for managing physical symptoms,
input overload, things like that.
Before the day's out, I want to spend some time talking about something I
think has been completely neglected in the field of dissociative disorder,
and that's talking about methods of profound calming for automatic
hyper-arousal that's been conditioned in these patients. We're going to
spend a considerable length of time talking about age-regression and
abreaction in working through a trauma.
I'll show you with a non-MPD patient -- some of that kind of work -- and
then extrapolate from what I find so similar and different with MPD cases.
Part of that, I would add, by the way, is that I've been very sensitive
through the years about taping MPD cases or ritual-abuse cases, part of it
being that some of that feels a little like using patients and I think that
this population has been used enough. That's part of the reason, by choice,
that I don't generally videotape my work.
I also want to talk a bunch about hypnotic relapse-prevention strategies and
post-integration therapy today. Finally, I hope to find somewhere in our
time-frame to spend on hour or so talking specifically about ritual abuse
and about mind-control programming and brainwashing -- how it's done, how to
get on the inside with that -- which is a topic that in the past I haven't
been willing to speak about publicly, have done that in small groups and in
consultations, but recently decided that it was high time that somebody
started doing it. So we're going to talk about specifics today.
[Applause]
In Chicago at the first international congress where ritual abuse was
talked about I can remember thinking, "How strange and interesting." I can
recall many people listening to an example given that somebody thought was
so idiosyncratic and rare, and all the people coming up after saying, "Gee,
you're treating one, too? You're in Seattle"...Well, I'm in Toronto...Well,
I'm in Florida...Well, I'm in Cincinnati." I didn't know what to think at
that point.
It wasn't too long after that I found my first ritual-abuse patient in
somebody I was already treating and we hadn't gotten that deep yet. Things
in that case made me very curious about the use of mind-control techniques
and hypnosis and other brainwashing techniques. So I started studying
brainwashing and some of the literature in that area and became acquainted
with, in fact, one of the people who'd written one of the better books in
that area. Then I decided to do a survey, and from the ISSMP&D
[International Society for the Study of Multiple Personality and
Dissociation] folks I picked out about a dozen and a half therapists that I
thought were seeing more of that than probably anyone else around and I
started surveying them.
The interview protocol, that I had, got the same reaction almost without
exception. Those therapists said, "You're asking questions I don't know the
answers to. You're asking more specific questions than I've ever asked my
patients." Many of those same therapists said, "Let me ask those questions
and I'll get back to you with the answer." Many of them not only got back
with answers, but said, "You've got to talk to this patient or these two
patients." I ended up doing hundred of dollars worth of telephone
interviewing.
What I came out of that was a grasp of a variety of brainwashing methods
being used all over the country. I started to hear some similarities.
Whereas I hadn't known, to begin with, how widespread things were, I was now
getting a feeling that there were a lot of people reporting some similar
things and that there must be some degree of communication here. Then
approximately two and a half years ago I had some material drop in my lap.
My source was saying a lot of things that I knew were accurate about some of
the brainwashing, but it was telling me new material I had no idea about.
At this point I took and decided to check it out in three ritual-abuse
patients I was seeing at the time. Two of the three had what they were
describing, in careful inquiry without leading or contaminating. The
fascinating thing was that as I did a telephone-consult with a therapist
that I'd been consulting for quite a number of months on an MPD case in
another state, I told her to inquire about certain things. She said, "Well,
what are those things?" I said, "I'm not going to tell you, because I don't
want there to be any possibility of contamination. Just come back to me
and tell me what the patient says."
She called me back two hours later, said, "I just had a double session with
this patient and there was a part of him that said, 'Oh, we're so excited.
If you know about this stuff, you know how the Cult Programmers get on the
inside and our therapy is going to go so much faster.'" Many other patients
since have had a reaction of wanting to pee their pants out of anxiety and
fear rather than thinking it was wonderful thing. But the interesting thing
was that she then asked, "What are these things?" They were word perfect --
same answers my source had given me. I've since repeated that in many parts
of the country. I've consulted in eleven states and one foreign country, in
some cases over the telephone, in some cases in person, in some cases
giving the therapist information ahead of time and saying, "Be very careful how
you phrase this. Phrase it in these ways so you don't contaminate."
In other cases not even giving the therapist information ahead of time so
they couldn't. When you start to find the same highly esoteric information
in different states and different countries, from Florida to California, you
start to get an idea that there's something going on that is very large,
very well coordinated, with a great deal of communication and systematicness
to what's happening. So I have gone from someone kind of neutral and not
knowing what to think about it all to someone who clearly believes ritual
abuse is real and that the people who say it isn't are either naive like
people who didn't want to believe the Holocaust or -- they're dirty.
[Applause]
Now for a long time I would tell a select group of therapists that I knew
and trusted, information and say, "Spread it out. Don't spread my name.
Don't say where it came from. But here's some information. Share it with
other therapists if you find it's on target, and I'd appreciate your
feedback." People would question -- in talks -- and say, you know, they were
hungry for information. Myself, as well as a few others that I've shared it
with, were hedging out of concern and out of personal threats and out of
death threats. I finally decided to hell with them. If they're going to kill
me, they're going to kill me.
It's time to share more information with therapists. Part of that comes
because we proceeded so cautiously and slowly, checking things in many
different locations and find the same thing. So I'm going to give you the
way in with ritual-abuse programming. I certainly can't tell you everything
that you want to know in forty-five or fifty minutes, but I'm going to give
you the essentials to get inside and start working at a new level. I don't
know what proportion, honestly, of patients have this. I would guess that
maybe somewhere around at least fifty percent, maybe as high as
three-quarters, I would guess maybe two- thirds of your ritual-abuse
patients may have this.
What do I think the distinguishing characteristic is? If they were raised
from birth in a mainstream cult or if they were an non-bloodline person,
meaning neither parent was in the Cult, but Cult people had a lot of access
to them in early childhood, they may also have it. I have seen more than one
ritual-abuse patient who clearly had all the kind of ritual things you hear
about. They seemed very genuine. They talked about all the typical things
that you hear in this population, but had none of this programming with
prolonged extensive checking. So I believe in one case I was personally
treating that she was a kind of schizmatic break-off that had kind of gone
off and done their own thing and were no longer hooked into a mainstream
group.
[Pause]
Here's where it appears to have come from. At the end of World War II,
before it even ended, Allen Dulles and people from our Intelligence
Community were already in Switzerland making contact to get out Nazi
scientists. As World War II ends, they not only get out rocket scientists,
but they also get out some Nazi doctors who have been doing mind-control
research in the camps.
They brought them to the United States. Along with them was a young boy, a
teenager, who had been raised in a Hasidic Jewish tradition and a background
of Cabalistic mysticism that probably appealed to people in the Cult because
at least by the turn of the century Aleister Crowley had been introducing
Cabalism into Satanic stuff, if not earlier. I suspect it may have formed
some bond between them. But he saved his skin by collaborating and being an
assistant to them in the death-camp experiments. They brought him with them.
They started doing mind-control research for Military Intelligence in
military hospitals in the United States. The people that came, the Nazi
doctors, were Satanists. Subsequently, the boy changed his name,
Americanized it some, obtained an M.D. degree, became a physician and
continued this work that appears to be at the center of Cult Programming
today. His name is known to patients throughout the country.
[Pause]
What they basically do is they will get a child and they will start this,
in basic forms, it appears, by about two and a half after the child's
already been made dissociative. They'll make him dissociative not only
through abuse, like sexual abuse, but also things like putting a mousetrap
on their fingers and teaching the parents, "You do not go in until the child
stops crying. Only then do you go in and remove it." They start in
rudimentary forms at about two and a half and kick into high gear, it
appears, around six or six and a half, continue through adolescence with
periodic reinforcements in adulthood.
Basically in the programming the child will be put typically on a gurney.
They will have an IV in one hand or arm. They'll be strapped down, typically
naked. There'll be wires attached to their head to monitor
electroencephalograph patterns. They will see a pulsing light, most often
described as red, occasionally white or blue. They'll be given, most
commonly I believe, Demerol. Sometimes it'll be other drugs as well
depending on the kind of programming.
They have it, I think, down to a science where they've learned you give so
much every twenty-five minutes until the programming is done. They then will
describe a pain on one ear, their right ear generally, where it appears a
needle has been placed, and they will hear weird, disorienting sounds in
that ear while they see photic stimulation to drive the brain into a
brainwave pattern with a pulsing light at a certain frequency not unlike the
goggles that are now available through Sharper Image and some of those kinds
of stores. Then, after a suitable period when they're in a certain brainwave
state, they will begin programming, programming oriented to self-destruction
and debasement of the person. In a patient at this point in time about eight
years old who has gone through a great deal early programming took place on
a military installation. That's not uncommon.
I've treated and been involved with cases who are part of this original
mind - control project as well as having their programming on military
reservations in many cases. We find a lot of connections with the CIA. This
patient now was in a Cult school, a private Cult school where several of
these sessions occurred a week. She would go into a room, get all hooked up.
They would do all of these sorts of things. When she was in the proper
altered state, now they were no longer having to monitor it with
electroencephalographs, she also had already had placed on her electrodes,
one in the vagina, for example, four on the head. Sometimes they'll be on
other parts of the body.
They will then begin and they would say to her, "You are angry with someone
in the group." She'd say, "No, I'm not" and they'd violently shock her. They
would say the same thing until she complied and didn't make any negative
response. Then they would continue. "And because you are angry with someone
in the group," or "When you are angry with someone in the group, you will
hurt yourself. Do you understand?" She said, "No" and they shocked her. They
repeated again, "Do you understand?" "Well, yes, but I don't want to." Shock
her again untill they get compliance. Then they keep adding to it. "And you
will hurt yourself by cutting yourself. Do you understand?" Maybe she'd say
yes, but they might say, "We don't believe you" and shock her anyway. "Go
back and go over it again." They would continue in this sort of fashion. She
said typically it seemed as though they'd go about thirty minutes, take a
break for a smoke or something, come back.
They may review what they'd done and stopped or they might review what
they'd done and go on to new material. She said the sessions might go half
an hour, they might go three hours. She estimated three times a week.
Programming under the influence of drugs in a certain brainwave state and
with these noises in one ear and them speaking in the other ear, usually the
left ear, associated with right hemisphere non-dominant brain functioning,
and with them talking, therefore, and requiring intense concentration,
intense focusing. Because often they'll have to memorize and say certain
things back, word-perfect, to avoid punishment, shock, and other kinds of
things that are occurring. This is basically how a lot of programming goes
on. Some of it'll also use other typical brainwashing kinds of techniques.
There will be very standardized types of hypnotic things done at times.
There'll be sensory deprivation which we know increases suggestibility in
anyone total sensory deprivation, suggestibility has significantly
increased, from the research. It's not uncommon for them to use a great deal
of that, including formal sensory-deprivation chambers before they do
certain of these things.
[Pause]
Now let me give you, because we don't have a lot of time, as much practical
information as I can. The way that I would inquire as to whether or not some
of this might be there would be with ideomotor finger-signals. After you've
set them up I would say, "I want the central inner core of you to take
control of the finger-signals." Don't ask the unconscious mind. The case
where you're inquiring about ritual abuse, that's for the central inner
core. The core is a Cult-created part. "And I want that central inner core
of you to take control of this hand of these finger-signals and what it has
for the yes-finger to float up. I want to ask the inner core of you is there
any part of you, any part of Mary," that's the host's name, "who knows
anything about Alpha, Beta, Delta, or Theta."
If you get a Yes, it should raise a red flag that you might have someone
with formal intensive brainwashing and programming in place. I would then
ask and say, "I want a part inside who knows something about Alpha, Beta,
Delta, and Theta to come up to a level where you can speak to me and when
you're here say, 'I'm here.'" I would not ask if a part was willing to. No
one's going to particularly want to talk about this. I would just say, "I
want some part who can tell me about this to come out." Without leading them
ask them what these things are. I've had consults where I've come in.
Sometimes I've gotten a Yes to that, but as I've done exploration it
appeared to be some kind of compliance response or somebody wanting, in two
or three cases, to appear maybe that they were ritual abuse and maybe they
were in some way, but with careful inquiry and looking it was obvious that
they did not have what we were looking for. Let me tell you what these are.
Let's suppose that this whole front row here are multiples and that she has
an alter named Helen and she has one named Mary, she has one named Gertrude,
she has one named Elizabeth, and she has one named Monica. Every one of
those alters may have put on it a program, perhaps designated
alpha-zero-zero-nine a Cult person could say, "Alpha-zero-zero-nine" or make
some kind of hand gesture to indicate this and get the same part out in any
one of them even though they had different names that they may be known by
to you. Alphas appear to represent general programming, the first kind of
things put in. Betas appear to be sexual programs. For example, how to
perform oral sex in a certain way, how to perform sex in rituals, having to
do with producing child pornography, directing child pornography,
prostitution.
Deltas are killers trained in how to kill in ceremonies. There'll also be
some self-harm stuff mixed in with that, assassination and killing. Thetas
are called psychic killers. You know, I had never in my life heard those two
terms paired together. I'd never heard the words "psychic killers" put
together, but when you have people in different states, including therapists
inquiring and asking, "What is Theta," and patients say to them, "Psychic
killers," it tends to make one a believer that certain things are very
systematic and very widespread.
This comes from their belief in psychic sorts of abilities and powers,
including their ability to psychically communicate with "mother'" including
their ability to psychically cause somebody to develop a brain aneurysm and
die. It also is a more future-oriented kind of programming. Then there's
Omega. I usually don't include that word when I say my first question about
this or any part inside that knows about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta because
Omega will shake them even more. Omega has to do with self-destruct
programming.
Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. This can include
self-mutilation as well as killing-themselves programming. Gamma appears to
be system-protection and deception programming which will provide
misinformation to you, try to misdirect you, tell you half-truths, protect
different things inside. There can also be other Greek letters. I'd
recommend that you go and get your entire Greek alphabet and if you have
verified that some of this stuff is present and they have given you some of
the right answers about what some of this material is, and I can't underline
enough: DO NOT LEAD THEM. Do not say, "Is this killers?" Get the answer from
them, please.
When you've done this and it appears to be present, I would take your
entire Greek alphabet and, with ideomotor signals, go through the alphabet
and say, "Is there any programming inside associated with epsilon, omicron,"
and go on through. There may be some sytematicness to some of the other
letter, but I'm not aware of it. I've found, for example, in one case that
Zeta had to do with the
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Now there are many different layers of this stuff is the problem. Let me
come over to the overhead and give some ideas about them. What we have up
here are innumerable alters. I'll tell you one of the fascinating things
I've seen. I remember a little over a year ago coming in to see some cases,
some of the tough cases at a dissociative-disorders unit of a couple of the
finest of the MPD therapists in this country, who are always part of all the
international meetings, have lectured internationally. We worked and I look
at some of their patients. They were amazed at certain things because they
had not been aware of this before.
As we worked with some of the patients and confirmed it, I remember one
woman who'd been inpatient for three years, still was inpatient. Another who
had one intensive year of inpatient work with all the finest MPD therapy you
can imagine -- abreactions, integrations, facilitating cooperation, art
therapy, on and on and on, journaling, intensively for one inpatient year
followed by an intensive year of outpatient therapy two, three hours a week.
In both patients we found out that all of this great work had done nothing
but deal with the alters up here and had not touched the mind-control
programming. In fact it was not only intact, but we found that the one who
was outpatient was having her therapy monitored every session by her mother,
out-of-state, over the telephone, and that she still had intact suggestions
that had been given to her at a certain future time to kill her therapist.
Now one of the things that I would very carefully check is, I would suggest
that you ask the core, not just the unconscious mind, ask the core, "Is
there any part inside that continues to have contact with people associated
with the Cult? Is there any part inside who goes to Cult rituals or
meetings? Is there a recording device inside of Mary," if that's the host's
name, "a recording device inside so that someone can find out the things
that are said in sessions?"
This doesn't mean they're monitored. Many of them just simply have it. "Is
there someone who debriefs some part inside for what happens in our therapy
sessions?" I have the very uncomfortable feeling from some past experience
that when you look at this you will find the large proportion of
ritual-abuse victims in this country are having their ongoing therapy
monitored.
I remember a woman who came in about twenty-four years old, claimed her
father was a Satanist. Her parents divorced when she was six. After that it
would only when her father had visitation and he would take her to rituals
sometimes up until age fifteen. She said, "I haven't gone to anything since
I was fifteen." Her therapist believed this at face value. We sat in my
office. We did a two- hour inquiry using hypnosis. We found the
programming present.
In addition to that we found that every therapy session was debriefed and
in fact they had told her to get sick and not come to the appointment with
me. Another one had been told that I was Cult and that if she came I would
know that she'd been told not to come and I would punish her. If anything
meaningful comes out in a patient who's being monitored like that -- from
what I've learned thus far, they're tortured with electric shocks -- my
belief is if they're in that situation you can't do meaningful therapy other
than being supportive and caring and letting them know you care a lot and
you'll be there to support them. But I wouldn't try to work with any kind of
deep material or deprogramming with them because I think it can do nothing
but get them tortured and hurt unless they can get into a safe, secure
inpatient unit for an extended period of time to do some of the work required.
I have a feeling that when you make inquiries you're going to find that
probably greater than fifty percent of these patients, if they're bloodline,
meaning mother or dad or both involved, will be monitored on some ongoing
basis.
[Pause]
Now when you come below the alters, you then have Alpha, Beta, Delta,
Theta, so and so forth, the Greek-letter programming and they will then have
backup programs. There will typically be an erasure code for the backups.
There may be one code that combines all the backups into one and then an
erasure code for them, simply one code that erases all the backups. So I
will get the code for, let's say, Omega and for all the Omega backups at the
same time.
After I've asked "What will happen if I give this," I will give the code and
then I will say, "What are you experiencing?" They often describe computer
whirring, things erasing, explosions inside, all sorts of interesting
things. I've had some therapists come back and say, "My Lord, I had never
said anything about robots she said something about robots vaporizing." I
remember one therapist who'd been with me in several hypnosis workshops and
consulted with me about a crisis MPD situation. I told her to inquire about
Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta. She did. She got back to me saying, "Yeah, I got
an indication it's there. What is it?" I said, "I'm not going to tell you.
Go back and inquire about some of this."
We set an appointment for a week or so hence. She got back with me and
said, "I asked what Theta was and she said, 'psychic killers.' I asked her
what Delta was and she said 'killers.'" Okay. So I told her about some of
this stuff for a two hour consult. She called back and she said, "This
seemed too fantastic. I heard this and I thought, 'Has Cory been working too
hard?'" she said, I'm embarrassed to admit it, but she said, "I held you in
high professional regard, but this just sounded so off in the twilight zone
that I really thought, 'Is he having a nervous breakdown or something?'" She
said, "But I respected you enough to ask about this." She said, "I asked
another MPD patient and she didn't have any of this."
So in this patient she started describing things and how she worked, for
example, with an erasure and she was describing things like robots
vaporizing and kinds of things. She said, "I hadn't told her about any of
these things." Well, here's the problem. There are different layers and I
think some of them are designed to keep us going in circles forever. They
figured we probably, in most cases, wouldn't get below the alters which they
purposefully created.
The way you create Manchurian Candidates is you divide the mind. It's
part of what the Intelligence Community wanted to look at. If you're going
to get an assassin, you're going to get somebody to go do something, you
divide the mind. It fascinates me about cases like the assassination of
Robert Kennedy, where Bernard Diamond, on examining Sirhan Sirhan found that
he had total amnesia of the killing of Robert Kennedy, but under hypnosis
could remember it. But despite suggestions he would be able to consciously
remember, could not remember a thing after he was out of hypnosis. I'd love
to examine Sirhan Sirhan.
It appears that below this we've got some other layers. One is called
"Green Programming" it appears. Isn't it interesting that the doctor's name
is Dr. Green? One of the questions in a way that does not contaminate is
after I've identified some of this stuff is there and they've given me a few
right answers about what some of it is, "If there were a doctor associated
with this programming and his name were a color, you know, like Dr.
Chartreuse or something, if his name were a color, what color would the
color be?"
Now once in a while I've had some other colors mentioned in about three or
four patients that I felt were trying to dissimulate in some way and I don't
really believe had this. In one case I got another color and I found out
later it was a doctor whose name was a color who was being trained by Dr.
Green almost thirty years ago and he supervised part of the programming of
this woman under this doctor.
I remember one woman couldn't come up with anything. No alter would speak
up with anything. I said, "Okay," and we went on to some other material.
About two minutes later she said, "Green. Do you mean Dr. Green?" We found
this all over. There appears to be some Green Programming below that and I
suspect that you get down to fewer and more central programs the deeper you
go. Well, all Green Programming is Ultra-Green and the Green Tree.
Cabalistic mysticism is mixed all into this. If you're going to work with
this you need to pick up a couple of books on the Cabala. One is by a man
named Dion Fortune called "Qabala" with a "q," Dion Fortune.
Another is by Ann Williams-Heller and it's called "The Kabbalah." I knew
nothing about the Cabala. It was interesting. A patient had sat in my
waiting area, got there considerably early and drew a detailed multicolored
Cabalistic Tree over two years ago. It took me two months to figure out what
it was. Finally, showing it to somebody else who said, "You know? That looks
an awful lot like the Cabala Tree" and that rang a bell with some esoteric
in an old book and I dug it out. That was the background of Dr. Green.
Now the interesting thing about the Green Tree is his original name was
Greenbaum. What does "greenbaum" mean in German? Green Tree, Ultra-Tree and
the Green Tree. I've also had patients who didn't appear to know that his
original name was Greenbaum, volunteered that there were parts inside named
Mr. Greenbaum. Now let me give you some information about parts inside that
may be helpful to you if you're going to inquire about these things, because
my experience is one part will give you some information and either run dry
or get defensive or scared and stop. And so you punt and you make an end run
and you come around the other direction, you find another part.
I'll tell you several parts to ask for and ask if there's a part by this
name. And, by the way, when I'm screening patients and fiddling around with
this, I throw in a bunch of spurious ones and ask, "Is there a part inside
by this name and by that name" as a check on whether or not it appears
genuine. For example. "In addition to the core," I ask, "is there a part
inside named Wisdom?" Wisdom is a part of the Cabalistic Tree. Wisdom, I've
often found, will be helpful and give you a lot of information. "Is there a
part inside named Diana?" I mean I may throw in all sorts of things. "Is
there a part inside named Zelda?" I've never encountered one yet! Just to
see what kind of answers we get. I try to do this carefully.
Diana is a part that, in the Cabalistic system, is associated with a part
called the Foundation. You will be fascinated to know that. Remember the
Process Church? Roman Polanski's wife, Sharon Tate, was killed by the Manson
Family who were associated with the Process Church? A lot of prominent
people in Hollywood were associated and then they went underground, the
books say, in about seventy - eight and vanished? Well, they're alive and
well in southern Utah. We have a thick file in the Utah Department of Public
Safety documenting that they moved to southern Utah, north of Monument
Valley, bought a movie ranch in the desert, renovated it, expanded it, built
a bunch of buildings there, carefully monitored so that very few people go
out of there and no one can get in and changed their name.
A key word in their name is "Foundation." The Foundation. There are some
other words. The Foundation is part of the Tree. So you can ask, "Is there
something inside known as The Foundation?" I might ask other things to throw
people off. "Is there something known as the Sub-Basement?" Well, maybe
they'll conceive of something. Or "Is there something known as the Walls?"
There are a variety of questions you can come up with, to sort of screen
some things.
I've also found that there will often be a part called "Black Master," a
part called "Master Programmer," and that there will be computer operators
inside. How many of you have come into computer things in patients? There
will typically be computer operators: Computer Operator Black, Computer
Operator Green, Computer Operator Purple. Sometimes they'll have numbers
instead, sometimes they'll be called Systems Information Directors. You can
find out the head one of those. There'll be a source of some information for
you. I will ask inside, "Is there a part inside named Dr. Green?" You'll
find that there are, if they have this kind of programming, in my experience.
Usually with a little work and reframing, you can turn them and help them to
realize that they were really a child-part who's playing a role and they had
no choice then, but they do now. You know, they played their role very, very
well, but they don't have to continue to play it with you because they're
safe here and in fact, "If the Cult simply found out that you talked to me,
that they you had shared information with me, you tell me what would they do
to you?" Emphasize that the only way out is through me and that they need to
cooperate and share information and help me and that I'll help them. So all
these parts can give you various information.
Now they have tried to protect this very carefully. Let me give you an
example with Ultra-Green. I discovered this -- by the way I used to think
this programming was only in bloodline people. I've discovered it in
non-bloodline people, but it's a bit different. They don't want it to be
just the same. I don't think you'll find deep things like Ultra-Green and
probably not even Green Programming with non-bloodline people. But let me
tell you something that I discovered first in a non-bloodline and then in a
bloodline. We were going along and a patient was close to getting well,
approaching final integration in a non-bloodline and she suddenly started
hallucinating and her fingers were becoming hammers and other things like
that.
So I used an affect-bridge and we went back and we found that what happened
was that they gave suggestions, that if she ever got well to a certain point
she would go crazy. The way they did this was they strapped her down and
they gave her LSD when she was eight years old. When she began hallucinating
they inquired about the nature of the hallucinations so they could utilize
them in good Ericsonian fashion and build on them and then combine the
drug-effect with powerful suggestions. "If you ever get to this point you
will go crazy. If you ever get fully integrated and get well you will go
crazy like this and will be locked up in an institution for the rest of your
life. They gave those suggestions vigorously and repetitively.
Finally they introduced other suggestions that, "Rather than have this
happen, it would be easier to just kill yourself." In a bloodline patient
then, as I began inquiring about deep material, the patient started to
experience similar symptoms. We went back and we found the identical things
were done to her.
This was called the "Green Bomb." B-O-M-B. Lots of interesting internal
consistencies like that play on words with Dr. Greenbaum, his original name.
Now in this case it was done to her at age nine for the first time and then
only hers was different. Hers was a suggestion for amnesia. "If you ever
remember anything about Ultra-Green and the Green Tree you will go crazy.
You will become a vegetable and be locked up forever."
Then finally the suggestion's added, "And it'll be easier to just kill
yourself than have that happen to you, if you ever remember it." At age
twelve then, three years later, they used what sounds like an Amytol
interview to try to breach the amnesia and find out if they could. They
couldn't. So then they strapped her down again, took and gave her something
to kind of paralyze her body, gave her LSD, an even bigger dose and
reinforced all the suggestions. Did a similar thing at the age of sixteen.
So these are some of the kind of booby traps you run into.
There are a number of cases where they combined powerful drug effects like
this with suggestions to keep us from discovering some of this deeper level
stuff. What's the bottom? Your guess is as good as mine but I can tell you
that I've had a lot of therapists who were stymied with these cases who were
going nowhere. In fact someone here that I told some basic information about
this to in Ohio a couple of months ago said it opened all sorts of things up
in a patient who'd been going nowhere. That's an often common thing.
I think that we can move down to deeper levels and if we deal with some of
the deeper level stuff it may destroy all the stuff above it. But we don't
even know that yet. In some of the patients I'm working with we have pretty
much dealt with a lot of the top-level stuff. I'll tell you how we've done
some of that. We'll take and erase one system like Omega.
Then we will have a huge abreaction of all the memories and feelings in a
fractionated abreaction associated with those parts. I typically find I'll
say to them, "Now that we've done this are there any other memories and
feelings that any parts that were Omega still have?" The answer's usually
"No." At that point I will say, "I usually find at this point in time the
majority, if not all, of those parts that used to be Omega no longer feel a
desire or need to be different, realizing that you split off originally by
them and want to go home to Mary and become one with her again."
I use the concept often now -- which came from a patient -- of going home
and becoming one with her. "Going back from whence you came" is another
phrase I'll use with them. "Are there any Omega parts inside who do not feel
comfortable with that or have reservations or concerns about that?" If there
are we talk to them. We deal with them. A few may not integrate. My
experience is most of the time they'll integrate and we may integrate
twenty-five parts at once in a polyfragmented complex MPD.
I think it is vitally important to abreact the feelings before you go on.
Also for many patients it hasn't seemed to matter the order we go in but
I've found a couple where it has. If it doesn't seem to matter I'll
typically go Omega, then Delta because they have more violence potential,
then Gamma to get rid of the self-deception stuff. What I will do before I
just assume anything and do that, is once we've done Omega and showed them
that success can occur and something can happen and they feel relief after,
I will say to them, "I want to ask the core -- through the fingers -- is
there a specific order in which programs must be erased?"
You know maybe it doesn't matter but most of the time I found "No." There
are cases where we found "Yes." I recommend doing one or two or three of
those because they'll produce relief and and a sense of optimism in the
patient. But then I would recommend starting to probe for the deeper level
things and getting their input and recommendations about the order in which
we go.
Question?
Q: What has been the typical age and typical gender of this type of person?
Dr.H: I know of this being found in men and women. Most of the patients I
know with MPD ritual abuse that are being treated are women, however. I know
of some men being treated where we've found this. A while back I was talking
to a small group of therapists somewhere. I told them about some of this. In
the middle of talking about some of this all the color drained out of one
social worker's face and she obviously had a reaction and I asked her about
and she said, "I'm working with a five-year-old boy," and she said, "Just in
the last few weeks he was saying something about a Dr. Green." I went on a
little further and I mentioned some of these things and she just
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Q: It seems to me that there seems to be some similarity between these
kinds of programming and those people who claim that they've been abducted
by spaceships and have had themselves physically probed and reprogrammed and
all of that sort of thing. Since Cape Canaveral is across the Florida
peninsula from me and I don't think that they've reported any spaceships
lately, I was just wondering is there any sort of relationship between this
and that?
Dr.H: I'll share my speculation, that comes from others really. I've not
dealt with any of those people. However, I know a therapist that I know and
trust and respect who I've informed about all this a couple of years ago and
has found it in a lot of patients and so on, who is firmly of the belief
that those people are in fact ritual-abuse victims who have been programmed
with that sort of thing to destroy all their credibility. If somebody's
coming in and reporting abduction by a flying saucer who's going to believe
them on anything else in the future?
Also as a kind of thing that can be pointed to and said, "This is as
ridiculous as that." All I know is that I recently had a consult, a
telephone consult, with a therapist where I had been instructing her about
some of this kind of stuff. When we were consulting at one point in the
fifth or sixth interview she said, "By the way, do you know anything about
this topic?" I said, "Well, not really" and shared with her what I shared
with you. I said, "If it were me being with this guy..." that she'd been
seeing for a couple of months, I said, "I would ask inside for the core to
take control of finger-signals and inquire about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta."
She proceeded to do all that, got back to me a week later and said, "Boy,
were you on target. There is a part inside named Dr. Green. There's this
kind of programming."
Yes?
Q: What's the difference between this kind of program and
cult-type abuse and Satanic abuse in the kind of cults
with the candles and the...
Dr.H: This type of programming will be done in the cults with the candles
and all the rest. My impression is this is simply done in people where they
have great access to them or they're bloodline and their parents are in it
and they can be raised in it from an early age. If they are bloodline they
are the chosen generation. If not, they're expendable and they are expected
to die and not get well. There will be booby traps in your way if they
aren't non-bloodline people that when they get well they will kill
themselves. I'll tell you just a little about that.
My belief is that some people that have ritual abuse and don't have this
have been ritually abused but they may be may be part of a non-mainstream
group. The Satanism comes in the overall philosophy overriding all of this.
People say, "What's the purpose of it?" My best guess is that the purpose of
it is that they want an army of Manchurian Candidates, ten of thousands of
mental robots who will do prostitution, do child pornography, smuggle drugs,
engage in international arms smuggling, do snuff films, all sorts of very
lucrative things and do their bidding and eventually the megalomaniacs at
the top believe they'll create a Satanic Order that will rule the world.
One last question. Then I'll give you couple of details and we need to shift
gears.
Q: You have suggested and implied that at some point at a high level of the
U.S. Government there was support of this kind of thing. I know we're short
of time, but could you just say a few words about the documentation that may
exist for that suggestion?
Dr.H: There isn't great documentation of it. It comes from victims who are
imperiled witnesses. The interesting thing is how many people have described
the same scenario and how many people that we have worked with who have had
relatives in NASA, in the CIA and in the Military, including very high-ups
in the Military. I can tell you that a friend and colleague of mine who has
probably the equivalent of half the table space on that far side of the room
filled with boxes with declassified documents from mind-control research
done in the past which has been able to be declassified over a considerable
-- couple of decades -- period and has read more government documents about
mind control than anyone else, has a brief that has literally been sent in
the past week and a half asking for all information to be declassified about
the Monarch Project for us to try to find out more.
Now let me just mention something about some of the stuff that my experience
is in several patients now that you may run into late in the process. I know
I'm throwing a lot at you in a hurry. Some of it is completely foreign and
some of you may think, "Gosh, could any of this be true?" Just, you know,
ask. Find out in your patients and you may be lucky and there isn't any of
this. Somewhere at a deep level you may run into some things like this.
Let me describe to you, if I can find my pen, the system in one patient.
One patient I had treated for quite a while, a non-bloodline person. We had
done what appeared to be successful work and reached final integration. She
came back to me early last year and said she was symptomatic with some
things. I started inquiring. I found a part there we'd integrated. The part
basically said, "There was other stuff that I couldn't tell you about and
you integrated me and so I had to split off."
I had done some inquiring about things like Alpha, Beta as a routine part of
it and found they were there and I said to this part, "Why didn't you tell
me about this stuff?" She said, "Well, we gave you some hints but they went
right over your head." Says, "I'm sorry, but we know that you didn't know
enough to help us but now we know you can." So the stuff started coming out.
It was interesting. She described the overall system -- if I can remember it
now -- as being like this.
The circle represented harm to the body, a system of alters whose primary
purpose was to hurt her including symptoms like Munchhausen's, self-
mutilation, other kinds of things. Each of the triangles represented still
another different system. She said, "With the exception of me," this one
part, "you dealt with the whole circle with the work that we did before but
you didn't touch the rest of the stuff." Okay.
In the middle of all this was still another system consisting of the
Cabalistic Tree, which some of you are aware, looks approximately like this
with lines in between and so on and so forth. There's a rough approximation.
That represented another system. Then once we got past that she implied that
this entire thing was somehow encompassed by, what do you call it, an
hourglass. I kept thinking we were at final integration then I'd find some
other parts. This person had an eagle-eye husband that was watching for
certain things that we found to be reliable indicators. So often I would get
evidence of dissociation within a few days. It would suddenly be picked up.
You know, what we found was I continued to find evidence of dissociation and
I'd find parts. Finally this part, as I got angry with him and said, "Why
when I give these ideomotor inquiries am I getting lied to?" This part said,
"Because you don't understand. You're going to get us all killed." We
started talking and then she basically said, "It's been programed so that if
you succeed and think you've succeeded, you will fail. They build it in as a
way to laugh at you, that if you ever get us integrated, we will die."
Here's what she said, this part said, "I'm one of twelve disciples," and
I've seen this in others, twelve disciples within this hourglass each of
whom had to memorize a disciple-lesson which were basic Satanic kind of
premises, philosophies of life like "be good to those who hurt you, hate
those who are nice to you," on and on and on. There may be two or three
sentences like that associated with each that they had to memorize them.
They said, "We are like grains of sand falling and when the last grain of
sand falls, there's Death." I said, "Is Death a part?"
"Yes. When the last grain of sand falls the Sleeping Giant awakens."
The Sleeping Giant was Death, who was then to kill them on Day-One or
Day-Six after awakening unless certain things were followed and we did some
of those. Well we also found Death had a sister as a backup, used with
mirrors to create the sister part. We had to get past and deal with that too.
Death had certain things that they said had to be done to integrate. I
started to say, "Oh, come on, they lied to you before." She said, "Wait a
minute. This what they said you'd say. They said that no doctor would ever
believe that they had to go these extremes to get us well and that's part of
the reason they'd fail." I said, "Well, tell me, tell me again." She said,
"I have to be dressed all in red. I have to have Demerol onboard, have taken
Demerol. A code has to be given and it has to be in a room that's totally
dark. It has to happen on Day-One or Day-Six after this part's been awakened."
I said what I'd have to lose? I had a psychiatrist give her a little
Demerol. We used the code. My office didn't have any windows anyway. It was
pretty easy. Oh, and there had to be four, I think, candles lit. Well, fine.
So we did it and everything went well. Maybe it would have gone well if we
hadn't done it, but I decided not to take the chance and to trust the
patient maybe. Well, so we go on and then we find another part. There's
Death And Destruction, another backup also with a sister that we had to get
through. In fact, I think there were two backups there. Interestingly, the
very last part was an extremely nice part, made especially that way so that
they wouldn't want to lose them because they would be so adorable and so
loving and so sweet that they wouldn't want to maybe get rid of them.
Then we found that she continued to have these feelings with this last part
left now of darkness and blackness inside. What did we find? A curtain. She
said, "They assumed that if you ever got to this point, you would," and
along the way, by the way, we had encountered this stuff about the LSD
stuff, the Green Bomb programming. The message was that she said, "There is
a curtain behind which are the remaining feelings and memories, but it can't
be opened from the middle. It's like a stage curtain. It has to opened this
way," that it can't be opened. They assumed that you would try to deal with
all the feelings.
That can't be opened until you've dealt with that last part and they've
integrated. So far it looks like we've got integration that's holding. So I
found Death And Destruction and the Hourglass in non-bloodline. "The Tree
and the Hourglass," this patient informed me, "were made of sand because we
were meant to die. We're expendable. We're the unchosen generation." I've
heard variously that it's crystals or blood that fills the Hourglass in
bloodline people. By the way, you can do real simple things like turn the
Hourglass on its side so nothing can fall out, so time stands still to be
able to do certain kinds of work.
Spread the grains of sand on the seashore so that they can't be numbered
and the time will not be counted. Got that idea from a ritual-abuse victim
who had seen some of this kind of programming done that another therapist
was seeing. So those would be just a few other hints about things that may
be helpful or meaningful. We're talking about very intensive things and at
deep levels to me this give us two things. One thing it gives to me is
hope because it gets to material and it makes progress like nothing else
we've ever seen with these people who have it. The second thing it does for
me is it demoralizes me, too, because although three years ago I had a
pretty good idea about the extent and breadth of what they'd done to these
victims, I had no real appreciation for the depth and breadth and intensity
of what they'd done.
I want to come back to the other question over here now. The other
question is how many of them can get well? We don't know. In most things in
the mental health profession we accept two-thirds of the patients are going
to improve, maybe seventy percent. There's very little we can get everybody
well. I think one of the sad things we have to face is that many of these
patients will probably never be well. My personal belief is that if they are
being messed with their only hope of getting well is if they can somehow get
out of contact. Now I know patients who've gone to other states and simply
had deep- level alters pick up the phone and call and said, "This is our new
address and phone number" so that they could be picked up locally. I mean in
an inpatient unit for an extended period of time.
If they are in a Cult from their area and they are still being monitored and
messed with, my own personal opinion is we can't get them well and can't
offer more than humanitarian caring and supportiveness. Lots of therapists
do not like to hear that. That's my opinion. I believe that if somehow
they're lucky enough to be wealthy enough to have protection, to have
somehow gotten away in some way and we can work with them without being
messed with, that they have a chance to reach some semblance of normality
and livability with enough intensive work. My own personal belief is I don't
think anybody with this kind of programming is well in this country yet.
There are some who are well along the way. I've got a couple who are well
along in their work and have done a tremendous amount, but they're clearly
not well yet.
Q: Could you speculate on the relationship between this stuff and the
fantasy games that have been proliferating, Dungeons and Dragons and that
sort of thing?
Dr.H: Well, there are a lot of things out there to cue people. You want
to see a great movie, interesting movie, to cue people? Go see "Trancers
II." You can rent it in your video shop. Came out last fall. One night in
sheer desperation for something at the video store, you know? Nine o'clock
on Friday night. Everything's gone. I rented a couple of movies and one of
them is that. Fascinating. They're talking about Green World Order. Yes,
"Trancers II." And who is the production company? Full Moon Productions. I
couldn't see much cuing in "Trancers I," but who's the production company in
"Trancers I"?
Alter Productions. There are lots of things around that are cuing. There's
an interesting person in the late sixties who talked about the Illuminati.
Have any of you ever heard of the Illuminati with regard to the Cult? Had a
patient bring that up to me just about exactly two years ago. We've now had
other stuff come out from other patients.
Appears to be the name of the international world leadership. There appear
to be Illuminatic Counsels in several parts of the world and one
internationally. The name of the international leadership of the Cult
supposedly. Is this true? well, I don't know. It's interesting we're getting
some people who are trying to work without cuing who are saying some very
similar things. There was an old guy in Hollywood in the late sixties who
talked about the infiltration of Hollywood by the Illuminati.
Certainly what some patients have said is all of this spook stuff, horror
stuff, possession and everything else that's been popularized in the last
twenty years in Hollywood is in order to soften up the public so that when a
Satanic world order takes over, everyone will have been desensitized to so
many of these things, plus to continually cue lots of people out there. is
that true? Well, I can't definitely tell you that it is. What I can say is I
now believe that ritual-abuse programming is widespread, is systematic, is
very organized from highly esoteric information which is published nowhere,
has not been on any book or talk show, that we have found all around this
country and at least one foreign country.
Let's take a couple of quick questions and we need to get on to other
material. Yes?
Q: Do you have any techniques for decreasing your level of uncertainty that
a patient is or is not being still tampered with, "messed with," as you said?
Dr.H: Just that I would ask several of the parts I've inquired about, Core,
Diana, Wisdom, Master Programmer, several parts inside I would ask about
these sorts of things and I will keep asking it. As you do additional work
and get a bit further, I would ask again to find out. In the back?
Q: I wonder if you've heard or you know of the Martin Luther Bloodline?
Dr.H: The what?
Q: Martin Luther Bloodline?
Dr.H: I know nothing about Martin Luther Bloodline. I'll give you one other
quick tip. Ask him about an identification code. There's an identification
code that people have. It will involve their birth date. It may involve
places where they were programmed and it will usually involve a number in
there that will be their birth order, like zero-two if they were
second-born. It will usually involve a number that represents the number of
generations in the Cult, if they are bloodlines. I've seen up to twelve now,
twelve generations.
Q: I have seen a lot of the things you've been describing today in several
patients. I wanted to ask you a question about the Seven Systems. You
mentioned something about systems here. Are there Seven Systems?
Dr.H: There has been that described in some patients, yes, the Seven Systems.
Q: Could you say what that is or a little diagram?
Dr.H: I don't think we know enough to know what it is, honestly. I think
it may have to do with Seven Cabalistic Trees.
Q: Have you ever had any evidence where any of these people have been tagged
and there have been anything of their body-parts that might be related to
this, private parts in particular?
Dr.H: Well, there are certainly people that have had tattoos, that have had
a variety of other kinds of things, some of which have been, you know,
documented in cases, but I mean to say, well, maybe they did that to
themselves or had it done consciously to really prove something, not that
occurs to right off the bat. Let me just take this one last question back
and we need to go on to other material because we're never going to get
through it all. I'll just ask you to hold your question.
Q: It's not a question but I wanted to say for myself, personally, and
perhaps for others here as well, I wanted to thank you very sincerely for
taking this time to come forward.
[Applause]
Dr.H: Well,
[Applause]
Q: Does anyone want to join us for a standing ovation for this material?
It's wonderful.
[Sustained applause]
Dr.H: A dear friend who's one of the top people in the field, who I know has
had death threats, but I know struggled for professional credibility in
believing in MPD and was harshly criticized for even believing in that ten
and fifteen years ago, and struggled to a point of professional credibility.
I think in his heart of hearts he knows it's true, but he will say things
like, "I wouldn't be surprised to find tomorrow it was an international
conspiracy and I wouldn't be surprised to find tomorrow that it is an urban
myth and rumor." He tries to stay right on the fence and the reason is
because it's controversial, because there is a campaign underway saying
these all false memories induced by, along with incest and everything else,
by "Oprah" and by books like "The Courage to Heal" and by naive therapists
using hypnosis. It's controversial. My personal opinion has come to be if
they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me.
There's going to be an awful lot of information that's been put away
that'll go to investigative reporters and multiple investigative agencies,
if it happens, and an awful lot of people like you , I hope, that if I ever
have an accident will be pushing for a very large-scale investigation. I
think we have to stand up as some kind of moral conscience at some point and
I tried to wait until we had gotten enough verification from independent
places to have some real confidence that this was widespread. I know we've
gone like a house afire to try to pack as much as I could in for you. I hope
it's given you some things to think about and some new ideas and I
appreciate being with you.
[Long sustained applause]
Q: Yeah, I'd like to know that. What kind of data do you have given that
you've had contact with large numbers of people. Not just threats but also
any injury, any family problems that have arisen. That's one question. A
second one is are you aware of anybody that you've treated ** or others **
with this level of dissociation and trauma that have recovered? Integrated?
Whole and happy?
Dr.H: Okay, I have one non-bloodline multiple, complex multiple who had this
kind of programming where they have a lot of access to the patient as
neighbors and where the doctor, by the way, you'll find physicians heavily
involved. They've encouraged their own to go to medical school, to prescribe
drugs to take care of their own, to get access to medical technology and be
above suspicion. There have been a couple, in fact, in Utah who've been
nailed now. We now in Utah have two full time ritual-abuse investigators
with statewide jurisdiction under the Attorney General's Office to do
nothing but investigate this.
[Applause]
Okay? In a poll done in the State of Utah in January by the major newspaper
and television station, they found that ninety percent of Utahans believe
that ritual abuse is genuine and real. Not all of them believe it's a
frequent occurrence but some of that was imparted from two years of work by
the Governor Commission on Ritual Abuse, interviewing, talking, meeting
people, gathering data. Now when people say, by the way, "There's no
evidence. They've never found a body," that's baloney. They found a body in
Idaho of a child.
They've had a case last summer that was convicted on first-degree murder
charges, two people that the summer before that were arrested where the
teenaged girl's finger and head were in the refrigerator and they were
convicted of first-degree murder in Detroit. There have been cases and
bodies. Back to risk. I know of no therapist who's been harmed. But patients
inform us that there will come a future time where we could be at risk of
being assassinated by patients who've been programmed to kill at a certain
time anyone that they've told and any member of their own family who's not
active. If that would come about is speculative. Who knows for sure? Maybe,
but I don't think it's entirely without risk.
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