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Interview with Pakistan General 

From: "Daniel Johns"  
To: "MySelf"   minuteman53@mindspring.com 
Subject: Interview with Pakistan General 
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:55:21 -0400 X-Mailer:

United Press International | September 26, 2001 

RAWALPINDI, Pakistan -- The retired Pakistani general who is closest to 
the Taliban and Osama bin Laden contends the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New 
York City and Washington were the work of renegade U.S. Air Force elements 
working with the Israelis. Gen. Hameed Gul led Pakistan's Inter Services 
Intelligence during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Gul 
serves as an adviser to Pakistan's extremist religious political parties, which 
oppose their government's decision to support the United States in any action 
against 

Afghanistan's Taliban regime. Gul contends bin Laden had nothing to do 
with the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, saying instead that they 
were the work of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service -- a version of 
events that has been endorsed by Islamic fundamentalist clerics and is widely 
accepted by Muslims throughout the Arab world. 

Here is the transcript of the exclusive interview Gul gave to Arnaud de 
Borchgrave, United Press International editor at large: 

De Borchgrave: So who did Black Sept. 11? 

Gul: Mossad and its accomplices. The U.S. spends $40 billion a year 
on its 11 intelligence agencies. That's $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush 
Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it. Within 10 
minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN said 
Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the 
real perpetrators. It created an instant mindset and put public opinion into a 
trance, which prevented even intelligent people from thinking for themselves. 

Q: So you're already convinced bin Laden didn't do it? 

A: I know bin Laden and his associates. I've been with them here, in 
Europe and the Middle East. They are graduates of the best universities and are 
highly intelligent with impressive degrees and speak impeccable English. These 
are people who have rediscovered fundamental Islamic values. Many come from the 
Gulf countries where ruling royal families have generated hatred by 
the way they flout divine law, wasting billions on gratifying their 
whims, jetting around in large private jets by themselves, and sailing the 
Mediterranean in big private boats for weeks on end. Osama's best recruits come 
from feudal areas that are U.S. protectorates and where millions of poor people 
are seeking human dignity. I have even visited a Christian convent school in 
Murree, 60 miles from here, where my 13-year-old daughter is studying. The young 
girls there have told me Osama is their hero. Osama's followers identify with 
Mujahideen freedom fighters wherever they are defending Islam and its values. 

Q: So what makes you think Osama wasn't behind Sept. 11? 

A: From a cave inside a mountain or a peasant's hovel? Let's be 
serious. Osama inspires countless millions by standing up for Islam against 
American and Israeli imperialism. He doesn't have the means for such a 
sophisticated operation. 

Q: Why Mossad? 

A: Mossad and its American associates are the obvious culprits. Who 
benefits from the crime? The attacks against the twin towers started at 8:45 
a.m. and four flights are diverted from their assigned air space and no air 
traffic controller sounds the alarm. And no Air Force jets scramble until 10 
a.m. That also smacks of a small scale Air Force rebellion, a coup against the 
Pentagon perhaps? Radars are jammed, transponders fail. No IFF -- friend or foe 
identification -- challenge. In Pakistan, if there is no  response to IFF, jets 
are instantly scrambled and the aircraft is shot down with no further questions 
asked. This was clearly an inside job. Bush was afraid and rushed to the shelter 
of a nuclear bunker. He clearly feared a nuclear situation. Who could that have 
been? Will that also be hushed up in the investigation, like the Warren report 
after the Kennedy assassination? 

Q: At this point, someone might be asking what you've been smoking. 
What is Israel's interest in such a monstrous plot, which, of course, no one 
believes except Islamist extremists who concocted this piece of disinformation 
in the first place, presumably to detract from the real culprits? 

A: Jews never agreed to Bush 41 (George H.W. Bush, the 41st 
president) or 43 (his son George W. Bush, the 43rd president). They made sure 
Bush senior didn't get a second term. His land-for-peace pressure in Palestine 
didn't suit Israel. They were also against the young Bush because he was 
considered too close to oil interests and the Gulf countries. Bush senior and 
Jim Baker had raised $150 million for Bush junior, much of it from Mideast 
sources or their American go-betweens. Bush 41 and Baker, as private citizens, 
had also facilitated the new strategic relationship between Saudi Arabia and 
Iran. I have this from sources in both countries. So clearly the prospect of a 
Bush 43 was a potential danger to Israel. 

Jews were stunned by the way Bush stole the election in Florida. They 
had put big money on Al Gore.  Israel has given its imperialist guardian parent 
opportunities to turn disaster into a pretext for imposing an all-encompassing 
military, political and  economic agenda to further the cause of global 
capitalism. While Colin Powell is cautious and others are reckless and want to 
make up for their failure to defeat Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War 10 years ago, 
the global agenda is the same. 

Israel knows it has a short shelf-life before it is overwhelmed by 
demographics. It is a state that was born in terrorism that terrorized 
Palestinians into the exile of refugee camps, where they have now subsisted in 
squalid refugee camps, and is now very much afraid of Pakistan's nuclear 
capability. 

Israel has now handed the Bush family the opportunity it has been 
waiting for to consolidate America's imperial grip on the Gulf and acquire 
control of the Caspian basin by extending its military presence in Central Asia. 
Bush conveniently overlooks -- or is not told -- the fact that Islamic 
fundamentalists got their big boost in the modern age as CIA assets in the 
covert campaign I was also involved with to force the Soviets out of 
Afghanistan. Bush senior was vice president during that entire campaign. And no 
sooner did he become president on Jan. 20, 1989, than he summoned an inter-
agency intelligence meeting and issued an order, among several others, to clip 
the wings of ISI (Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence) that had been 
coordinating the entire operation in Afghanistan. I know this firsthand as I was 
DGISI at the time (director general, ISI). 

Q: So how do you read U.S. strategy in Pakistan? 

A: The destabilization of Pakistan is part of the U.S. plan because 
it is a Muslim nuclear state. The U.S. wants to isolate Pakistan from China as 
part of its containment policy. President Nixon's book "The Real War" said China 
would be the superpower of the 21st Century. The U.S. is also creating hostility 
between Pakistan and Afghanistan, two Muslim states to reverse the perception 
that the Islamic world now has its own nuclear weapons. Bush 43 doesn't realize 
he is being manipulated by people who understand geopolitics. He is not leading 
but being led. All he can do is think in terms of the wanted-dead-or-alive 
culture, which is how Hollywood conditions the masses to think and act. 

All summer long we heard about America's shrinking surplus and that 
the Pentagon would not have sufficient funds to modernize for the 21st century. 
And now, all of a sudden, the Pentagon can get what it wants without any 
Democratic Party opposition. How very convenient! Even your cherished civil 
liberties can now be abridged with impunity to protect the expansion of the 
hegemony of transnational capitalism. There is now a new excuse to crush anti-
globalization protests. 

Bush 43 follows Bush 41. Iraq was baited into the Kuwaiti trap when 
the U.S. told Saddam it was not interested in his inter-Arab squabbles. Two days 
later, he moved into Kuwait, which was an Iraqi province anyway before the 
British Empire decreed otherwise. Roosevelt baited the Pearl Harbor trap for the 
Japanese empire, which provided the pretext for entering World War 
II. And now the Israelis have given the U.S. the pretext for further 
expansion into an area that will be critical in the next 25 years - the Caspian 
basin. 

Q: Were you a fundamentalist in the days of the war against the 
Soviets in Afghanistan when you worked closely with the CIA? 

A: Not as much as I am today. 

Q: What turned you against America? 

A: Betrayals and broken promises and what was done to my army career. 

Q: And what was that? 

A: President Ishaq Khan, who succeeded Zia ul-Haq after his plane was 
blown out of the sky, wanted to appoint me chief of staff, the highest position 
in the Pakistani army. The U.S., which by then had clipped ISI's wings, also 
blocked my promotion by informing the president I was unacceptable. So I was 
moved to a corps commander position. As ISI director, I held the whole 
Mujahideen movement in the palm of my hands. We were all pro-American. But then 
America left us in the lurch and everything 
went to pieces, including Afghanistan. 

The U.S. pushed for a broad-based Afghan government of seven factions 
and then waved goodbye. Even in the best of democracies, a broad-based coalition 
does not work. So we quickly had seven jokers in Kabul interested in only one 
thing - jockeying for power. The gunplay quickly followed, which led to the 
creation of Taliban, the students of the original Mujahideen, who decided to put 
an end to it. 

Q: What happened to the 1,000 shoulder-fired Stinger anti-aircraft 
missiles that were supplied by president Reagan in 1986 and 87 to the 
Mujahideen, and that literally grounded the Soviet air force? 

A: After the Soviets pulled out, the CIA allocated $60 million to try 
to buy them back. This just drove the black market price up for one Stinger from 
$100,000 to $300,000. The Taliban still have about 250 of them for the kind of 
situation they face today against U.S. aircraft. 

Q: Is the U.S. now your enemy? 

A: Is the U.S. national interest in contradiction with the Muslim 
world? The U.S. needs oil, as do its European allies. You have between 6 and 8 
million American Muslims and their ranks are growing. About the same number in 
Europe. Israel aside, we are America's natural allies. Prof. Sam Huntington in 
his "Clash of Civilizations" puts Confucius and Judeo-Christians in one 
corner, and us in the other. His prescription is wrong but is being adopted by 
Bush 43 who has now put 60 countries on his hit list. This is the diabolical 
school that wants to launch an anti-Muslim "crusade."  Muslims understood what 
Bush meant when he used that word. 

We need a meeting, not a clash, of civilizations. We are on the brink 
of disaster. It is time to pull back from the brink and reassess before we blow 
ourselves up. The purpose of Islam is service to humanity. The time for like-
minded people to have a meeting of the minds is now. 

Q: But you are against democracy, so how can there be a meeting of 
the minds? 

A: Democracy does not work. Politicians are constantly thinking of 
their next election, not the public good, which means, at best, 
constantly shading the truth to hide it from their constituents. Their 
pronouncements are laced with lies and the voters are lulled or gulled into 
believing utter nonsense. The Koran says call a spade a spade. It is the supreme 
law and tells right from wrong. There is no notion of "my country right or 
wrong" under divine law. The creator's will predominates. All if subservient to 
Allah's will and adherence to a set of basic, fundamental values. 

Q: So what kind of a system are you advocating? 

A: The world needs a post-modern state system. Right now, the 
nation-state and round the clock satellite TV lead people to imitate America's 
way of life. Which is mathematically impossible. You have 4 percent of the 
world's population consuming 32 percent of the world's resources. The creator 
through Prophet Mohammed said equal distribution. Capitalism is the negation of 
the creator's will. It leads to imperialism and unilateralism. 

Q: So what does this post-modern state system look like? 

A: A global village under divine order, or we will have global 
bloodshed until good triumphs over evil. Islam encapsulates all the principal 
religions and what was handed down 1,400 years ago was the normal evolutionary 
sequel to Judaism and Christianity. The prophet's last sermon was a universal 
document of human rights for everyone that surpasses everything that came since, 
including America's declaration of independence and the U.N. Charter of 
universal rights. If you superimpose true secular values on true Islamic values, 
there is no difference. So surely divine law should supersede man-made law. 
Islam is egalitarian, tolerant and progressive. It is the wave of the future. 

Q: Marxism also believed that the nation-state would eventually 
wither away. 

A: Socialism jumped the rails when it was co-opted by the imperialist 
Soviet state. Islam believes in dynamism, Christianity stands for static 
statism. The pope in all his pronouncements has expressed a dogmatic attachment 
to the status quo. Why are so many black Americans converting to Islam? Because 
they are looking for true equality which they cannot find under capitalism. 
Allah has no gender, neither male nor female. Islam has no indirect taxation in 
an interest-free economy. Usury was a Jewish concept. 

Q: Is Iran your model? 

A: There isn't a single true Islamic state in the world today. Iran 
has moved forward from its 1979 revolution, but I am not sure whether it's the 
right direction. 

Q: And Taliban? 

A: They represent Islam in its purest form so far. It's a clean 
sheet. And they were also moving in the right direction when this crisis was 
cooked up by the U.S. Until Sept. 11, they had perfect law and order with no 
formal police force, only traffic cops without sidearms. Now, in less than two 
weeks, they have mobilized some 300,000 volunteers to fight American and British 
invaders if they come. 

Q: And your reaction to U.S. demands on Pakistan? 

A: If Pakistan gives the U.S. base rights we will have a national 
upheaval. And if the U.S. attacks Afghanistan, there will be a call -- a fatwa -
- for a general jihad. All borders will then disappear and it will be a no-
holds-barred Islamic uprising against Israel and American imperialism. Pakistan 
will be engulfed in the firestorm. So I can only hope that cooler heads will 
prevail in Washington. 

Q: What about the other U.S. demands? 

A: Overflight rights are meaningless since the U.S. violates air 
space daily all over the world. As for intelligence sharing with ISI, you can't 
even catch your own terrorists. And what ISI gives you will be of marginal value 
anyway. 

Q: President (Pervez) Musharraf has made strong statements supporting 
the U.S. 

A: He was my student in the army. He is a good man, but he doesn't 
understand Islam. The army will never fight the masses. If push comes to shove, 
Musharraf will say no to the Americans rather than turn against the people. He 
is not just facing a handful of angry people. By his own admission, it's 10 
percent to 15 percent of the population, or at least 10 million people willing 
to fight. For openers, they would close the port of Karachi. A country cannot 
breathe without lungs. 

Q: Back to Osama's terrorist network. Who was behind the bombing of 
the U.S. Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya? 

A: Mossad is strong in both countries. Remember the Israeli operation 
to free hostages in Entebbe (Uganda)? Both Kenya and Tanzania were part of the 
logistical tail. A so-called associate of Osama was framed at Karachi airport. 
The incidents took place on Aug. 8, 1999, and on the 10th a short, clean-shaven 
man disembarks at Karachi airport and presents the passport of a bearded man. 
Not your passport, he was told. He then tries to bribe the clerk with 200 
rupees. A ludicrously small sum given the circumstances. 

The clerk says no and turns him in and he starts singing right away. Not 
plausible. Osama has sworn to me on the Koran it was not him and he is truthful 
to a fault. Pious Muslims do not kill innocent civilians who included many 
Muslim victims. The passport must have been switched while the man was asleep on 
the plane in what has all the earmarks of a Mossad operation. For 10 years, the 
Mujahideen fought the Soviets in Afghanistan and not a single Soviet embassy was 
touched anywhere in the world.  So this could not have been Osama's followers. 

Q: What if bin Laden has been lying to you and is guilty. Is that 
inconceivable? 

A: If Taliban are given irrefutable evidence of his guilt, I am in 
favor of a fair trial. In America, one is entitled to a jury of peers. But he 
has no American peers. The Taliban would not object, in the event of a prima 
face case, to an international Islamic court meeting in The Hague. They would in 
turn extradite Osama to the Netherlands.